In this episode of the “Coast To Coast AM” show, Art interviews Al Bielek, who discusses his background as an electronics engineer and his involvement in the Philadelphia Experiment. Bielek elaborates on the experiment’s early history, tracing back to 1931 when Nikola Tesla, Dr. John Hutchinson, and others at the University of Chicago first considered making an object invisible. He describes Tesla’s active later years, contrary to the common belief of him being a recluse. The conversation moves to the University of Chicago’s feasibility study on invisibility, which later shifted to the Institute of Advanced Study at Princeton. This institute, initially staffed by notable figures like Albert Einstein, played a crucial role in the invisibility research. Bielek then touches upon Tesla’s lesser-known roles, including his work with the RCA Corporation and his contributions to invisibility research, which involved high-energy electromagnetic fields. He details a successful test in 1940 at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, where they made a ship invisible without any personnel on board. This success led to the project’s classification and increased interest from the Navy and President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Bielek reveals a discrepancy between his birth certificate and his actual birth date, explaining that he was born in 1916, not 1927. He talks about his father, Alexander Duncan Cameron Jr., a Navy man with a complex personal life, and his brother, Duncan Cameron, born from a different mother. Bielek and his brother, both educated in physics, joined the Navy in September 1939, where they were quickly assigned to the Institute for Advanced Study and brought up to speed on Project Invisibility, later known as the Philadelphia Experiment.
Bielek describes the progression of the project, which was eventually moved to the Philadelphia Navy Yard for its classified aspects while still continuing at the Princeton Institute. He mentions a significant test in September 1940, where a larger ship was made invisible, demonstrating the project’s potential. Bielek also shares insights into Tesla’s work during his so-called reclusive years, including the development of a trouble-free power source and a particle beam weapon system. Despite Tesla’s groundbreaking inventions, much of his documentation was lost or suppressed in the U.S. after his death.
Al Bielek continues discussing the development of advanced technologies, focusing on Nikola Tesla’s work, including his particle beam weapon system. Tesla, having developed this system by 1935, offered it to various countries, with Russia eventually buying a model and a year of consultancy from Tesla. Bielek highlights the distinction between the power and voltage requirements for particle beam weapons, noting that while high voltage is needed, the power requirement is relatively low.
Bielek then shifts to Tesla’s work on a death ray system, tested at White Sands Proving Ground in the late 1930s. He notes that much of Tesla’s work and documentation were seized or lost, particularly after his departure from RCA. Bielek also recounts his and his brother’s Navy service during World War II, including a prediction of the attack on Pearl Harbor, which led to them staying in San Francisco instead of returning to Pearl Harbor.
The discussion moves back to the Philadelphia Experiment, with preparations underway for testing on a battleship. However, Tesla expressed concerns about the potential harm to sailors due to the high electromagnetic power required.
Al Bielek explains that while magnetic fields typically have little impact on flesh and blood, certain critical window frequencies can directly affect the brain. These frequencies are in the low range, typically below 30 hertz, and can have neurological effects. Bielek also discusses the effects of high-frequency electric fields (RF fields), such as those used in microwave ovens, which can cook human tissue at high enough frequencies. He mentions that the old U.S. standard considered 110 milliwatts per square inch as the threshold for tissue heating, but this didn’t account for biological effects of weaker fields over the long term.
The conversation then shifts to the aftermath of the Philadelphia Experiment, suggesting that much of the modern data on electromagnetic field effects on the human body results from studies conducted following the experiment. Bielek specifies brain cavity resonances and mentions the frequency ranges of cellular phones, suggesting potential implications for people using them.
Bielek mentions Tesla’s concerns about the high electromagnetic power required for the experiment and its potential harm to navy personnel. Tesla, seeking more time to resolve these issues, was denied due to the urgency imposed by the war. When the first test on a large ship was conducted, Tesla deliberately sabotaged it by tuning the equipment off-frequency to avoid harm, marking his first failure in a project and leading to his departure from the experiment. Tesla died in January 1943.
Dr. John Von Neumann then took over the project, opting for a pulse system over Tesla’s analog approach. The new design involved rotating magnetic fields and upped the power output to two megawatts per RF transmitter. Bielek notes the involvement of G. Townsend Brown, an RF expert, in the redesign. Brown was initially brought into the navy to work on countering German magnetic mines but contributed significantly to the Philadelphia Experiment’s final design.
Al Bielek explains that the ship was specifically designed to accommodate the heavy equipment necessary for the experiment, including large Tesla coils and an eight-megawatt generator, separate from the ship’s power supply.
Bielek describes the layout and function of the equipment: a special mast amidships producing a rotating electric field, four large conical Tesla coils generating a rotating magnetic field, and the intricate phasing and synchronization of these fields. The goal was to create overlapping rotating fields at different rates, with both fields mathematically tied to the fundamental number pi over two.
He also discusses the challenges faced during the experiment, including the failure of an initial test on a battleship and the subsequent redesign for the Eldridge. The ship underwent extensive outfitting with electronic equipment and was not fully tested until it was out in the harbor. A special volunteer test crew was assembled for the experiment, consisting of 15 sailors and six officers, including Bielek and his brother Duncan, who were responsible for operating the equipment.
Bielek touches on the concerns about the potential effects of the fields on personnel, leading to the addition of a third generator to produce a counter field for protection. However, this counter field was never successfully synchronized with the other two and was ultimately abandoned.
Al Bielek discusses the initial tests of the Philadelphia Experiment in July 1943 on the USS Eldridge. He explains that the equipment onboard, including the Tesla coils and generators, was manually operated due to the absence of computers at the time. The aim was to render the ship invisible both optically and to radar, which was considered an extension of optical technology due to its electromagnetic frequency range.
Bielek describes the first test held on July 22, 1943, in the Philadelphia Harbor, with an observer ship monitoring the process. The USS Eldridge became invisible to the naked eye and radar, disappearing slowly rather than instantly. The ship also seemed to take some seawater with it, creating a large waterline around the vessel, which made it appear as if floating in air. This observation raised concerns from Captain Harrison, who feared the ship might break apart due to the lack of water support, leading him to terminate the test after 20 minutes.
Bielek also mentions the presence of a heavy haze around the ship, identified as ozone gas, generated by the electromagnetic fields. He clarifies that the invisibility effect was external, as everything appeared normal to those on the ship.
Al Bielek discusses the ongoing development and challenges of the Philadelphia Experiment. He describes the USS Eldridge’s test on July 22, 1943, where the ship became invisible to both the eye and radar. This invisibility was accompanied by a toroidal field that created a unique resistance effect, preventing physical contact with the ship. After the test, the sailors on deck were disoriented and nauseous, leading to concerns about the impact on personnel.
Bielek mentions a second test crew was prepared, trained at the Coast Guard Academy under the supervision of his father. However, the Navy imposed a deadline for the next test on August 12, 1943, which puzzled Bielek and his team, as it seemed unrelated to the project’s engineering aspects. He also expresses greater concern about the second test, mainly due to Captain Harrison’s decision to increase the power for the next trial, which could potentially amplify the earlier observed effects.
Al Bielek discusses further preparations and modifications made to the USS Eldridge for the Philadelphia Experiment. After the initial test, Captain Harrison ordered additional tests and modifications, including the installation of pressure-reading equipment on the hull of the Eldridge. This was part of an effort to better understand and manage the effects observed during the first test, such as the ship’s disappearance and the generation of a toroidal field.
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Al Bielek discusses the preparations and aftermath of the second experiment of the Philadelphia Experiment conducted on August 12, 1943. Prior to this test, Captain Harrison ordered additional modifications to the USS Eldridge, including installing pressure-reading equipment on the hull and assigning a submarine to monitor the waterline during the experiment.
On the day of the test, a change was made at the last minute, replacing the special crew with the regular crew, which raised concerns for Bielek and his team. Despite these apprehensions, they proceeded with the test, relaxing the requirement for optical invisibility to maintain some level of radar visibility, important for naval navigation in those days.
The experiment initially seemed to be functioning correctly, with the ship remaining partially visible. However, about 70 seconds into the test, a blue flash occurred, and the USS Eldridge disappeared completely from the harbor, physically vanishing for approximately four hours. This unexpected outcome caused panic among the observers and experimenters, as there was no way to communicate with the ship during its disappearance. When the ship eventually reappeared, it was met with great alarm and confusion.
Al Bielek details the dramatic and mysterious events of the second test of the Philadelphia Experiment on August 12, 1943. After the USS Eldridge reappeared following its disappearance, it was observed that part of its special antenna mast was missing, and there was some superficial damage to the back of the ship. Upon boarding the Eldridge, the crew discovered two men embedded in the steel deck and another with his hand embedded in a steel bulkhead, leading to amputations and severe disorientation among the crew.
The Navy then attempted a third test in late October, controlling the Eldridge remotely via a long cable. The test resulted in the ship’s equipment becoming a smoking ruin, and some of it was even missing after the ship reappeared. Following this failure, the Navy abandoned the project, and the Eldridge later served in national service during World War II. The ship was eventually turned over to the Greek Navy and renamed the Leon.
Bielek recounts his personal experience during the second test, describing strange phenomena in the control room, including unexpected electrical arcing and the inability to shut down the equipment. He and another crew member, Duncan, decided to jump overboard, only to find themselves falling through what seemed like a tunnel with flashing lights, ultimately landing on dry land at a military base. They were immediately detained and taken underground, where they met Dr. John Von Neumann, who told them he had been expecting them.
After jumping off the ship, Bielek and his companion, Duncan, found themselves in 1983 at Montauk, Long Island, part of the Phoenix Project, where they were greeted by Dr. John Von Neumann.
Von Neumann informed them that they had traveled 40 years into the future. Bielek describes their astonishment upon witnessing advanced technology such as computers, graphic displays, large screen color TVs, and discussions about moon landings and the Cold War—technologies and events that were inconceivable in 1943.
After being sent back in time from 1983 to the deck of the USS Eldridge, Bielek and Duncan were instructed to destroy the equipment causing the hyperspace bubble. They successfully disabled the machinery, which led to the ship reappearing in the harbor.
Bielek describes a tragic scene upon their return, including crew members partially embedded in the ship’s structure. One of these was Bielek’s younger brother, who died in the bulkhead. Following this, Duncan, overwhelmed by the situation, jumped overboard and disappeared, believed to have traveled to 1983.
Bielek reported his experiences to the project leaders, who were skeptical. Dr. John Von Neumann, not convinced, created a smaller, functional time machine to test Bielek’s story. Bielek was sent back to 1983 again to gather proof, which he successfully brought back, convincing Von Neumann of the authenticity of his experience.
The interview then touches on the continuation and evolution of the invisibility technology. Bielek suggests that the technology developed during the Philadelphia Experiment was not abandoned but continued and evolved, contributing to advancements in stealth aircraft and other military applications.
He describes how he and Duncan were sent back to the USS Eldridge from 1983 by the Phoenix Project, which claimed to have control over space and time. Upon their return, they were tasked with destroying the equipment that created the hyperspace bubble.
Bielek narrates the chaotic scene on the Eldridge after their return. The destruction of the equipment took around six hours, during which they observed horrifying anomalies, such as crew members partially merged with the ship’s structure. Bielek’s younger brother, who had joined the Navy and was part of the special task crew, tragically died partially embedded in the bulkhead. Duncan, overwhelmed by the sight, jumped overboard and disappeared, presumably returning to 1983.
Bielek then describes the continuation and advancement of the invisibility technology developed during the Philadelphia Experiment. He suggests that this technology was not abandoned but was instead further developed and used in modern military applications, including stealth aircraft like the B-1 and B-2 bombers.
The interview then transitions to audience participation, with a caller asking for a layman’s explanation of how the invisibility technology works. Bielek explains it as a special combination of electric and magnetic fields that interact with the gravity field, effectively phasing the object out of the current time reference. This interaction makes the object invisible, as it no longer reflects light or radar.
Al Bielek continues to discuss the implications of the Philadelphia Experiment and the technology it involved. He describes how the ship was initially enveloped in a field that made it appear invisible to radar and visual frequencies. However, later in the experiment, there was an unintended shift in space and time.
A caller from Little Rock, California, expresses skepticism about the story and the existence of such advanced technology. Bielek acknowledges that skepticism is common among those unfamiliar with the Philadelphia Experiment’s history. He suggests that the technology has been controlled by a secret government interested in establishing a new world order. He implies that this group manipulates the technology for their own ends, including altering the present by looking into the future.
Bielek also mentions a book titled “The Philadelphia Experiment and Other UFO Conspiracies” by Brad Steiger, which discusses these topics in more detail. Another caller inquires about Dr. John Von Neumann’s fate and the potential of the technology being used as a weapon. Bielek confirms that Von Neumann did not die when public records state he did and discusses the sharing of invisibility technology with other nations.
Al Bielek delves into the theoretical aspects of the Philadelphia Experiment and its aftermath. He discusses the complexities of quantum mechanics and quantum physics in relation to time travel and altering events. Bielek responds to a caller’s skepticism about the feasibility of such technology, acknowledging the difficulty in proving these extraordinary claims due to the secretive nature of the government’s involvement.
He also addresses a question about his potential relation to Dr. Cameron in Canada, involved in mind control experiments with the CIA, clarifying that they are not related. Another caller inquires about Duncan Cameron’s involvement in the Montauk Project, which Bielek confirms, detailing the controversial and metaphysical aspects of these experiments.
Bielek further explains the limitations of altering events in time, referencing an experiment from 1973 where an attempt was made to assassinate the father of a future leader to prevent his birth. The outcome demonstrated that such interventions only create temporary disturbances in the timeline but do not fundamentally alter the future.
Al Bielek explores the idea that changing one event in the past does not necessarily alter the entire timeline. This concept is exemplified by an experiment in which an assassination attempt in the past failed to erase the existence of a future individual.
Bielek addresses a caller’s question about the inevitability of a one-world government. He suggests that while certain groups, like a secret government, are trying to make this outcome inevitable by altering the present based on future knowledge, it is not set in stone and can be changed. He mentions “Project Looking Glass,” a project purportedly capable of viewing the future.
Another caller from Alaska affirms his belief in Bielek’s account of the Philadelphia Experiment, citing global financial control as evidence. A caller from Medford, Oregon, questions the lack of forewarning about the Pearl Harbor attack if such advanced knowledge was available, to which Bielek responds by suggesting that the attack was a setup by President Roosevelt to enter World War II.
Al Bielek addresses various aspects related to the Philadelphia Experiment and its implications. He confronts skepticism from scientists like Stanton Friedman and Bruce Maccabee, suggesting they are part of a government disinformation team. Bielek argues that the government’s denial of the experiment is contradicted by laws making it a felony to discuss it on a naval base.
Bielek discusses the protection of certain individuals involved in the experiment under a federal witness protection program. He mentions Dr. John Von Neumann, who supposedly continued to live under a new identity due to his involvement with the Montauk Project and other classified activities.
He also touches on the story of Dr. Frederick Crippen, brought to the U.S. under Project Paperclip, and the government’s manipulation of his public death for secrecy. Bielek then addresses a caller’s question about modeling the experiment’s technology, explaining the high mathematical complexity involved.
Al Bielek discusses further details related to the Philadelphia Experiment and its aftermath. He addresses the government’s denial of the experiment, suggesting that the existence of laws making it a felony to discuss the experiment on a naval base indicates its reality. Bielek also talks about Dr. John Von Neumann’s involvement in the Montauk Project and the government’s efforts to maintain his anonymity and protect his identity.
A caller from Oregon questions why advance knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack did not lead to a prepared defense. Bielek suggests that President Roosevelt orchestrated the attack to justify U.S. entry into World War II. He then addresses a variety of other topics, including the credibility of his story and the possibility of time travel altering major historical events, such as the assassination of President Kennedy.
Al Bielek continues to discuss the complexities of time travel and the Philadelphia Experiment. He addresses a question about why the government would have the power to pull certain individuals out of harm’s way, such as before the attack on Pearl Harbor, while others were not warned. Bielek suggests that the lack of broader forewarning was due to President Roosevelt’s desire to enter World War II.
A caller inquires about the possibility of detecting time travel in progress. Bielek admits he’s unsure if there’s a way to detect such activities, though he theorizes that the presence of a time field might be identifiable.
Another caller questions the continued use of magnetic fields in modern time machines. Bielek responds that while he can’t speak to current technology, the original experiment with the USS Eldridge would have been detectable with today’s equipment due to the immense power output.
The discussion then shifts to electromagnetic theory, with a caller asking about the fundamental equations governing classical electromagnetism. Bielek acknowledges Maxwell’s equations but suggests that much of what is taught in universities about electromagnetic theory is not entirely accurate. He argues that time travel, according to his understanding, does not require a large mass like a black hole but rather involves manipulating electric, gravity, and magnetic fields.
A caller inquires whether the government could send someone into the future to gather information and what aliens might think of humans having such capabilities. Bielek confirms this possibility and explains that aliens were part of the Montauk Project, assisting with the technology.
Another caller asks about the 1938-1939 death ray tests conducted in White Sands, New Mexico. Bielek describes these tests, involving a large laser-like device designed by Nikola Tesla that could disintegrate objects, including an entire mountaintop. He expresses skepticism about the equipment and notes being destroyed following the tests.
Further questions are raised about the nature of magnetism and electromagnetic waves, with Bielek challenging some conventional teachings in physics. He asserts that the magnetic component of electromagnetic waves propagates at a different rate than the electric field, contrary to popular belief.
A caller from San Francisco Bay Area asks if electromagnetic disturbances in the Bermuda Triangle are related to the Philadelphia Experiment. Bielek denies any connection between the two.
Al Bielek addresses questions from callers about the potential for government time travel and the involvement of aliens in the Montauk Project. Bielek confirms that aliens assisted in the project and that the technology used was a combination of extraterrestrial and human innovations.
A caller from San Jose asks about the Bermuda Triangle, and Bielek suggests that its anomalies are part of a natural global grid of twelve primary areas with similar phenomena, including an active zone over the Japan Sea.
Further questions involve the nature of electromagnetic fields and waves. Bielek challenges conventional physics, stating that the magnetic component of electromagnetic waves propagates at a different rate than the electric component. He criticizes the current teaching in universities, arguing that much of the electromagnetic theory taught is incorrect.
A caller from California inquires about the manipulation of time and space, likening it to an accordion. Bielek explains that time and space do not fold like an accordion under normal circumstances but can be manipulated in certain ways, as allegedly done in advanced propulsion systems used in extraterrestrial spacecraft.
Al Bielek discusses the potential effects of large-scale nuclear explosions on time-space disturbances. He confirms that a large hydrogen bomb explosion could indeed create a significant disturbance in time and space, as tested and measured throughout the 1950s.
Bielek also addresses a caller’s question about whether the electromagnetic disturbances in the Bermuda Triangle are related to the Philadelphia Experiment. He explains that these disturbances are part of a natural global grid, with 12 primary areas on Earth exhibiting similar phenomena. He cites the second most active area being over the Japan Sea.
Furthermore, Bielek suggests that the technologies and theories behind time travel and the Philadelphia Experiment are not widely understood or accessible, discouraging listeners from attempting to recreate such experiments at home. He emphasizes the complexities involved and the specialized equipment required, such as a zero-time reference generator developed by Nikola Tesla.
Al Bielek discusses various topics related to time travel, the Philadelphia Experiment, and Nikola Tesla. He addresses a caller’s question about the possibility of large hydrogen bomb explosions creating time-space disturbances, confirming that this is indeed possible and has been tested.
Bielek also responds to a caller’s skepticism about his statements regarding physics and Maxwell’s equations. He suggests that the original equations written by Maxwell are not what is currently taught in universities and that they were simplified by Oliver Heaviside in 1875. According to Bielek, these simplifications omitted crucial aspects of the original equations, especially regarding the instantaneous propagation of the electrostatic field.
A caller from Alaska inquires about Nikola Tesla, whom Bielek acknowledges as one of the greatest people who ever lived. The conversation then shifts to political conspiracy theories, with callers asking about the involvement of U.S. presidents like George Bush and Bill Clinton in the so-called New World Order. Bielek suggests that these presidents are pawns in a larger game orchestrated by a higher authority and that Clinton was already influenced before becoming the governor of Arkansas.
Bielek discusses the assassination of President Kennedy, supporting the theory that the driver, William Greer, was involved, based on analysis of the Zapruder film and other evidence. He also addresses a question about bullet fragments in John Connally’s body, suggesting that while the body’s deterioration might obscure some evidence, the bullet fragments themselves would not degrade.
The conversation shifts to the topic of free energy, with Bielek mentioning several researchers and inventors, including Thomas Bearden and Nikola Tesla, who have contributed to the field. He argues that while the concept of “free energy” is misleading (as energy must come from somewhere), there are devices that can harness energy in ways not widely understood or accepted in conventional physics.
A caller from the Bay Area inquires about the veracity of the Bible. Bielek believes much of the Old Testament is historically accurate but suggests that some stories, like Adam and Eve, are allegorical. He also considers the Book of Revelations to potentially predict future events, citing its visions of warfare and plagues.
Another caller questions whether the U.S. government uses advanced technology to silence or dissuade UFO witnesses and researchers, referring to the “Men in Black” phenomenon. Bielek acknowledges the stories but says he has never encountered such individuals personally.
Lastly, a question about the development and potential declassification of a stable tachyon-derived fold generator (a hypothetical faster-than-light technology) is raised. Bielek notes that while antigravity systems exist within government projects, he cannot predict when such advanced technologies might become publicly known.
One caller from Tacoma asserts ownership of a book related to the Philadelphia Experiment, leading to a discussion about the availability of literature on the subject and the involvement of the Russians in similar experiments.
Bielek confirms that the Russians had their own parallel project to the Montauk Project, with a scientific exchange of information between the two countries. Another caller inquires about practical methods of time travel for ordinary people, to which Bielek responds that while the hardware required for physical time travel is complex and beyond the reach of most, metaphysical or meditative practices might offer a form of time exploration.
The topic then shifts to the existence of hard, provable evidence of these experiments. Bielek acknowledges having proof but notes the difficulty in publishing it due to the unwillingness of corroborators to come forward publicly. He mentions that major networks have shown initial interest in these stories but ultimately choose not to pursue them, possibly due to external control or influence.
A caller asks about Bielek’s personal experiences with time travel, specifically if he has traveled beyond 1983. Bielek reveals that recruits to the project were required to travel to the year 6037 and provides a brief description of what was observed: arriving in a traffic circle of a city that no longer existed with a gold statue present.
According to Bielek, the explorers found a world devoid of life, with only crumbling buildings and no sign of inhabitants, despite the presence of clear skies and clouds. This desolate scene, observed by all who undertook the journey, paints a grim picture of Earth’s future.
The conversation shifts to Nikola Tesla, with a caller from Las Vegas inquiring about additional information on Tesla’s work and notes. Bielek points out that a wealth of information on Tesla is available, particularly through the Tesla Museum in his home country (now part of Yugoslavia) and the International Tesla Society in Colorado Springs, Colorado. He also mentions Tesla’s extensive lectures and records kept by the Institute of Electrical Engineers in New York City.
As the interview nears its end, Bielek reflects on his age and the future of the story he’s been telling. Despite the challenges in verifying his extraordinary claims, Bielek is confident that his story will continue through books, videotapes, and other documentation. He speculates on the eventual declassification of the Philadelphia Experiment, suggesting that it might occur 50 years after the event, in line with government classification policies.
Bielek describes a future trip to the year 6037, where explorers found a desolate world with no sign of life, only crumbling buildings, clear skies, and white clouds. This grim picture raises questions about Earth’s future.
The discussion shifts to Tesla, with a caller from Las Vegas inquiring about accessing more of Tesla’s studies and notes. Bielek recommends visiting the Tesla Museum in what was formerly Yugoslavia and the International Tesla Society in Colorado Springs, Colorado, for detailed documentation on Tesla’s patents and works. He also mentions the Institute of Electrical Engineers in New York City, where Tesla was a regular lecturer.
As the interview nears its conclusion, Bielek reflects on his age and the future of his story, emphasizing the efforts made to document and share his experiences through books and videotapes. He speculates on the eventual declassification of the Philadelphia Experiment, suggesting it might be due to occur soon, given the 50-year classification rule, although he notes potential obstacles to full disclosure.
The conversation transitions from Al Bielek to Preston Nichols, who picks up the narrative with details about the Montauk Project. Nichols, described as an electrical engineer with a background in the military industrial complex, shares his involvement in numerous secret projects, including the Montauk Project. He outlines his career and current semi-retired status, running his own business in electronics manufacturing and R&D work.
Nichols traces the Montauk Project’s origins back to around 1947, initiated to investigate the Philadelphia Experiment’s anomalies and its effects on the crew of the USS Eldridge. The goal was to understand why the experiment led to unintended consequences, such as making the ship completely invisible and transporting it through time and space. He suggests that the project split into two paths: one leading to Los Alamos, where stealth technology was developed, and the other focusing on human factors research at Brookhaven National Laboratory, part of the broader Phoenix Project.
The Phoenix Project, according to Nichols, was a comprehensive research initiative into the human mind, evolving from propaganda techniques used during the World Wars to chemical research and beyond. He mentions the development of “user-friendly” stealth technology but is unable to elaborate due to security oaths.
Nichols discusses the security measures employed in long-term projects, indicating that speaking about certain aspects could lead to charges of espionage. However, he notes that he can speak about parts of the Montauk Project for which he never officially signed nondisclosure agreements, suggesting these elements “officially never existed.”
Regarding the Philadelphia Experiment, Nichols acknowledges the controversy surrounding Bielek’s account but confirms the experiment’s occurrence based on personal experiences and discussions with others. He suggests that the government attempted various tests on invisibility and that the Philadelphia Experiment was one among many, contributing to the confusion and conflicting reports surrounding these secret projects.
Preston Nichols delves deeper into the Montauk Project’s objectives and the technologies involved. He confirms that the project, which he associates with high-energy physics, received input from Nikola Tesla and Dr. John Von Neumann. Nichols agrees with the essence of Al Bielek’s narrative, suggesting that their accounts and those of other witnesses like Duncan Cameron largely align.
Nichols outlines the Montauk Project’s origins, tracing it back to the aftermath of the Philadelphia Experiment, with the aim of understanding and correcting the issues encountered. This project split into two paths: one leading to Los Alamos for stealth technology development and the other focusing on human factors research at Brookhaven National Laboratory, eventually merging with the Phoenix Project.
The mission of the Montauk Project, according to Nichols, was to explore the potential of electromagnetic fields for mind control and population manipulation, a concept initially rejected by Congress but later embraced by the military. This led to the establishment of the project at the Montauk Air Force Station, allowing for secretive research away from congressional oversight.
Nichols describes the project’s capabilities in mind control, including thought injection, thought reading, and thought modification, utilizing radio waves to affect human minds at a distance. This technology, which involved pulse frequency and a specialized form of modulation, could potentially reach individuals thousands of miles away.
The conversation also touches on the debate surrounding the harmlessness of electromagnetic waves, with Nichols emphasizing the human brain’s sensitivity to pulsed and frequency-hopping signals. He compares the Montauk Project’s technology to the Russian “Woodpecker” signal and mentions the similarities with American over-the-horizon radar technologies.
Nichols explains the significance of using specific frequency hopping and pulse modulation techniques to affect biological entities. He describes how the project used what he refers to as a “signature” or a unique electromagnetic frequency pattern representing an individual, akin to a fingerprint, to target specific people with thought transmission or control. This process involved capturing a holographic thought pattern, processing it through a computer system, and then broadcasting it via a modified radar transmitter, which Nichols was responsible for adapting.
The discussion reveals the project’s capability to create objects from thought, suggesting the power of the equipment was immense, potentially utilizing 100 million watts of continuous power. Nichols clarifies that the technology could either create an actual object or merely the vision of one, depending on the completeness of the signal and the capabilities of the equipment.
Nichols also touches on the project’s experimentation with time travel, stating that it involved generating a “time wave” to bend the space-time continuum. He notes that there were attempts to physically travel through time using a stable and usable time portal, suggesting the existence of multiple realities with varying time flows as per newer quantum theories.
Nichols recounts an incident where a creature, likened to Bigfoot, was brought into existence at the Montauk site. He explains that this entity was generated from the subconscious of Duncan Cameron, who was operating the project’s transmitter. This creature, described as large, scary, and aggressive, was not physically present but left a residual energy pattern strong enough to be captured on photographic equipment. Nichols clarifies that, to his knowledge, the creature did not kill anyone but significantly frightened the personnel.
The conversation shifts to the technological aspects of the Montauk Project, particularly the challenge of making the stealth technology biologically friendly. Nichols discusses the three levels of stealth: radar cross-section reduction, radar signal absorption, and the electromagnetic model. He highlights the importance of the Schumann resonances—low-frequency electromagnetic waves in the Earth-ionosphere cavity—as biological clocks for human beings. The original Montauk technology, which created a solid electromagnetic field, needed modification to prevent disorientation and other negative effects on humans. This led to the development of a focused field that enveloped people without directly exposing them to harmful electromagnetic radiation.
Nichols also touches on the concept of using pulsed magnetic fields to manipulate space-time, suggesting that different levels of invisibility could be achieved, from radar evasion to complete optical invisibility.
Nichols explains that Montauk, now a state park known as Camp Hero, is closed to the public and surrounded by high security, including a substantial electrical supply, suggesting ongoing activities. He suspects the active portions of Montauk are underground, with reports of an extensive underground facility. Sounds of machinery and operations can still be heard by visitors, indicating something significant remains operational.
The discussion delves into the electromagnetic manipulation conducted at Montauk, suggesting it was used for planetary-scale projects or possibly for stabilizing Earth’s axis. Nichols notes ongoing transmissions in specific frequency ranges that hint at continued experiments or activities at the site.
Nichols further elaborates on the project’s focus on amplifying human thoughts to create physical manifestations. This technology required individuals capable of intense concentration on a single concept, suggesting that while theoretically anyone could be trained for this, individuals like Duncan Cameron were particularly adept due to their focused mental capacities.
Nichols reveals that several sailors from the USS Eldridge participated in the Montauk Project, suggesting a direct linkage facilitated by “witnesses” or objects and personnel that served as physical connections between the two projects. These connections helped anchor a time loop spanning 1943, 1963, and 1983, with Montauk acting as one end of this temporal bridge.
Nichols touches on the metaphysical concepts that underpin the project’s operations, such as the use of the Earth’s natural rhythms and cycles to lock the two projects in space and time. He speculates about the potential opening of a rift in space-time due to these experiments, which could explain the increased UFO sightings post-1947.
The conversation shifts to the technicalities of manipulating space-time and affecting biological entities with focused electromagnetic waves. Nichols outlines the massive power requirements of the Montauk transmitter, capable of generating signals with over 200 million watts of power, and the need for sophisticated pulse modulation and frequency hopping techniques to encode and transmit complex information.
Nichols also discusses his role in the project, focusing on modifying radar transmitters to interface human thought with technology, unknowingly contributing to experiments on mind control and the manipulation of physical reality. He reflects on the dangerous nature of this technology, particularly in terms of its potential for abuse and the unintended consequences of interfacing human consciousness with electromagnetic systems.
Nichols explains how the project utilized the concept of a “witness” to establish a connection between Montauk and the USS Eldridge, enabling a time loop that anchored the experiments in 1943, 1963, and 1983. This metaphysical linkage was reinforced by shared equipment and personnel between the two projects, and it was speculated that these experiments might have opened a rift in space-time, potentially explaining the influx of UFO sightings since 1947.
Nichols recounts a critical moment when Duncan Cameron, a key figure in the project, perceived that the experiments were veering into dangerous territory. This realization led to the intentional creation of a “monster” from Cameron’s subconscious, aimed at forcing the project’s shutdown. This event underscores the unpredictable and often perilous nature of delving into the unknown realms of consciousness and reality manipulation.
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As the interview resumes, Nichols and Art discuss the technological aspects of the experiments, emphasizing the massive power requirements and sophisticated electromagnetic manipulation techniques involved in bending space-time and affecting biological entities. Nichols shares his personal involvement in modifying radar transmitters for the project, revealing his initial unawareness of the full scope and potential consequences of the work he was contributing to.
Preston Nichols describes how Duncan Cameron, pivotal to the project, realized the experiments were veering into dangerous, uncharted territories, leading to a decision to create a monstrous entity from his subconscious to force the project’s termination. This action, based on collective agreement among the project’s team, was aimed at halting operations that were delving into “lower domains” and potentially hazardous realms.
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Nichols touches on the use of massive amounts of power and sophisticated electromagnetic manipulation to achieve the project’s goals, including bending the space-time continuum and affecting biological entities. He also shares his personal involvement in modifying radar transmitters and setting up pulse modulation schemes, emphasizing the dangerous nature of the technology and the ethical considerations it raises.
Preston Nichols discusses the aftermath of creating a monstrous entity from Duncan Cameron’s subconscious, which was intended to scare the project leaders into shutting down the Montauk Project. This act highlights the deep ethical concerns and the unpredictable nature of delving into the unknown realms of consciousness and reality manipulation. Nichols confirms that the creation of this entity effectively led to a temporary shutdown of the project, although activities of an unknown nature have continued to this day.
Nichols addresses questions from the audience, including a query about a potential connection between the Montauk Project and the infamous Amityville horror. Nichols, who had previously investigated the Amityville house as part of a parapsychological research team, shares that they found no evidence to support the supernatural claims associated with the house. This detour into another well-known paranormal case highlights the broad spectrum of interests and topics that intersect within the realm of speculative and paranormal research.
Another question from the audience prompts Nichols to discuss the use of particle accelerators in contemporary projects related to Montauk, specifically mentioning the potential application of particle beam technology as both a weapon and a power source. Nichols notes that physicists have achieved the speed of light with particles, hinting at the advanced state of modern physics and its potential applications, some of which may remain classified or speculative.
Nichols highlights the immense power generated by these accelerators, suggesting that they were crucial for the project’s experiments with space and time manipulation. He notes personal experiences of radiation sickness, which he attributes to exposure to bursts of neutron radiation from the accelerators, underscoring the dangerous and experimental nature of the work being conducted.
The conversation then shifts to a caller’s inquiry about Edward Teller, a prominent physicist and “father of the hydrogen bomb,” and his book on the symmetrical universe, which discusses the unlimited power available through antimatter. Nichols acknowledges Teller’s significant contributions to science and affirms the caller’s assertion that antimatter, when combined with matter, results in 100% conversion to energy, presenting an unparalleled power source. This discussion reflects on the theoretical and practical implications of harnessing such energy, highlighting the advances in particle physics and their application in secretive projects like Montauk.
Nichols and the caller speculate on the current use of antimatter as a power source and the catastrophic potential of an accelerator malfunction, comparing it to a nuclear meltdown but with even more dire consequences.
Preston Nichols delves into the moral dilemmas and ethical considerations surrounding the Montauk Project, particularly focusing on the aspects of mind control and manipulation of time. He expresses concern over the project’s trajectory, characterizing its direction as “evil” due to its potential to undermine free will and concentrate power in the hands of those who may misuse it. Nichols highlights the inherent danger in gaining the capability to control minds and manipulate time, emphasizing that such power could lead to oppressive regimes and societal harm.
Listeners call in with various questions, ranging from technical inquiries about the project’s operations to more speculative topics like age regression and the potential for personal protection against mind control. Nichols discusses the theoretical possibility of age regression through manipulation of DNA and energetic patterns, although he remains cautious about the feasibility and ethical implications of such processes.
One caller introduces the concept of a “wish machine,” a device purported to influence physical reality through focused intention, drawing parallels to the Montauk Project’s exploration of consciousness and reality manipulation. Nichols responds to these inquiries with a mix of scientific speculation and personal observations, reflecting on his experiences and the broader implications of the project’s research.
Preston Nichols further explores the potential for electromagnetic manipulation to affect genetic and biological processes, suggesting that quantum electromagnetic waves might influence the DNA structure. This discussion is paused for a series of advertisements and public service announcements, ranging from investment advice to legal will preparation and educational improvement initiatives.
Nichols addresses questions from listeners about the Montauk Project’s darker aspects, particularly its ventures into mind control and time manipulation. He expresses his view that the project’s direction was morally wrong, emphasizing the inherent evil in attempting to dominate human minds and manipulate time for power consolidation. Nichols highlights the importance of raising public awareness and individual consciousness to resist such manipulative efforts effectively.
One caller inquires about the possibility of age regression through electromagnetic or genetic manipulation. Nichols suggests that while theoretically possible by reverting DNA to a younger state, this concept remains highly speculative and unproven. He stresses the need for further evidence before considering age regression a credible phenomenon.
The conversation touches on the potential dangers of particle accelerators and antimatter as power sources, emphasizing the catastrophic consequences of mishandling such technologies. Nichols speculates about the use of accelerators in the Montauk Project for space-time manipulation, noting personal experiences of radiation exposure likely linked to these experiments.
One caller from Long Island shares his journey of becoming politically aware after moving away from the area, suggesting that his newfound understanding may somehow relate to the topics of mind control discussed on the show. Nichols responds by discussing the feasibility of mass mind control with today’s technology, noting that modern methods might not require a specific “signature” for each individual due to advancements in particle beam technology. This technology could modulate synaptic patterns in the brain, suggesting a potential for controlling the masses.
Another caller inquires about a device purportedly used for “animal control,” which allegedly can also influence human perceptions, creating auditory or visual hallucinations. Nichols expresses skepticism about the specific device but acknowledges the theoretical possibility of such technology based on his understanding of electromagnetic and neural interactions.
Preston Nichols continues his discussion on the complexities and possibilities of mind control, electromagnetic manipulation, and time travel, as callers contribute a wide range of questions. Nichols explains that low frequencies can have profound effects on human beings, suggesting that certain transmissions might influence a room full of people by interacting directly with the brain or fragmenting memories.
The conversation touches on the potential for low-frequency transmissions, like those used for communication with submarines, to affect biological entities near the source. Nichols clarifies that without specific pulsing patterns, such transmissions likely wouldn’t have a significant impact on humans due to the brain’s ability to adapt and change levels to maintain equilibrium.
One caller discusses the concept of time travel through psychic ability or dreams, prompting Nichols to describe how technology could harness these phenomena. He suggests that dreams or virtual realities could be projected into physical reality through powerful electromagnetic transmitters, connecting the human brain’s emanations with technological outputs.
Nichols also addresses inquiries about the nature of human brain signals, which he describes as “hansen waves” – virtual signals existing in a different reality from our own. He elaborates on the strong imaginary world emanations from human beings, which are more potent than real-world emanations and can be detected using specific technologies.
The discussion shifts to encounters with alien beings at Montauk, with Nichols recounting sightings of creatures resembling “little grays” and a hybrid resembling a cross between a lizard and a human being. These descriptions align with common alien encounter narratives, adding another layer of intrigue to the Montauk Project’s lore.
One caller inquires about the funding for such extensive and mysterious operations. Preston Nichols suggests that the project may have been financed through unconventional means, possibly even by gold smuggling from the mafia, though he admits this is speculative.
Nichols also touches on the idea that certain government projects, including Montauk, were “hidden projects” with funding that couldn’t be traced through normal congressional appropriations. He mentions that Senator Barry Goldwater had shown interest in Montauk but couldn’t find any trace of its funding in congressional records.
The conversation then shifts to discussions about the potential effects of low-frequency transmissions on human beings. Nichols suggests that these could be used for mind control by affecting a large group of people simultaneously. He explains that this would require modulating the level of transmission so rapidly that the brain’s neurological system couldn’t adapt, effectively bypassing the brain’s natural defenses.
One caller discusses the possibility of using particle beams for mass mind control. Nichols confirms that this is possible with modern technology, explaining that unlike earlier methods which required a specific signature for each individual, particle beams can directly interact with the brain, bypassing the need for individual targeting.
Preston Nichols discusses the ongoing emission of signals from the Montauk area, suggesting that the equipment he described is still active and producing pulses detectable by coils. These signals, according to Nichols, are likely related to the activities that have been taking place since the 1970s and 1980s.
Nichols and Art then delve into the broader societal impact of such technologies, pondering the role they might play in influencing public behavior. They discuss the increase in seemingly mindless, violent incidents and the general deterioration of societal norms. Nichols suggests that continuous exposure to these signals could be likened to a hammer constantly tapping on one’s head, potentially leading to increased irritability and aggressive behavior in individuals.
This conversation reflects on the potential for such advanced technologies to inadvertently or purposefully influence human behavior on a large scale. Nichols emphasizes the need for a better understanding of these technologies and their implications for society.
As the show wraps up, Art provides information for listeners who wish to obtain a tape of the interviews with Al Bielek and Preston Nichols. The interview concludes with a reminder of the toll-free number to order the tape and the cost for the complete five-hour recording without commercials.