The show begins with Art welcoming the audience to Dreamland, focusing on exploring human experiences beyond ordinary perception. Art introduces Linda Howe, a renowned expert in crop circles and animal mutilations linked to UFOs, who will report on these phenomena. The second guest, John Rhodes, will discuss the human-reptilian connection and underground bases. John mentions his research into ancient reptilian beings and their genetic and cultural links to humans, suggesting we are descendants of an advanced alien race. Art hints at future guests who support the idea of a previously advanced civilization on Earth. Art reads a letter from John, emphasizing connections between ancient serpent beings and humans. The conversation with John reveals his background, including a childhood spent abroad and his growing interest in UFOs and unexplained phenomena. John discusses how geological changes or intentional erasure might explain the lack of evidence for ancient civilizations, highlighting recent discoveries in subsurface exploration.
The discussion then shifts to the HAARP project in Alaska, which aims to heat the ionosphere and map underground tunnels and caves.
Art and John discuss the implications of underground exploration, mentioning advanced technologies like thermonuclear boring machines used to create tunnels. John refers to Richard Sauder’s research on this topic, which suggests these technologies can penetrate the earth and create vitrified, self-sealing tunnels. The discussion turns to the possibility of undiscovered underground civilizations or alien species, with John asserting that modern exploration has uncovered significant underground mysteries. They also touch upon national security concerns related to underground incursions, emphasizing the importance of mapping and understanding subterranean spaces.
John shares his personal experiences with exploring caves and mines, despite his fear of such environments. He recounts a specific instance near Las Vegas where he investigated a supposed reptilian outpost. John describes the challenging journey into the cave, noting a moment where he scraped his knuckles on what seemed like wet mud. He emphasizes the necessity of confronting his fears to advance his research. The conversation delves into the potential existence of hidden doors and tunnels, hinting at deeper secrets yet to be uncovered.
John describes an experience where he took a photograph in a cave and noticed a streak of light and no mud on his hands, despite feeling it earlier. He suggests it might be a hologram. Art expresses interest in including the photo in his book, and John agrees to share it. They discuss the claustrophobic nature of cave exploration and the phrase “as above, so below” in relation to UFO phenomena. John questions why certain alien species, like the Grays and reptilian beings, seem to have more interaction with humans and what historical references exist for such beings.
John delves into the Hopi Indians’ references to “ant people,” which might describe beings with large eyes and craniums, akin to modern depictions of Grays. He suggests these beings might come from underground. Art asks about the connection between these beings and UFOs, wondering if they are ancient humans or extraterrestrial. John posits that they might be an ancient species from the “tree of life,” with humans being a genetic offshoot. He believes in both divine creation and subsequent intervention. They touch on the antiquity of serpent worship worldwide, implying a deep historical connection to these beings.
John elaborates on the reverence of serpents in various cultures, noting that both positive and negative influences are associated with them. He mentions how the serpent is a significant symbol in many religions, including some Christian sects in the Appalachian Mountains where snakes are used in religious rituals to demonstrate overcoming evil through faith. He connects the serpent with divine beings in Sumerian texts and the biblical Eden, suggesting a link between ancient reptilian beings and human genetic manipulation.
As the show progresses, Art receives a fax from a listener and shares an update on recent seismic activity, noting an earthquake between Nevada and California. John comments on the increased frequency of earthquakes, referencing Hopi Indian beliefs about cyclical evolutionary changes on Earth. He highlights data showing a dramatic rise in lower magnitude earthquakes over a decade, suggesting an impending massive energy release. Art and John discuss the implications of these changes, touching on FEMA’s preparations for catastrophic events, including potential nuclear threats and natural disasters.
John continues discussing the potential existence of an underground civilization capable of influencing tectonic pressures. He likens this to acupuncture on a living organism, suggesting temporary remedies won’t solve deeper issues. Art shares a fax from a listener recalling a TV movie about aliens disguised as humans, which were actually reptilian and ate humans. John has seen similar media representations, noting how they often aim to make aliens appear either fearsome or benign, like the lovable ET.
John explains that the smaller Grays are genetically engineered intermediaries between reptilians and humans, designed to be less intimidating. He mentions movies like Stargate, which subtly link ancient human history with reptilian imagery. Reports of abductions involving reptilian beings being frightening and aggressive contrast with the more neutral portrayal of Grays. John believes Grays are a hybrid species, some naturally occurring and some possibly bio-engineered or robotic, lacking souls but fulfilling specific roles.
They also touch on the conditioning of humans through media and experiences to accept or fear these beings, suggesting a broader agenda at play. The conversation explores how these depictions might prepare humanity for future revelations about extraterrestrial life.
John continues to elaborate on the dual nature of reptilian beings, suggesting that just as there are good and bad humans, there must be good and bad reptilians. He touches on the potential influence these beings have had on human religious perspectives, questioning whether they are creators or if there is a higher creator beyond them. John mentions Carl Sagan’s book “The Dragons of Eden,” which discusses human intelligence evolution and references the work of neuroanatomist Paul MacLean. MacLean identified the “R-complex,” the most ancient part of the human brain, which is shared with reptiles.
John humorously dismisses the idea of humans acting like reptiles despite this connection. Art pauses for commercials before continuing the conversation. John shares a peculiar observation from Omni magazine about male iguanas being attracted to female owners due to identical pheromones secreted during the menstrual cycle. He links this to the ancient part of the human brain and embryonic development, suggesting a deep-seated connection between humans and reptiles.
Art raises a significant difference between mammals and reptiles: mammals are warm-blooded while reptiles are cold-blooded. John counters by noting that some paleontologists now believe certain dinosaurs might have been warm-blooded. He cites Dale Russell’s theory that a dinosaur species, if not for a catastrophic event, might have evolved into an intelligent bipedal reptilian being, resembling modern abduction reports of reptilian entities.
Art and John discuss various theories about the underground hum heard in different parts of the world. John suggests it could be related to ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) communication technology used by submarines or geological devices that use ELF to transmit signals through rock. He also mentions the possibility of natural crystal formations within the Earth altering these frequencies, causing sympathetic resonance in humans due to magnetite crystals in our brains, which act like natural transmitters and receivers.
John further speculates that the hum could be related to clandestine operations or implants triggering certain sounds. Art reads a fax from a listener questioning the genetic connection between humans and reptilians, given the close genetic relationship between humans and chimpanzees. John acknowledges the strong genetic ties to primates but emphasizes the ancient and dormant reptilian part of the human brain, known as the R-complex. He cites research by Paul MacLean showing that this part of the brain can dominate behavior, hinting at a deeper, more archaic connection.
John discusses how the reptilian part of the human brain influences behavior patterns such as hierarchy, territoriality, ritualism, and aggression. He notes the absence of abduction stories involving monkeys, contrasting with numerous reports of reptilian abductions. Art provides call-in information for listeners and raises a question about the impact of electromagnetic fields on humans, particularly given the natural magnetite crystals surrounding the brain. John agrees that humans are constantly exposed to various frequencies and suggests that living near power lines can be unhealthy.
They discuss the potential effects of electromagnetic fields, with Art mentioning studies showing higher cancer rates among amateur radio operators exposed to high levels of RF (radio frequency) energy. A caller from Oklahoma City describes receiving extensive drawings and cryptic writings from a friend who believes she is part alien, and asks for advice on how to handle this material. John suggests registering and insuring the documents before sending them to ensure they are not lost in transit.
John provides his contact information, including a mailing address and voicemail number, for those interested in sharing information or receiving research materials. He mentions creating a self-hypnosis tape for abductees who feel they have been affected but cannot afford professional help, highlighting his work in psychoacoustics.
John describes a self-hypnosis tape he developed with Helen Balcomb, a hypnotist in Las Vegas, which uses metaphysical tones corresponding with chakras. This tape is designed to empower individuals and help them recall their experiences, moving away from a victimization mindset. John mentions his commitment to helping people and encourages copying and sharing the tape freely. He emphasizes the importance of collective investigation and forwarding information to researchers like himself for better understanding.
A listener asks about small holes near the ears, and John shares a personal story about his daughter having similar holes, which were perfectly circular and symmetrically placed. He invites the caller to contact him with any related information. Another listener raises the possibility that abductees experiencing underground settings might actually be in underground structures rather than in spacecraft. John acknowledges this and mentions his own experience where he felt like he was in a structure similar to a Hopi Indian kiva.
As the discussion continues, Art notes the high interest and many questions coming in. John talks about reports of abductees seeing both reptilian beings and US military personnel in underground facilities, which opens up more complex considerations. He references the Christian story of the Garden of Eden, where the reptilian being was cast underground by God, drawing a parallel to modern abduction reports involving underground locations and reptilian entities.
John explains that many ancient religions, including the Hopi, speak of reptilian beings living underground. The Hopi refer to their ancestors as snake or ant people who took them underground during catastrophic events and brought them back to the surface through a hole in the ceiling of their underground world. A listener from Seattle asks how these beings survived the catastrophe that wiped out higher reptilian life forms millions of years ago. John suggests that their instinct would be to seek refuge underground, where natural resources such as fresh water, positive ions, oxygen, and radium for light could sustain life.
John recounts an article from 1909 about an underground city discovered in the Grand Canyon, which could house 50,000 people. He mentions a four-year search for evidence of this city, during which he found that records from the relevant days were missing, raising suspicions. He has also heard rumors about restricted areas in the Grand Canyon, possibly related to this underground city.
John describes ongoing negotiations to share his findings respectfully, especially considering the Hopi mythology associated with these sites. Art and John discuss the possibility of portals leading deep into the earth, akin to the old movie “Journey to the Center of the Earth.” John believes the earth has natural and artificial tunnels similar to veins and arteries, with certain areas like the Four Corners, Central America, and the Andes being rich in such tunnel systems. He also touches on reports of winged and non-winged reptilian beings, known as Draco.
John discusses the winged reptilian deity Quetzalcoatl, revered in the Yucatan and Mexico between 600 and 980 AD. Quetzalcoatl, a benevolent being, taught the Aztecs and Mayans science and the Mayan calendar, promoting peace over violent sacrifices. Some believe Quetzalcoatl was Christ reincarnate. John connects Quetzalcoatl’s presence to ancient circular ruins and the current UFO sightings in Mexico. He plans to attend the first international UFO congress in Mexico City, believing it could be a primary contact point due to the local population’s conditioning to UFO presence.
John notes that Mexico City sits atop the ancient Aztec city of Tenochtitlan, where Quetzalcoatl promised to return and redeem his people, similar to promises in other religions. Art mentions that Mexicans are becoming accustomed to frequent UFO sightings, indicating ongoing conditioning for potential contact. John reiterates the importance of a past history and future promise in all religions to maintain hope.
John provides his contact information again for those interested in his research materials or self-hypnosis tapes. He emphasizes his accessibility and willingness to engage with the public. A listener from Maui shares an abduction experience involving reptilians, highlighting the widespread interest and contact reports.
A caller from the Ozarks discusses an area in extreme northern California, near the Oregon border, where armed forest rangers cordoned off rugged terrain. John explains that there are rumors about Mount Shasta being a neutral base for various races and beings, including connections to ancient civilizations like Lemuria and Atlantis. These ancient peoples supposedly used a global tunnel system to escape cataclysms.
Art reminds listeners how to obtain a copy of the program, and John prepares to take more calls. A caller from Maui recounts their son’s experience with gray aliens showing him reptilian beings. John asserts that reptilians, like humans, can be both benevolent and malevolent, following the natural law of positive and negative polarity.
Another caller from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, discusses reptilian genitalia, noting unique anatomical features that could provide clues about abduction experiences. John admits he hasn’t studied reptilian anatomy in detail but finds the point interesting.
John discusses various topics with callers and responds to a fax about the reptilian brain, which controls basic biological functions common to both reptiles and higher vertebrates. The fax highlights that the major difference between reptiles and higher vertebrates is the affection for offspring, with reptiles typically abandoning their young. John agrees, noting that abduction reports involving people holding hybrid children could be related to reptilians studying human parental affection.
Another caller from Kansas asks about blackouts potentially related to the HAARP project, but John clarifies that these blackouts occurred before HAARP was operational. A caller from New Orleans references an incident where the military found a crashed UFO with reptilian occupants and human remains on board. John is unaware of this specific incident but acknowledges the possibility of such occurrences.
Art asks John if he would explore a portal leading deep into the earth, to which John responds affirmatively, though with deep prayer beforehand. Art then recalls an Associated Press story about sounds of human agony being recorded from a deep borehole in Scandinavia. John mentions that studies have been conducted to build underground bases as deep as 8,000 feet, noting that deeper levels might be safer from tectonic activity due to advanced tunneling technology.
John responds to questions about drilling deeply into the earth and reports of hearing human screams from such depths. He speculates that it could have been a collective imagination, although there were claims of having it on audiotape. Art expresses interest in having John on the show again due to the high level of audience engagement.
John explains that understanding what’s below us is crucial, yet difficult, because many natural and artificial underground sites are inaccessible and dangerous to explore. He emphasizes the importance of collaboration and caution when investigating these areas.
A caller from St. Louis shares a story about seeing small, four-foot-tall creatures near a cave in Creve Coeur, Missouri. The creatures, seen by brake light, had black eyes and hobbling movements, prompting the observer to flee. John advises against investigating alone and highlights the importance of safety.
Art asks John if he would consent to being abducted by aliens. John expresses hesitation, acknowledging the difference between discussing alien species and encountering them face-to-face. He believes in the power of calling upon one’s inner divine being to command an abduction to stop, emphasizing that people might initially give permission due to curiosity and lack of fear.