The topic of discussion revolves around reincarnation, animal mutilation cases, and UFO controversies. The guest, Dr. Altshuler, shares his experiences and insights. Initially, the conversation touches upon Dr. Altshuler’s personal interest and his journey to investigate these phenomena, despite facing intimidation and fear. He recounts an incident from 1967, one of the first examined cases of animal mutilation in the country, which he revisited after a 22-year hiatus.
During this period, Dr. Altshuler was in denial about anything peculiar or extraterrestrial related to the cases he had encountered. However, around 1989, his perspective changed, leading to a collaboration with Linda Howe, a researcher in the field. Linda approached Dr. Altshuler due to his involvement in an early animal mutilation case. Initially reluctant, Dr. Altshuler eventually agreed to work with her, finding her trustworthy and professional.
Their discussion delves into the specifics of a case involving mercury and the broader implications of their findings. Dr. Altshuler emphasizes his objective approach, presenting facts for others to interpret. He remains open yet cautious about linking animal mutilations directly to UFO activities, suggesting that conclusions are subjective and based on individual interpretation of the evidence.
Dr. Altshuler describes several unusual findings in these cases, which are difficult to explain with current scientific understanding. He notes that many of the mutilated animals are found in remote, trackless areas, often without any signs of predator or human tracks nearby, despite the ground conditions.
A significant point of discussion is the condition in which these animals are found. Many are discovered in a relatively bloodless state, despite the large volume of blood typically found in cattle. This is intriguing because the animals show signs of precise cuts, particularly around the anal and genital areas, with evidence of heat application, suggesting a sharp, heat-based tool was used. These cuts are so precise and clean that they leave the surrounding tissue and bones intact, a feat difficult to achieve with conventional methods.
Dr. Altshuler also touches upon the challenges in determining the cause of death in these cases. While some incisions could be lethal, such as those on the neck, the lack of blood at the scene remains a mystery. He expresses skepticism about the ability to perform such precise and clean operations in a short time frame, given his own experience in removing flesh from bone tissue for anatomical studies.
Dr. Altshuler discusses the complexity of these cases, emphasizing the precision and cleanliness of the mutilations, which are often found in remote areas with no tracks or signs of human or predator activity. He notes that these findings are enigmatic and defy easy explanation.
Dr. Altshuler mentions that in some rare cases, animals have survived briefly after tissue samples were taken, but he personally has not encountered such instances. The conversation shifts to the nature of the samples taken from the animals. Dr. Altshuler observes that the samples are uniform, particularly around the genital and anal areas, and often include the removal of the tongue and parts of the jaw. The precision of these cuts leads to speculation about their purpose, with some suggesting the possibility of genetic research or alien intervention.
Addressing these theories, Dr. Altshuler comments on the uniformity of the genetic code across different tissues, making it unclear why specific areas are targeted if the intent is genetic research. He expresses skepticism about claims of dissections at the cellular level, noting that while such precision would be remarkable, he has not personally seen evidence of it.
The discussion also touches on various theories about the causes of these mutilations, ranging from predators to federal research. Dr. Altshuler is skeptical of the predator theory in many cases due to the nature of the mutilations. He also explores the possibility of cult activities, noting that while there have been cases linked to cults, the precision and speed required for these mutilations make it unlikely that they are solely the work of human hands.
Dr. Altshuler highlights the challenges in investigating these cases, particularly the reluctance of ranchers and farmers to report incidents due to economic losses and a desire to avoid publicity. When such cases are reported, they are usually to law enforcement or veterinarians.
Dr. Altshuler shares an experience where he was called to investigate a horse mutilation case north of Denver. At the veterinary college where the animal was taken, he found interesting findings on the tissue samples, particularly around the jawbone. However, he faced obstacles in his investigation. The chairman of the department of pathology at the college concluded that the horse died of colic, a common digestive issue in horses, without conducting a thorough microscopic examination. This response surprised Dr. Altshuler, especially coming from a senior pathologist.
Reflecting on his own experiences and the attitudes of others in the field, Dr. Altshuler acknowledges the fear and threat of ridicule that professionals face when dealing with such unusual cases. He relates this to his own hesitance in the past and understands the reluctance of others to delve deeply into these mysteries.
Dr. Altshuler also recounts an incident where he was invited to speak about animal mutilations in a major city outside Colorado. He presented data, photographs, and medical findings, allowing the audience to draw their own conclusions while guiding them with the information he provided.
Dr. Altshuler discusses his experience presenting on animal mutilations at a professional workshop. Initially, he was apprehensive about the reception of his topic, expecting minimal interest. However, to his surprise, the workshop was packed with attendees, and many physicians approached him afterwards to share their own experiences with similar cases. This response was a revelation for Dr. Altshuler, making him feel more accepted among his colleagues.
Dr. Altshuler emphasizes the importance of presenting data and findings without imposing conclusions, allowing others to form their own opinions. He acknowledges the potential career risks for professionals who openly discuss or investigate such unconventional topics, as it could lead to a loss of credibility in their field.
The segment then transitions to a news break, where various current events are discussed, including President Clinton’s return from a European trip, the ongoing peace talks between Syria and Israel, the Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan incident, a hostage situation in Los Angeles, a potential Beatles reunion, and updates from the world of sports, including NFL playoffs and the AFC championship game. Additionally, there’s mention of a tentative contract agreement at a General Motors assembly plant in Shreveport, Louisiana, and the identification of American remains from the Korean War.
Art and Dr. Altshuler continue their conversation, focusing on the reactions to Dr. Altshuler’s presentation at a professional workshop. Dr. Altshuler was surprised by the number of physicians who approached him after his presentation to share their own UFO experiences, although these were unrelated to animal mutilation cases.
Art then shifts the discussion to human abductions and their potential connection to UFOs. Dr. Altshuler confirms that he has looked into the human abduction aspect and believes both animal mutilations and human abductions are valid areas of inquiry in relation to UFOs. He emphasizes that he allows his audience to form their own conclusions about the relationship between these events and the possibility of unknown factors, including UFOs.
The conversation then turns to the frequency of UFO activity connected to animal mutilation cases. Dr. Altshuler estimates that around 50% of the unexplained cases might have some UFO connection, based on observations of unmarked helicopters and other unusual activities.
Art also brings up the phenomenon of crop circles and the molecular changes in crops associated with high heat, speculated to be caused by microwave energy. Dr. Altshuler comments on the similarity of these changes to those observed in animal mutilation cases. He explains that the tissue changes due to heat are virtually the same across different animals, regardless of the heat source. He notes that while it’s difficult to pinpoint the exact instrument or technique used, one can make educated guesses based on the nature of the burns or cuts observed.
Dr. Altshuler notes that while cattle are the most commonly mutilated animals, other species like pigs, dogs, rabbits, and deer have also been affected. He observes a cyclical pattern in these incidents, with periods of increase and decrease over the last 20 years.
Dr. Altshuler mentions that he is receiving more support from colleagues and mentions the Bigelow Foundation’s efforts to improve reporting and investigation of these cases. The foundation is instrumental in supporting research to understand the unusual nature of these killings.
A significant challenge in investigating these cases is the delay in reporting, which often results in Dr. Altshuler receiving information days or weeks after the animal’s death. He emphasizes the importance of immediate notification to reduce the time lapse between the discovery of a dead animal and its examination.
Regarding the hematology of the mutilated animals, Dr. Altshuler hasn’t been able to conduct immunologic studies due to the age of the blood samples. However, he has observed evidence of cooked blood in areas where heat has been applied.
An unusual phenomenon reported at mutilation sites is that predators typically avoid the carcasses of mutilated animals, which is atypical behavior. Dr. Altshuler finds this bizarre and cannot explain why this occurs.
Regarding the presence of human or alien activity around the mutilation sites, Dr. Altshuler notes that there are usually no tracks or indications of such presence. He also touches on the topic of hypnotic regression, used in some cases to recall events related to animal mutilations. He clarifies common misconceptions about hypnosis, emphasizing that subjects under hypnosis are in a state of heightened awareness and cannot be made to do anything against their will.
Dr. Altshuler discuss the complexities surrounding animal mutilation cases and the potential involvement of hypnosis in recalling these events. Dr. Altshuler acknowledges the possibility of confabulation under hypnosis and the need for skilled hypnotherapists to avoid leading subjects towards fabricated memories. He mentions cases where subjects under hypnosis have reported seeing animals being lifted into beams of light and then dropped, but he remains cautious about fully accepting these accounts without corroborating evidence.
The conversation then shifts to the topic of black, unmarked helicopters frequently seen in areas where animal mutilations occur. Dr. Altshuler and Art Bell speculate on the involvement of the government or military in these cases. Dr. Altshuler points out that while unmarked helicopters are often reported around mutilation sites, there is little evidence to suggest they are present before the mutilations occur, leading to questions about their role in these incidents.
Dr. Altshuler considers various explanations for government involvement, questioning the logic behind using public lands and animals for secretive operations when the government has access to its own resources. He also doubts the government’s ability to perform such precise mutilations without leaving traces of blood or using advanced technology to create burn patterns and bone mutations.
The discussion also touches on the theory that the government might be conducting these mutilations to sow confusion about UFOs and muddy the waters with misinformation. Dr. Altshuler remains open to the possibility of UFOs but emphasizes the need for concrete evidence and logical reasoning in these investigations.
Dr. Altshuler reflects on the vastness of the universe and the likelihood of other intelligent life forms existing. He remains open-minded about the possibility of extraterrestrial involvement in animal mutilations but admits he doesn’t have enough evidence to confirm or deny it.
The conversation then shifts to human abductions and the similarities with animal mutilations. Dr. Altshuler mentions cases where humans have reported scoop-like marks on their bodies, similar to those found on animals. He has not yet had the opportunity to examine such a biopsy but is interested in doing so.
Dr. Altshuler estimates he has examined around 30 to 40 animal mutilation cases since 1989, with the most common aspects being the heat type of incision and the missing blood. He notes that not all cases are unexplained; some show no unusual changes.
Regarding his work’s impact on his career, Dr. Altshuler is writing a technical book on the subject. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining honesty, objectivity, and credibility in his writing, acknowledging the challenges posed by sensationalism and the presence of less credible individuals in the field. He aims to present data that is reputable and undeniable, contributing to serious research in the area of UFOs and animal mutilations. Dr. Altshuler expresses a desire for collaboration with other researchers who have quietly conducted similar investigations.
Regarding the response he anticipates from the scientific world, Dr. Altshuler is unsure but hopes his work will encourage more involvement and study in this area. He notes that while many people have conducted examinations, they often keep their findings private. He welcomes the opportunity to review other programs and collaborate with credible individuals in the field.
Dr. Altshuler also hints at encountering certain aspects in his research that he is hesitant to discuss publicly or include in his book, choosing to hold onto this information for now.
The conversation then opens to questions from the audience. A caller inquires about any unique signatures related to the cooking of blood or the tools used in animal mutilations. Dr. Altshuler explains that while human technology leaves identifiable signatures, such as in gynecologic procedures using loops, the changes observed in mutilated animals are different, suggesting a different kind of heat application and possibly higher temperatures.
Another caller from Reno asks about the behavior of insects around mutilated animals, particularly whether they avoid the carcasses like predators do. Dr. Altshuler acknowledges this as an interesting point but doesn’t have a definitive answer, suggesting it could be part of the mystery surrounding these cases.
A caller from Henderson inquires about the helicopters often seen at mutilation sites, wondering if they might be controlled by the Navy rather than the Air Force. Dr. Altshuler doesn’t have a definitive answer but acknowledges that Linda Howe might have more insight. He mentions a rancher who shot at a helicopter, indicating the frustration and confusion surrounding these incidents.
Another caller asks about the geographic frequency of animal mutilations. Dr. Altshuler notes that while Colorado was a hotspot 20 years ago, the phenomenon is widespread, with reports from all over the world, including Europe and Asia, making it a pandemic phenomenon.
A caller from Yucaipa, California, asks if hypnosis revealed any outside influence on Dr. Altshuler’s decision to remain silent about his experiences. Dr. Altshuler shares that his hypnosis sessions were traumatic and he doesn’t recall any outside influence. He also addresses a question about whether he has been contacted by the “Men in Black” (MIB), to which he does not give a direct answer.
Responding to another caller, Dr. Altshuler confirms that a range of animals, including deer, have been involved in mutilation cases, not just cattle and horses.
A question about any strange smells associated with the mutilation sites leads Dr. Altshuler to note the lack of odor in these cases, which is peculiar given the normal process of deterioration after death. He cannot medically account for this lack of odor.
A caller from San Diego inquires about mutilations occurring to animals other than cattle. Dr. Altshuler confirms that other animals have been involved, but he defers to Linda Howe for more detailed information, as she has a more comprehensive record of such cases.
Another caller questions the lack of odor on mutilated animals and whether any experiments have been conducted to see if predators would eat parts of the carcasses if moved to a different location. Dr. Altshuler hasn’t personally tried this but thinks it’s a good idea. He recounts a case in Colorado where coyotes approached but did not eat a mutilated carcass, which he finds bizarre and worthy of further investigation.
A caller from California shares an anecdote about witnessing UFOs and suggests that the U.S. military is involved with UFOs. Dr. Altshuler doesn’t dismiss the possibility but doesn’t have direct evidence to confirm it.
Addressing a question about human mutilations, Dr. Altshuler refers to cases of scoop marks on people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. He speculates on whether human deaths have occurred under bizarre circumstances similar to animal mutilations. While he doesn’t have firsthand knowledge of such cases, he believes Linda Howe might have more information.
Firstly, he talks about the psychological effects of abductions, acknowledging that this has been extensively explored by other experts in the field. Secondly, he delves into the topic of alleged implants in individuals who claim to have been abducted by extraterrestrials. Dr. Altshuler expresses skepticism about these claims, citing an instance where he was unconvinced by a presentation of an alleged implant.
The show then wraps up with Art Bell thanking Dr. Altshuler for his insights and expressing hope for a future interview, possibly alongside Linda Howe. Following this, Art Bell announces the end of the “Area 2000” program due to funding cessation by the Bigelow Foundation and the increasing difficulty in finding guests of the same caliber. He invites listeners to express their feelings to the foundation and mentions the possibility of syndicating another program.
The program concludes with a reminder about the Bigelow Foundation and its focus on scientific discussions of UFOs and near-death experiences. The show ends with a transition to a segment sponsored by the Stardust Hotel and Casino.