In the “Coast to Coast AM” episode, Art Bell hosts James Templar, president of the International Guild of Occult Sciences College and Research Society. The discussion delves into the reality of magic, witchcraft, UFOs, and abductions. Art warns listeners of the unsettling nature of the topics and encourages those who might be disturbed to turn off their radios.
The show opens lines for listener questions. A caller from Oregon inquires about the connection between UFOs, extraterrestrials, and spiritual beings. They ponder if extraterrestrial activities resemble demonic forces, suggesting a potential link between demonic entities and alien sources. James Templar offers his views but admits that much remains unexplained.
Another topic of discussion is the potential of an alien attack on Earth. Templar speculates that such an event could occur within the next ten years, leading to either mass destruction or an armistice. Despite the government’s possession of advanced weapons, the outcome of a potential war with aliens remains uncertain.
The conversation shifts to the suppression of alternative healing methods by the government. A caller from Albuquerque questions the suppression of an argon generator, a device invented by Mr. Reich, who was imprisoned for his unconventional healing methods. Templar explains that such suppression stems from a desire to maintain the status quo and control over lucrative industries like the oil cartel.
A caller disagrees with half of what James Templar says, leading to a debate about destiny and whether great people like Abraham Lincoln or Franklin Roosevelt had a predestined role in history. Templar believes some individuals have specific destinies to fulfill, while others do not, creating a distinction between those with predetermined paths and those without.
The conversation then turns to free will and predestination. A caller questions whether our lives are predetermined or if we merely believe we have free will while actually following a grand plan. Templar suggests that this varies from person to person, with some being more directed in their paths than others.
Another caller from Seattle brings up the topic of astral travel, referring to the book “Out of the Body Journey” by James Monroe. The caller describes Monroe’s premonitory visions, including a dramatic scene of extraterrestrials attacking a city. Templar comments on the commonality of such visions, especially under pressure situations, and discusses how they often come in dreams or conscious states.
A discussion ensues about the connection between UFO aliens and esoteric beings. A caller mentions Aleister Crowley’s work with Enochian beings, a class of angelic beings, drawing parallels between Crowley’s depictions and modern interpretations of extraterrestrial encounters. Templar acknowledges the intermixing of these concepts and the need for further investigation into the relationship between esoteric beings and UFO phenomena.
The dialogue shifts to whether these extraterrestrial forces are from beyond our planet. Templar leans towards the belief that they are external entities, based on his investigations. He shares his experiences with demonic entities, describing them as terrifying and capable of physical attacks, mental manipulation, and inducing insanity. He estimates that 90% of people in mental institutions might be affected by negative energies or entities, exacerbated by behaviors like drug use, alcohol consumption, and promiscuity.
The topic of sexual sorcery is also introduced. Templar explains it as the channeling of sexual energies for materialistic goals, a practice known for centuries, particularly in India.
Finally, a caller inquires if the world government is collaborating with aliens, using mind-altering drugs, supercomputers, and other technologies to shape worldviews. Templar admits there is significant manipulation occurring but is uncertain about the extent of alien involvement or the specific technologies used.
Templar’s background includes 20 years of studying these phenomena, driven by personal experiences with precognition and psychic visions, particularly during sleep. He identifies himself as adept at magic rather than a traditional psychic.
Templar, acknowledging his proficiency in magic, insists that despite his abilities, he cannot influence people outside his sphere, like getting Connie Chung on the show.
Art Bell shares an intriguing anecdote about a listener who seriously claimed that the person on the radio was not the real Art Bell. This story leads into a discussion about the skepticism and debunking surrounding claims of the paranormal, including ghosts, witchcraft, sorcery, and psychic powers. Templar believes that about 30% of what people think are metaphysical happenings are not genuine.
A caller from Tacoma questions why, if the occult is real, no one has claimed the prize offered by skeptic James Randi for proving paranormal abilities. Templar responds that many of these phenomena can’t be tested under Randi’s conditions and suggests that someone is suing Randi for not honoring his prize.
The discussion then turns to the nature of spirits and their reasons for lingering in the physical world. Templar asserts that most spirits he’s communicated with indicate they remain due to violent deaths or unfulfilled destinies. He also touches on the topic of communicating with aliens and differentiates between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ energies, even within the context of Christian entities, contrasting with traditional biblical interpretations.
Templar criticizes Christianity, claiming that Christians have appropriated pagan holidays and rituals. He asserts that the Bible lacks credibility and is derived from Egyptian and pagan sources. This leads to a heated exchange about the historical acts of violence committed in the name of various belief systems, including atheism and Christianity.
A caller challenges Templar on his belief in a creator, prompting a discussion on the nature of the divine. Templar describes the creator as an energy or force rather than a personified deity, emphasizing the limitations of human understanding in comprehending the divine.
The topic then shifts to crop circles and animal mutilations. Templar suggests that crop circles are too complex to be hoaxes and hints at government involvement or extraterrestrial origins. Regarding animal mutilations, he speculates that they might be linked to alien genetic experiments, dismissing the idea of occult involvement in these incidents.
Finally, the conversation touches on the presence of satanic rituals and sacrifices, with Templar criticizing the media’s portrayal of satanism and contrasting it with the misconduct of some religious figures. He argues that while these negative practices exist, they are overblown by the media and should be prosecuted when illegal activities are involved.
Templar criticizes Christian practices, particularly the symbolic ritual of eating and drinking blood in Catholic ceremonies, and contrasts it with how similar rituals would be perceived if conducted in an occult context. He argues that Christianity, in its historical practices, has appropriated various elements from paganism.
A caller inquires about Templar’s society, leading to a discussion about the organization he represents. Templar offers to provide free information to interested parties through an 800 number and shares his experiences with magic, particularly during his time in India. He recounts a personal anecdote of a man who believed he had been cursed to death, dying exactly as he had predicted, with no apparent cause.
The conversation then shifts to the possibility of using psychic power to harm individuals like Saddam Hussein. Templar acknowledges the theoretical possibility but notes the limitations due to the “sphere of influence” and the role of spirit guides in preventing such actions.
A caller from Tucson asks about the existence of good and bad aliens. Templar confirms that both exist, but notes that the good aliens seem indifferent to human affairs, adhering to a non-interference policy similar to the ‘Star Trek’ philosophy. He speculates that they might intervene in extreme situations to aid humanity.
A caller, identifying as a Christian, challenges Templar’s beliefs, suggesting that if Templar’s views are accurate, then Jesus’ sacrifice and the Bible are meaningless. Templar responds skeptically, doubting the historical existence of Jesus and questioning the authenticity of the Bible.
The conversation shifts to the topic of familiar spirits, with the caller accusing Templar of being deceived by spirits that imitate deceased people. Templar dismisses the possibility of being deceived in this way and maintains a critical stance towards Christianity.
Another caller inquires about Templar’s views on the author Carlos Castaneda and his books. Templar praises Castaneda, highlighting his insights into Mexican magical traditions and shamanism. This leads to a broader discussion about the nature of shamanism and its significance.
A caller from Barstow, California, shares an experience of dreaming about an earthquake that later occurred, raising questions about the predictive nature of dreams. Templar responds by emphasizing the importance of discerning real insights from dreams, suggesting that most dreams are merely the mind releasing tension.
Another caller inquires about the reality of monsters and demonic forces. Templar acknowledges the existence of demonic forces but notes that their physical manifestation and harm to people are rare occurrences.
The conversation then shifts to the topic of alien contact. A caller from Seattle asks how aliens might announce their presence to the human race. Templar believes that aliens are already in contact with governments and predicts that the general public will eventually be informed about extraterrestrial presence due to some major event.
A caller from Salt Lake City questions the relationship between Templar’s studies and martial arts, and also asks about premonitions. Templar suggests that people who act on their intuition or premonitions are often more successful in life, indicating a belief in the practical benefits of cultivating such abilities.
Templar discusses how successful individuals often rely on a “gut feeling” or intuition to make decisions, suggesting that these psychic tools can be crucial in life. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing and acting on these intuitive signals, whether they indicate positive opportunities or warn of potential dangers.
A caller questions the biblical depiction of a war in heaven, relating it to the concept of extraterrestrial beings or bad aliens. Templar acknowledges some validity in these biblical stories, suggesting they might have been influenced by pagan traditions that also depict similar cosmic battles.
The discussion then turns to the controversial figure of Aleister Crowley. A law enforcement caller remarks on the extreme and sadistic nature of Crowley’s practices, leading Templar to express his disapproval of Crowley’s methods and ideologies.
Lastly, Templar is asked about the authority he uses when dealing with supernatural entities or helping others with possessions. He explains that different traditions use various forms of energy or god forms to combat negative influences, indicating a diverse approach to dealing with such forces.
A caller shares a personal experience of being sexually attacked by an entity, describing it as demonic in nature. James Templar suggests that such attacks, while demonic, may be intertwined with alien activities, though they are distinct from the more common ‘gray’ alien abductions. He emphasizes the importance of standing up to these entities, asserting that both demonic beings and ‘grays’ tend to retreat in the face of resistance.
Another topic raised is the phenomenon of sexual attacks by supernatural entities, as depicted in the movie “The Entity.” Templar confirms that such incidents are not isolated and can often be resolved with the right knowledge.
The conversation also touches upon the definitions of witches and warlocks. Templar clarifies that the term “witch” is often misunderstood, associating it with the Wiccan tradition, which is a pagan religion with magical practices. He distances himself from the term “warlock,” noting its negative connotations, and instead describes his practice as using various magical techniques without adhering to a specific label.
A caller from Ogden, Utah, agrees with Templar’s viewpoints and discusses the impact of cultural chauvinism, highlighting the imposition of European and Anglo perspectives on people of color worldwide. She stresses the importance of understanding the history and religions of different cultures. Templar agrees, emphasizing the need for alternative solutions to address pressing global issues like racism, sexism, and class elitism.
The conversation then turns to the role of magic and sorcery in potentially saving the world. Templar believes that combining the best elements of various practices, including magic, could help address the significant challenges facing humanity. He identifies himself as an ecologist, deeply concerned about the planet’s ecological crisis.
A Christian caller from Las Vegas questions Templar’s views on historical religious persecution. Templar responds by discussing the religious war in Yugoslavia, where Christians are accused of massacring Muslims, to illustrate that conflicts often arise due to religious differences. He asserts that no religion, including paganism, has been perfect and advocates for finding what works individually without harming others.
Another caller raises scientific topics discussed earlier in the show, such as helmets protecting against telepathic impulses and argon guns interfering with UFOs. The caller references the book “The Montauk Project” by Preston B. Nichols, which Templar admits he is not familiar with but acknowledges that it covers similar topics.
Templar talks about the historical unity of science and the occult, where scholars practiced both disciplines. He suggests that many effective techniques and knowledge from the past have been lost and need to be rediscovered or re-integrated into modern practices.
A caller questions Templar about the axis shift theory and its potential relation to the increased occurrence of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. Templar expresses uncertainty about the axis shift theory but acknowledges the unusual patterns in weather and geological activity. He speculates that these could be either natural planetary evolutions or influenced by alien activities.
Another caller brings up the skeptic James Randi and his challenge to prove paranormal claims. Templar responds critically to Randi’s approach, emphasizing that proving these phenomena is not as important as exploring and understanding them. He also addresses a question about his living, explaining that he runs a nonprofit organization and that his income supports his research and teaching in the field.
A caller questions the authenticity of popular psychic mediums like Sylvia Browne and George Anderson. Templar expresses skepticism towards channels and mediums in general, doubting the validity of the information they provide.
Another caller brings up the topic of whether the government is influenced by satanic or occult practices. Templar doesn’t believe the government is inherently satanic but suggests there might be a ruling group influencing major decisions, though not necessarily linked to any particular religious belief.
The conversation then shifts to the idea of humanity being a genetic experiment by aliens. Templar agrees with the notion, citing similarities between ancient Egyptians and the ‘gray’ aliens, and suggests that humans are seen as a lower life form by extraterrestrial entities.
A caller from Anchorage, Alaska, asks about the potential termination of this alien experiment with humanity, especially considering upcoming global changes. Templar mentions an uncertain event expected in about ten years but doesn’t elaborate on the specifics.
A caller from Chula Vista asks about Ouija boards and their use as a medium. Templar advises against using Ouija boards, explaining that they often attract low-level spirits that may not have good intentions. He suggests that there are more reliable divination systems for those interested in fortune-telling.
Another caller shares a dream involving a black dog and expresses confusion about the boundary between dreams and reality. Templar doesn’t directly address this dream but generally speaks about the nature of dreams, suggesting that they can be deceptive and should be approached cautiously.
A caller from Washington shares her experience of a recurring dream involving a black dog and inquires about the significance of such dreams. Templar advises her to record these dreams and analyze their recurrence for potential messages or warnings.
The discussion then shifts to the potential for dreams and imagination to create realities. Templar agrees that the mind can create entities or experiences, drawing from Carl Jung’s concept of the collective unconscious.
Another caller from New Mexico asks Templar about his experience with UFOs and the price of his protective equipment. Templar doesn’t disclose specific prices but encourages the caller to contact his organization for more information.
A caller questions whether people can read minds and influence others’ thoughts. Templar confirms that this is possible and is often practiced in occultism, but warns that using these abilities for negative or egotistical purposes is generally frowned upon in the occult community. He also comments on the pervasive influence of media and advertising on people’s thoughts.
A caller from Washington shares her belief that closer contact with nature enhances perceptiveness and intuition. Templar agrees, emphasizing the importance of overcoming religious divisions to focus on solving global problems. He aligns with the idea that nature can teach us much and advocates for a practical approach to address these issues.
A caller from Las Vegas presents a view that organized religion, including the Bible, acts like a shackle in life. Templar, while not directly agreeing with this statement, continues to discuss the role of religion and its impact on individual freedom and thought.
The conversation then shifts to Ouija boards, with a caller asking for Templar’s opinion on their use. Templar advises against using Ouija boards, warning that they often attract lower-level spirits and are unreliable for genuine spiritual communication.
Another caller from Redlands inquires about meeting Templar and discusses his background in hypnotherapy and past life regression. Templar invites the caller to contact his organization for further interaction.
A question arises about the possibility of the Antichrist being an alien entity, reflecting on the increase in UFO sightings and abductions in recent years. Templar admits uncertainty about the nature of these entities but acknowledges the significant rise in paranormal activities.
The segment also covers the potential of magic, sorcery, and witchcraft to address contemporary issues like violent crime and drug abuse. Templar suggests that empowering individuals through psychic techniques and self-awareness could reduce dependence on external authorities and alleviate societal problems.
A caller from Medford, Oregon, inquires about how to determine if one has been abducted by aliens. He shares a personal experience from his youth that led him to suspect he might have been abducted. Templar suggests that regressive hypnosis can be used to uncover hidden memories of such events, as the protective elements of the mind often prevent these memories from reaching conscious awareness.
Templar and Bell then discuss why experiences retrieved through regressive hypnosis are not widely accepted as proof in the scientific community. Templar notes that the non-repeatability of such experiences often leads to skepticism from the scientific perspective.
Another caller questions the existence of Satan and the nature of the spirit world. Templar explains that while there are demonic entities and negative forces, the concept of Satan is specific to Christianity. He emphasizes that the spirit world is not a new concept and has been part of various belief systems for thousands of years.
A caller questions the credibility of Ouija boards, sharing an anecdote about army personnel who reportedly received accurate predictions through the board. Templar acknowledges that while some individuals may have natural abilities to channel interesting information, he generally views Ouija boards as unreliable and recommends more scientific divination methods.
The conversation shifts to a debate over the Christian calendar and the documentation of Christ’s existence. A caller challenges Templar’s views on Christianity, asserting that historical documents and the Encyclopedia Britannica support the life and crucifixion of Christ. Templar responds by expressing skepticism about the accuracy and objectivity of these sources, emphasizing that religious beliefs, including Christianity and paganism, are based on faith rather than scientific proof.
Another caller accuses Templar of misleading people and leading them down a path to hell. Templar dismisses these concerns, stating he aims to provide information and technology for positive change, regardless of religious affiliation. He emphasizes the importance of not imposing beliefs on others and focusing on doing good.
A caller inquires about chakras and their significance in occult studies. Templar confirms that understanding chakras is a common element in esoteric knowledge. Another caller asks about the effectiveness of herbs in healing, and Templar acknowledges their proven benefits, noting that many modern medicines originate from herbal sources.
The conversation then shifts to the concept of astral projection. While Templar admits he’s unsure about the reality of astral projection, he agrees that there’s a general belief that after death, the soul goes to an astral plane where it learns and influences others.
A caller from San Diego asks about reincarnation. Templar discusses the concept, suggesting that reincarnation is supported by cases of people recalling past lives under hypnosis. He explains the theory that souls reincarnate to learn lessons they failed to grasp in previous lives.
Another topic raised is the influence of one’s gaze on others, with a caller mentioning that looking at someone directly in the back of the head seems to elicit a response. Templar doesn’t offer a specific explanation but acknowledges the possibility of subconscious communication or psychic influence.
A caller shares an observation about the subconscious reaction of people when someone looks at the back of their head, suggesting a form of psychic communication. Templar agrees, pointing out the widespread recognition of basic psychic phenomena in society. He comments on the potential influence of psychic energy in business success, using Michael Milken as an example.
The conversation then shifts to the role of psychic power in shaping the world. Templar asserts that investigating psychic phenomena can provide insights into their effects on society. He acknowledges the possibility that the world may be influenced by people with psychic abilities.
A critical caller challenges Templar’s amalgamation of various phenomena into a single belief system and accuses him of doing an injustice to Christianity. The caller argues that Templar fails to differentiate between political movements and religious faith. In response, Templar maintains that belief systems, including Christianity, are subjective and should not be imposed on others.
The topic of reincarnation arises, with Templar expressing belief in its veracity based on past-life regressions and hypnosis. He suggests that souls reincarnate to learn lessons they failed to grasp in previous lives.
A caller praises Art Bell and James Templar for handling the show well, particularly against critical callers. He then inquires about aliens meddling with satellites or equipment in space. Templar acknowledges that there have been unexplained incidents in outer space, suggesting possible alien involvement.
The discussion shifts to a caller questioning the Christian faith’s response to UFO phenomena. Templar and the caller agree that if the government were to confirm the existence of extraterrestrial life, it could cause widespread panic and societal upheaval.
Another caller from the Sierra Nevadas in Northern California brings up cult-related crimes, including animal mutilations and murders. Templar clarifies that he does not defend such actions and emphasizes that anyone committing crimes should be legally prosecuted. He also discusses the misconception that negative practices like sacrifices can grant power, noting that any power gained from such acts would likely have detrimental consequences.
A born-again Christian caller from Palm Springs shares her experience of feeling oppressed in a cult and finding freedom in Christianity. She observes that people involved in witchcraft disliked being around her after she became a Christian. Templar is asked to comment on this observation, continuing the theme of the show where different belief systems and their interactions with each other are examined.
A caller commends Templar for holding his own against critical callers and inquires about aliens interfering with space equipment. Templar acknowledges strange occurrences in outer space, suggesting potential alien involvement but remains uncertain about the specifics.
The conversation turns to the nature of belief systems. Templar comments on the tendency of some people to use religion as a crutch, drawing parallels between people who blindly follow religious doctrines and those who might be easily influenced by occult groups. He emphasizes the importance of personal investigation and critical thinking in spiritual matters.
The discussion also touches on Edgar Cayce’s phenomenon. Templar views Cayce’s healing techniques and channeled information positively, noting their effectiveness and alignment with good intentions.
A caller from Reno shares her thoughts on the concept of the Rapture and its relation to increased demonic activity and government involvement in UFO phenomena. Templar does not explicitly endorse these views but acknowledges the heightened activity in paranormal and extraterrestrial areas.
A caller commends Templar for handling criticism well and asks about aliens tampering with satellites or other space equipment. Templar acknowledges unexplained incidents in outer space, suggesting that aliens may have tested these devices.
The discussion shifts to a debate about hypocrisy in belief systems. A caller accuses Templar of being hypocritical for not acknowledging the negative aspects of occult practices while criticizing Christianity. Templar responds by emphasizing that all belief systems, including pagan and Christian, have problematic elements. He encourages not persecuting others for their beliefs and focusing on positivity.
Another caller from Seattle shares a personal experience involving a spiritual entity advising him to leave a troubled marriage and predicting future events, including the birth of a daughter. Templar cautions against blindly following voices or messages from unknown entities, advising individuals to analyze such information critically. He suggests that the caller might have been tapping into his own psychic feelings or a guardian spirit.
A caller from Seattle shares a troubling experience involving hallucinations of a demonic figure while using LSD. He recalls seeing red eyes and a frightening face, which he initially attributed to the drug’s effects. However, he later learned that someone else had seen the same figure without the influence of drugs. Templar emphasizes the risks associated with drug use, especially when mixing drugs with spiritual practices.
The conversation then shifts to the use of hallucinogenic substances in shamanic traditions. Templar explains that shamans use natural plants, not synthetic chemicals like LSD, to enter altered states of consciousness. These states allow them to communicate with the spirit or essence of the plant. He underscores the disciplined approach of shamans and cautions against casual drug use for spiritual exploration.
A subsequent caller suggests giving equal time to a Christian perspective on the topics discussed. Art Bell agrees with the idea, highlighting the show’s openness to diverse viewpoints.
A caller from Seattle inquires about the effects of drugs like LSD on spiritual experiences. Templar strongly advises against using drugs for spiritual exploration, highlighting the dangers of mixing hallucinogenic substances with spiritual practices. He emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between drug-induced hallucinations and genuine spiritual experiences.
The conversation shifts to reincarnation. A caller asks if humans can reincarnate as animals or what happens to spirits if all life on Earth ceases. Templar shares his belief that once a spirit reaches human form, it generally reincarnates as a human. He suggests that the goal of reincarnation is to learn and eventually reach a state where reincarnation is no longer necessary, allowing spirits to remain as guides in the astral plane.
Another caller expresses concern about societal apathy and the need for proactive efforts to address global issues. Templar agrees, advocating for practical tools and education to empower individuals to enact positive change. He encourages people from all belief systems to actively participate in making a difference.
A caller inquires about the nature of the afterlife and the process of reincarnation. Templar explains that individuals choose their reincarnation path based on lessons they need to learn. He also discusses the concept of a “dumping ground” for souls that commit atrocities and do not learn, eventually being destroyed.
Another caller brings up the topic of running into unwanted people frequently. Templar suggests this could be due to a “cross condition,” where negative energy attracts certain people. He advises the caller to cleanse themselves of this energy to change the pattern.
The conversation shifts to discussing Christian beliefs and actions. A caller emphasizes the positive work many Christians do, such as feeding the hungry and helping people overcome drug addiction. Templar acknowledges the good in various belief systems but stresses the importance of not imposing beliefs on others.
A question is raised about whether the Bible has been edited for control purposes. Templar suggests there may have been significant alterations and forgeries throughout history, making it difficult to determine the original content and intent of the text.
A caller from Northern California shares a touching story about her dog. She recalls how Art Bell and other callers had previously suggested she get another dog after her first one was poisoned. Following their advice, she had a dream about a puppy, which led her to find and adopt a new dog of the same breed. Interestingly, the new dog exhibited similar behaviors to the first one. The caller also mentions that the new dog was poisoned too, but a different vet, related to those behind the incident, saved her.
The show wraps up with Bell thanking Templar for participating in the program, despite their disagreements on many topics. Templar shares his organization’s 800 number for listeners interested in learning more about his work in the field of occult sciences. Bell expresses appreciation for Templar’s willingness to engage in the discussions and mentions the possibility of having him on the show again.