The episode begins with Art introducing Marc Davenport as the guest, followed by a segment from Linda Howe reporting from Philadelphia, focusing on intelligent life forms and an upcoming Triad Research Conference. This conference features notable speakers such as Professor John Mack from Harvard, Professor Jack Casher from the University of Nebraska, and Yvonne Smith, a psychologist working with abductees. They discuss a unique ‘dine with the researchers’ banquet at the conference in Phoenix, Arizona, offering attendees a chance to interact personally with these experts.
The conference also includes workshops for professionals using hypnosis, led by Professor Mack and John Carpenter, and a group meeting for abduction syndrome experiences with Yvonne Smith and Skye Ambrose. Art then shifts the discussion to a public hearing regarding Area 51 at Nellis Air Force Base, addressing concerns about the Air Force’s acquisition of land for public safety without clear explanations.
The episode takes an interesting turn with the mention of Clifford Stone, a retired Sergeant First Class of the U.S. Army, who has been fighting for transparency regarding the U.S. government’s knowledge of alien life forms. Stone’s efforts are focused on urging congressional hearings about the government’s suppression of information. He shares his experiences from the late 1970s, including involvement in projects named Moon Dust and Blue Fly, which allegedly dealt with the recovery of alien spacecraft and bodies. However, government agencies have yet to confirm these claims.
Continuing the discussion, Clifford Stone, a retired U.S. Army Sergeant, shares his intriguing experiences with UFOs and extraterrestrial phenomena. Stone recalls an incident from 1955 in Pennsylvania, where he witnessed a UFO resembling an acorn. Despite skepticism from his colleagues, Stone remained convinced of its extraterrestrial origin. He describes the object as having an open center and being covered with canvas, sparking further curiosity and debate among those present.
Stone also recounts a military incident near Columbus, Ohio, where he had an epiphany about UFOs. He accompanied a colleague to a site where a Soviet craft was believed to be held, only to find out that the craft was not of Soviet origin. This revelation left Stone’s colleague visibly shaken, reinforcing Stone’s belief in the presence of extraterrestrial technology.
Moreover, Stone delves into his experiences during December 1980, when he was stationed in Germany. He became involved in investigating an unusual event at a Royal Air Force base in England, where he had access to documentation and photographs suggesting the presence of an extraterrestrial vehicle and entities. Despite the secrecy surrounding these documents, Stone’s conviction about their authenticity and the extraterrestrial nature of these occurrences remained strong.
Clifford Stone describes the entities as slender with disproportionately large heads and huge, black eyes, approximately three to four feet tall. Stone mentions reports of up to five such entities appearing from a UFO.
Stone emphasizes the secrecy and sensitivity surrounding these topics in the military. Even after leaving the military, there are restrictions on what can be discussed publicly, with legal consequences for disclosing classified information. He explains the different levels of confidentiality and the severity of consequences for breaking them, highlighting the government’s concern about protecting sensitive information.
The conversation then shifts to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and its effectiveness in uncovering UFO-related information. Stone expresses skepticism about the likelihood of obtaining significant information through FOIA requests, particularly in the alien lifeform category. He believes the most sensitive data is buried in Atomic Energy Commission files under national security concerns, unlikely to be released.
Despite these challenges, Stone has attempted to access information through FOIA based on his military experiences and contacts. He has sent material to congressional representatives, hoping for a response. The segment concludes with the idea that increased public dialogue with government representatives might pressure a response or acknowledgement concerning government knowledge and suppression of information about alien interactions.
Art Bell transitions from discussing Clifford Stone’s experiences to interviewing Marc Davenport, an author and long-time researcher of UFO phenomena and abductions. Davenport, with a background in chemical engineering and experience as a freelance writer, has authored several books, including “Visitors from Time” and “The Secret of the UFOs,” exploring the evidence that UFOs manipulate space-time.
Davenport discusses the diverse nature of UFO phenomena, suggesting that it encompasses a variety of occurrences beyond hoaxes, hallucinations, and misperceptions of common objects. He posits that some UFO sightings involve crafts piloted by beings capable of warping space-time, similar to the effects of a black hole. He speculates that these crafts could be arriving from different dimensions, including other galaxies, other stars, and even different times, including our own past and future.
Davenport references Einstein’s theory that space and time form a four-dimensional continuum, which is warped by the presence of matter. He mentions the concept of black holes warping space-time to the extent that time can run backwards and discusses Dr. Frank Tipler’s theory about the possibility of constructing a working time machine using rotating black holes or neutron stars.
Davenport asserts that the advanced technology of beings piloting UFOs allows them to manipulate physics in ways far beyond human capabilities. He emphasizes the abundant evidence supporting the reality of UFOs, including physical traces like burn circles, calcified soil, and implanted devices removed from abductees. He argues that the cumulative weight of this evidence, including thousands of photographs, videos, and film footage, provides compelling proof of the UFO phenomenon.
Marc Davenport discusses his time in Gulf Breeze, Florida, a known hotspot for UFO sightings. He mentions watching the skies for a famous local UFO nicknamed “Bubba” and attending a lecture where attendees had reported as many as 180 UFO sightings. Davenport also touches upon the controversy surrounding Ed Walters, a key figure in the Gulf Breeze UFO sightings. While Davenport didn’t meet Walters, he notes that experts like Bruce Maccabee have studied Walters’ photographs and couldn’t find any evidence of fakery. He emphasizes the multitude of photographs and sightings in the area by various people, supporting the UFO phenomenon’s authenticity in Gulf Breeze.
Davenport then delves deeper into the physics of UFOs, discussing their reported ability to perform high-speed maneuvers without causing harm to biological entities inside. He hypothesizes that these crafts could generate a field that warps space-time, creating a ‘private universe’ around them. This concept, likened to a fly moving inside a moving car unaffected by the car’s speed or sudden stops, suggests that within this field, normal physical rules don’t apply. Thus, a UFO could appear to move at incredible speeds or change directions instantaneously without affecting those inside.
He further elaborates on the relativity of time, a concept introduced by Einstein, implying that time as experienced inside these crafts could be vastly different from our perception. Davenport suggests that what appears as high-speed movement to an external observer could, for those inside the craft, be a leisurely pace. He also touches on quantum physics and the nature of time, hinting that our understanding of time as a linear, fixed entity might be an illusion created by brain processes.
Marc Davenport delves into the concept of mass delusion regarding UFO encounters and abductions. He suggests that quantum physics, rather than new age thinking, supports the idea that our mental processes might influence physical reality. Davenport refers to experiments in quantum physics showing that the observer’s presence can affect the outcome, suggesting that both collectively and individually, humans might be creating their own reality.
Further discussing the power of the mind, Davenport brings up the possibility of thought-induced time travel, as explored in various books and films. He mentions “The Holographic Universe” by Michael Talbott and “Parallel Universes” by Dr. Fred Allen Wolf, which discuss how quantum physics is uncovering new understandings of the universe and time. These works suggest that what we perceive as reality could be significantly influenced by our consciousness.
Davenport then talks about the need for interdisciplinary communication between ufologists, quantum physicists, and metaphysicians. He has started a newsletter, “Contact Forum,” aimed at facilitating this communication by bringing together different factions within ufology, including channelers and nuts-and-bolts researchers. The goal is to share different perspectives and, through this dialogue, get closer to understanding the UFO phenomenon.
He reflects on the long history of UFO research, noting that despite decades of study, definitive answers remain elusive. Davenport recalls his own first UFO sighting in 1962 and mentions the famous abduction case of Betty and Barney Hill. He references how Betty Hill, under hypnosis, drew a star map which Marjorie Fish later matched to known star positions, suggesting a possible origin for the UFO.
Davenport mentions a curious statistical finding that UFO sightings are more frequent on Wednesdays compared to other days. While the difference isn’t enormous, it’s statistically significant, raising questions about why extraterrestrial visitors might prefer certain days for their appearances. This pattern challenges the idea that UFOs are visiting from light-years away, as it doesn’t align with the concept of space travel unaffected by Earth’s weekly calendar.
Davenport then explores the idea that UFOs might be more oriented towards human activities than previously thought. He notes observations where UFOs seem to respect state boundaries and appear more frequently at certain times of the year, like in September. These patterns suggest that UFOs might have a closer connection to human civilization, possibly indicating that they are a product of human nature or even time travel from the future.
The conversation shifts to the topic of field propulsion engineering, with Davenport mentioning Dr. David Browning, a field propulsion engineer he met at a conference. Browning’s work aims to replicate the technology seen in UFOs, particularly the concept of warping space-time for travel. This aligns with Davenport’s hypothesis about UFOs stepping outside of normal space-time and re-entering it elsewhere, allowing for seemingly instantaneous travel across vast distances.
Davenport discusses analogies used to explain space-time travel, like folding a ribbon or a dollar bill to shorten the distance between two points. This concept is echoed by people who claim to have been abducted by aliens, who report being taught about the nature of time and space-time travel. These abductees describe space-time as something akin to a slinky or a series of looping rings, with different dimensions overlapping, allowing for travel between them.
The segment concludes with Davenport acknowledging ongoing research in this area and the possibility of private success stories in replicating UFO-like travel. However, he doesn’t provide specific details on these successes, leaving the topic open to speculation and further inquiry.
Marc Davenport discusses intriguing aspects of time travel and the Men in Black phenomenon associated with UFO sightings.
Davenport first delves into the concept of time travel, referencing experiments conducted at the University of Maryland in 1985 involving photon behavior, suggesting the possibility of backward time travel. This experiment showed that photons acted as both particles and waves, indicating they could travel backwards in time to go through both slots in the experiment setup. These findings challenge traditional understandings of time, suggesting that it’s not a linear, fixed entity as commonly thought.
He then addresses the question of why, if time travel is possible, we haven’t been visited by many travelers from the future. Davenport posits that we are being visited by time travelers and that these visitors may have been involved in human history, perhaps even in our genesis.
The conversation shifts to the topic of genetic interest. Davenport suggests that some extraterrestrial visitors are interested in human genetics, as evidenced by reports of abductees undergoing procedures related to genetics and reproduction. He speculates that these beings, capable of warping space-time, could be coming from different places, planets, dimensions, or even our own future and past.
The interview then moves to the mysterious Men in Black, often reported following UFO sightings. Davenport describes them as enigmatic figures who appear after someone has witnessed a UFO, generally threatening them and asking for any evidence of the sighting, like photographs or physical objects. These Men in Black are described as having a strange appearance, often trying to conceal their features and acting as if they are not accustomed to Earth’s atmosphere.
Davenport questions the connection between these Men in Black and the UFO phenomenon. He finds it puzzling that if UFOs are from another planet, why these Men in Black, who seem connected to the phenomenon, would engage in such behavior.
Davenport explores the hypothesis that some UFO sightings might be related to time travel from our own future. He suggests that when these future travelers are spotted, they might try to erase the incident to avoid creating paradoxes, such as the famous grandfather paradox in time travel theories. He discusses the idea of a ‘cosmic police force’ that might be necessary to manage potential paradoxes created by time travelers. Davenport also touches on the theory that time might be elastic and self-correcting in the face of potential paradoxes.
The conversation then shifts to the controversial topic of the Philadelphia Experiment, which allegedly involved the USS Eldridge in 1943. According to the story, the ship was transported through time, creating a wormhole. Davenport notes that while this story is bizarre and not fully verified, it adds to the narrative of government experiments involving time travel and advanced technology.
Davenport also addresses the issue of government cover-ups in the context of UFOs. He argues that the UFO phenomenon is not actually covered up but is an ‘open secret’ among the public. He points out that many people are aware of UFOs and events like the Roswell crash, yet official acknowledgment is lacking. This, he argues, is akin to the government’s past denials of the existence of aircraft like the U-2 spy plane and the SR-71 Blackbird, as well as the denial of the existence of Area 51.
The segment concludes with Davenport affirming that government denial and secrecy regarding advanced technology and UFO phenomena are standard procedures.
Davenport addresses the government’s ability to keep secrets, drawing parallels with historical instances like the Manhattan Project and more recent revelations of unethical medical experiments. He argues that the government’s denial of UFOs is a standard procedure, similar to past denials about the existence of certain military bases or aircraft.
He then shifts to the case of “Linda Cortile,” a pseudonym given by researcher Bud Hopkins to protect the identity of a woman who claimed to be abducted from her Manhattan apartment. This case is notable due to multiple independent witnesses, including a government official, corroborating her story. The case raises questions about perception and visibility, as Davenport hypothesizes that UFOs could create a field making them invisible under certain conditions.
Davenport also mentions Bob Lazar, who claims to have reverse-engineered extraterrestrial technology. According to Lazar, these crafts can bend light around them, making them appear invisible. This capability is illustrated in another case from Australia, where a family reportedly disappeared during a beach photo session, suggesting an abduction occurred without being noticed by others.
Davenport suggests that large electromagnetic fields generated by these crafts’ propulsion systems or time-travel capabilities could be detectable. He mentions that ufologists have been attempting to create devices to detect such electromagnetic anomalies, aiming to provide more tangible evidence of UFOs’ presence.
Davenport discusses how ufologists have been using magnetometers to detect electromagnetic fluctuations associated with UFO sightings. These devices often register unusual activity preceding a UFO sighting. He elaborates on the wide range of electromagnetic radiation emitted by UFOs, from radio waves to gamma rays, and suggests that these variations could be influenced by the warping of space-time around the UFOs. This warping could cause a Doppler effect, altering the wavelengths of radiation emitted by the crafts.
He also mentions incidents where people have experienced physical effects from close encounters with UFOs. For example, the Cash-Landrum incident in Texas, where individuals suffered radiation sickness, and cases in Brazil where people were exposed to extreme heat, possibly from infrared or microwave radiation. Additionally, there have been reports of radio interference and even gamma radiation detected in association with UFO sightings.
Davenport speculates about the nature of the magnetic fields generated by UFOs. He suggests that a large, powerful magnetic field might radiate across most frequencies. He also discusses the implications of such powerful magnetic fields on the environment, such as residual magnetism in metal objects and potential disruptions to electronic devices and power grids.
The conversation then touches upon the effects of UFO encounters on automobiles. Davenport notes common reports of cars stalling and electronics malfunctioning during UFO sightings, with these effects occurring in both older and modern vehicles. He explains that, typically, the vehicles can be restarted after the UFO leaves, indicating a temporary, localized impact.
Davenport describes incidents where the presence of a UFO has caused disruptions in power grids and electronic equipment. He recounts cases from Argentina and Kuwait where UFOs caused power outages and equipment shutdowns, which mysteriously resolved themselves once the UFOs left. These incidents raise questions about the nature of the technology used by UFOs, particularly regarding their interaction with electrical systems.
He suggests that these disruptions might be caused by a field generated by UFOs that warps space-time, affecting the flow of electricity. Davenport proposes that this field could slow down the flow of electricity to the point of appearing as if the power has gone out, while in reality, it’s flowing at an extremely slow rate.
Davenport also discusses the potential for research into power company records to track anomalies that could be associated with UFO activity. He believes that tracking temporal anomalies created by UFOs could be a fertile area of research. This could involve placing highly sensitive and accurate clocks in strategic locations, like the homes of abductees or aircraft scrambled to chase UFOs, to detect any distortions in time caused by UFOs.
Davenport agrees with the shift in focus among UFO researchers towards abduction cases. He compares it to the SETI program, noting that while scientists look for extraterrestrial life in the far reaches of space, evidence of such life might be right in our backyards through UFO landings and abductions. He emphasizes the importance of not only studying the physical effects of UFO encounters but also listening to the accounts of abductees and what they are told by their visitors.
Davenport reflects on the early UFO contactees like George Adamski and Howard Bender, who reported being told by extraterrestrials about the need for humanity to love each other, cease nuclear activities, and stop polluting the planet. These messages, initially met with skepticism, now resonate with contemporary environmental and human rights concerns. Davenport suggests that abductions, which became more frequent in the 1960s, might be a continuation of this communication.
He has noticed a pattern among abductees, finding that they often share strong environmentalist, human rights, and anti-nuclear sentiments. Davenport ponders whether these beliefs are intrinsic to the abductees or a result of programming during abductions. He mentions the work of David Jacobs and the “staring procedure,” where abductees report feeling as if information is being extracted and injected into their brains. This procedure often leads to spiritual changes, psychic abilities, and altered attitudes among abductees.
Davenport agrees with the idea that abductions often occur repeatedly within families over generations. He discusses the potential for communicating with aliens through abductees, citing the work of Darrell Sims, who uses hypnosis to give abductees messages to relay during their abductions.
He also shares his thoughts on the diversity of extraterrestrial agendas, cautioning against applying human logic to ascribe a collective motive to their actions. Davenport suggests that each extraterrestrial being or group might have a different purpose, and while there seems to be a grand plan, understanding it is challenging.
The interview then takes a personal turn as Art Bell shares his experience of witnessing a large, silent triangular craft in Pahrump, Nevada, near Area 51. Bell describes the craft as defying normal aerodynamic principles and being completely silent, adding to the mystery and intrigue surrounding these sightings.
Davenport suggests that the triangular shape might be influenced by the field around the UFO, which is often that shape. He references other sightings of similar triangular crafts, noting their ability to float and rotate on multiple axes.
Davenport then discusses the possibility that some triangular UFOs might be a result of reverse-engineered alien technology by the government, as suggested by individuals like Bob Lazar. He also entertains the idea that these crafts could be from many different origins, each with its own agenda.
The conversation shifts to Carl Sagan, with Davenport expressing respect for Sagan’s intelligence but disagreeing with his skepticism about UFOs. He speculates that Sagan might have had an agenda or was possibly influenced by the government in his public stance on UFOs.
Davenport also touches on the changing nature of the government’s approach to UFO secrecy. He believes that the government is moving from a policy of cover-up to one of gradual education about extraterrestrial life, as evidenced by hints in various media forms.
The segment concludes with a call-in session where listeners ask Davenport about his views on time travel, UFOs, and specific cases like Billy Meier’s contacts. Davenport acknowledges the complexity and controversy surrounding Meier’s photographs, suggesting that they could be genuine despite skepticism. He emphasizes the need for serious consideration and investigation into such cases.
Davenport discusses the possibility that the entities associated with UFOs, often seen as angels or messengers in religious texts, might be the same beings encountered in modern UFO sightings. He suggests that many biblical stories, such as the Star of Bethlehem or the chariots of fire that took Elijah into the sky, could be interpreted as classical UFO encounters. This connection implies a long-standing relationship between these beings and humanity, potentially influencing the development of human religions and spiritual beliefs.
He also touches on the challenges of interpreting channeled information, where individuals claim to receive messages from extraterrestrial sources. Davenport cautions that these messages are often subject to the channel’s interpretation and may not always be accurate or reliable. He mentions instances where people acted on these messages, like going to mountaintops to wait for UFOs, only to be disappointed. This points to the complexity of understanding and verifying information received in such a manner.
Davenport further explores the idea that the discrepancies in channeled messages might not be due to deliberate deceit but rather to difficulties in accurately interpreting and conveying the information received. He proposes that while there is valuable information to be gained, turning it into concrete predictions or messages is challenging and often prone to error.
The segment concludes with a discussion about the potential reasons for misinformation or failed predictions related to UFO phenomena. Davenport suggests that misunderstanding or misinterpretation is more likely than a deliberate attempt to deceive or conceal information.
A caller from Arkansas shares an encounter with what appeared to be a black plane and a mysterious black line in the sky. The caller describes how these objects moved in an unconventional manner, with no engine noise or heat waves, and then disappeared suddenly. This account resembles Art Bell’s earlier description of a silent, triangular craft, further suggesting the presence of advanced aerial technology that defies conventional understanding.
Marc Davenport discusses the possibility that elements within the US government possess more knowledge about UFO technology than publicly acknowledged. He refers to the 1947 Roswell incident, suggesting that since then, there has been a concerted effort to study and possibly replicate UFO technology. Davenport also entertains the idea that the US government might have received extraterrestrial technology in exchange for other considerations, aligning with the government’s tendency to keep such matters secret.
The show ends with Art Bell expressing interest in having Davenport on for another interview due to the intriguing content and the volume of information yet to be discussed. Bell acknowledges the support of the Bigelow Foundation for the program and invites listeners to tune in for the next episode.