The episode from July 19, 1995, begins with Art welcoming listeners from around the globe. Art then introduces Alan Keyes, a conservative, pro-life former U.N. ambassador running for president. Keyes discusses his concerns about the Republican Party’s shift away from its pro-life stance and other moral issues. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining the pro-life plank in the Republican platform and criticizes other candidates like Dole and Gramm for their lack of commitment to this issue. Keyes highlights his grassroots support and calls for a focus on moral crises to address broader national problems. He also discusses the irrelevance of debating when life begins, advocating for recognizing human nature from conception.
Alan Keyes argues that human life deserves respect from conception, based on lineage rather than development stages. He dismisses pragmatic views suggesting that his presidential run is a long shot, asserting that the race is open and that early frontrunner positions, like Bob Dole’s, are weakening. Keyes aims to energize the Republican grassroots, focusing on pro-life and moral issues. He criticizes the corrupted concept of freedom that prioritizes convenience over responsibility, particularly evident in the abortion debate. Keyes firmly opposes abortion even in cases of rape, arguing that innocent life should not be punished for the father’s crime. He emphasizes supporting the mother without compromising the child’s life.
Alan Keyes believes that moral counseling can help a rape survivor avoid permanent psychological damage, regardless of whether a child is involved. He holds that incest should be treated the same as rape, where the child should not be punished for the parent’s sins. Keyes makes an exception for the life of the mother, citing the unalienable right to life. He emphasizes that while the state cannot force a mother to risk her life, moral counseling may guide her decisions. Keyes criticizes the misconception that two-thirds of Americans are pro-choice, arguing that many are pro-life with specific exceptions. He believes the pro-life movement includes various perspectives that work together.
Keyes disagrees with Pat Buchanan on immigration, supporting measures to limit illegal immigration while recognizing the importance of legal immigration to America’s heritage. He rejects the idea that immigration is to blame for America’s problems, instead pointing to internal moral corruption. Keyes also disagrees with Buchanan’s isolationist views, advocating for America’s leadership role in global affairs.
Alan Keyes asserts that America’s involvement with the World Trade Organization and similar entities results in an unacceptable surrender of sovereignty, which should be avoided. He criticizes the U.S. policy in Bosnia, advocating for lifting the arms embargo to allow the Bosnian government to defend itself instead of relying on ineffective peacekeeping measures. Keyes argues that the current policy encourages Serbian aggression by maintaining a military imbalance. He emphasizes the need for American leadership to act unilaterally if necessary, to correct wrongheaded policies.
During a break in the interview, Art Bell addresses some business matters before returning to discuss affirmative action with Keyes. Keyes criticizes President Clinton’s stance on affirmative action, calling it double talk. He points out the inconsistency in advocating for preferences without causing reverse discrimination and questions how affirmative action can exist without quotas. Keyes suggests that proponents of quotas now claim to oppose them due to public opposition but continue to support them in practice.
Alan Keyes supports initiatives that target disadvantaged individuals, such as low-income families and poor educational areas, rather than using racial or gender-based quotas. He believes affirmative action should focus on providing equal opportunities for disadvantaged individuals based on their needs and abilities, not on their race or gender. Keyes argues that this approach aligns with American principles of fairness and individual merit.
Keyes addresses whether a black man can be elected president, asserting that election success depends on the candidate’s alignment with the voters’ concerns and the nation’s key challenges. Discussing the ongoing Waco and Whitewater hearings, Keyes suggests that a significant revelation in the Whitewater investigation could create a political vacuum. He notes that most Republicans would prefer running against a weakened Clinton, but acknowledges that a new, electable Democratic candidate could pose a greater challenge. Keyes believes that regardless of the Democratic nominee, the party’s association with liberal, government-dominated solutions and high taxes would hinder their chances, giving Republicans a strong opportunity to gain control.
Alan Keyes suggests that the Waco hearings should seriously damage Janet Reno but not the president. He criticizes the focus on David Koresh’s alleged child abuse as a distraction from the real issue of whether the assault on the compound was justified. Keyes believes that President Clinton bears ultimate responsibility for the Waco disaster, either due to direct authorization of the assault or incompetence if he wasn’t involved. Keyes also highlights concerns that the Waco hearings might undermine gun control efforts, hinting at potential revelations making the government appear oppressive.
Keyes is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, arguing that the gun control agenda is based on the false premise that instruments, rather than individuals, are responsible for actions. He believes that gun control does not effectively address crime and views it as a misguided solution. Keyes attributes motivations for gun control to a combination of opposition to gun ownership, delusion about systemic crime control, and an agenda to disarm citizens, which he sees as a threat to individual rights.
Alan Keyes argues that the government’s efforts to control gun ownership are misguided and based on the false premise that instruments, rather than individuals, are responsible for actions. He believes that gun control measures do not effectively address crime and instead target law-abiding citizens. Keyes views the demonization of militias as part of a broader campaign against gun ownership, and he is concerned about the counterterrorism legislation that could infringe on political freedoms.
Keyes sees elements of libertarianism in his views, particularly regarding the balance of liberty and order, but he emphasizes the need for a moral foundation to rights. On the drug war, Keyes rejects legalization, arguing that it would exacerbate moral decay. He advocates for serious enforcement combined with moral education to address drug abuse, seeing it as a symptom of the country’s moral collapse. Keyes believes in a comprehensive approach to fighting drugs, focusing on reducing supply through interdiction and addressing demand through moral education. He stresses that the real solution lies in instilling a strong sense of self-discipline and moral identity in citizens, particularly the youth.
Alan Keyes emphasizes the importance of targeting both drug users and sellers, with a focus on stigmatizing users through measures such as revoking driving privileges. He discusses the acceleration of political and economic events, which he calls “the quickening,” and relates it to moral degeneration, emphasizing that many societal issues have historical precedents. The interview with Keyes concludes with a reflection on moral education as a solution to various problems.
Art Bell then shifts to discussing recent developments, including adding new affiliates to the network and updates on the Roswell incident. Bell mentions the growing interest in the Roswell film, which allegedly shows the autopsy of an alien from the 1947 crash. He shares reactions from viewers and Congressman Stephen Schiff, who finds the film intriguing and potentially significant, though he remains cautious about its authenticity.
Art Bell recaps his recent interview with Ray Santilli, who possesses the controversial Roswell film. Bell finds Santilli credible due to his unexpected discovery of the film while searching for early Elvis footage. He informs listeners how to view the Roswell photographs via his bulletin board or in the upcoming newsletter. Bell then revisits affirmative action, aligning with Alan Keyes in criticizing President Clinton’s stance of “mend it, but don’t end it,” questioning how affirmative action can exist without quotas or preferences.
Bell discusses the worsening situation in Bosnia, criticizing the ineffective response of the Clinton administration and the UN’s inability to defend “safe areas.” He describes the latest developments and tragic outcomes, expressing frustration with the international response. The show also touches on the Susan Smith trial, where a significant revelation was made by her ex-boyfriend about her troubled relationship and alleged affair with his father, contributing to the case’s complexity.
Art Bell continues discussing recent developments, including the Roswell film and how listeners can access the photographs. He recaps the latest in the Susan Smith trial, highlighting her disturbing confessions and the ethical question of executing people deemed insane. Bell shifts to the O.J. Simpson trial, noting the conflicting testimonies about evidence, which impact the case’s credibility.
A caller from Portland shares thoughts on drug policy, agreeing with Alan Keyes that addressing demand is crucial to solving the drug problem. The conversation moves to the Roswell photos and the speculation about the aliens’ gender, emphasizing that extraterrestrial beings might not conform to human sexual classifications. Bell encourages listeners to subscribe to the newsletter to access these photos and other exclusive content.
Art Bell discusses the story of a golfer who successfully sued a country club after being hit by her own ricocheting golf ball, questioning the logic behind such a lawsuit. A caller, Gerry from Minneapolis, comments on the Waco hearings, criticizing the use of a young girl’s testimony about being molested by David Koresh as a political maneuver. Gerry believes this testimony was meant to score points rather than uncover the truth and suspects the girl might be manipulated. Bell acknowledges that the testimony has impacted his view of Koresh, despite previous beliefs based on the accounts of surviving children.
Bell then shares news of a shooting incident in Los Angeles, where a city worker killed four colleagues. He reflects on how such events have become commonplace, losing the shock value they once held. Bell questions if society is becoming desensitized to these tragedies.
A caller named Dr. Bob, who specializes in molecular astrophysics, discusses the discovery of amino acids in molecular clouds, suggesting that extraterrestrial life may have carbon-based characteristics similar to those on Earth. He mentions that carbon is more abundant than other elements like silicon, making it a likely basis for life elsewhere in the universe.
Bell talks about the Waco hearings and the controversial testimony of a young girl alleging molestation by David Koresh. He compares this situation to the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), questioning why the authorities haven’t investigated them with the same vigor.
A caller from Wichita, concerned about a frequent caller named Leonard, wonders about the outcomes of the Waco and Whitewater hearings. Bell discusses the potential political fallout, noting that if President Clinton were ousted, the Democrats might present a stronger candidate, which could backfire on the Republicans.
Bell shifts to the Roswell story, mentioning that it’s gaining attention and promises updates. He recaps the first two hours of the show, including his interview with ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes.
Art Bell provides an update for new listeners, summarizing the discussion about the Roswell photos and the growing attention from the media and government officials. He reads a fax from a listener in Arizona who mentions that a New Mexico congressman requested the Air Force release the dissection films from the 1947 UFO crash, with the Air Force allegedly calling it “an experiment gone wrong.” Bell also shares comments from Congressman Steve Schiff, who finds the Roswell footage compelling but remains cautious about its authenticity.
Bell continues to promote his newsletter, which will feature the Roswell photographs, providing details on how to subscribe. He then updates listeners on the deteriorating situation in Bosnia, criticizing the concept of “safe zones” and discussing the potential for heavy bombing in response to Serbian advances.
Revisiting the topic of affirmative action, Bell questions how it can exist without quotas or preferences, as suggested by President Clinton’s slogan “mend it but don’t end it.” He then reflects on the Waco hearings, where a 14-year-old girl testified that David Koresh had molested her when she was ten, which affects Bell’s perception of Koresh, despite previous claims that surviving children were not molested.
Art Bell touches on the O.J. Simpson trial, highlighting a tow truck driver’s conflicting testimony about seeing blood in Simpson’s Bronco. Bell notes the significance of a police camera operator not seeing a bloody sock at Simpson’s home, which supports Simpson’s claim of being framed.
Bell discusses a recent shooting rampage in Los Angeles where a city worker killed four colleagues. He comments on the growing frequency of such incidents, which are losing their news value due to their regularity.
A caller from Bakersfield talks about gang activity in the military, which Bell finds incredible but acknowledges as possible. Another caller from Niles expresses outrage over the Susan Smith trial, where disturbing photos were withheld from the jury. Bell engages the caller on the topic of executing people who were insane at the time of their crime, exploring the complexities of justice and mental health.
Bell also revisits the Waco hearings, noting the controversial discovery of a grenade package that led to the ATF’s involvement. This segment continues Bell’s pattern of addressing a wide range of current events and listener concerns.
A caller raises the issue of grenade casings found at the Waco compound, to which Bell responds by discussing the legality and harmlessness of empty grenade casings. He shares a personal anecdote about a prank involving a fake grenade, emphasizing the reaction it elicited and his love for practical jokes.
A caller named Charlie from California praises President Clinton’s stance on affirmative action. Bell challenges Charlie to explain how affirmative action can exist without quotas or special privileges. The discussion becomes heated as Charlie argues that affirmative action involves setting goals rather than quotas, aiming to open doors for minorities facing discrimination. Bell counters by pointing out the inherent contradictions in the president’s position and questions the effectiveness of such measures.
The discussion on affirmative action between Charlie and DJ continues on Art Bell’s show. DJ argues that affirmative action is necessary to protect minorities and ensure they have equal opportunities, citing persistent racism and the need for fair competition. He points out that minorities often have to seek employment or contracts from predominantly white power structures, which can lead to discrimination.
Charlie counters by stating that all people, regardless of race, face challenges like nepotism and unfair treatment. He questions the need for affirmative action and emphasizes the principle that all men are created equal, suggesting that laws should protect against discrimination rather than enforcing preferential treatment.
The debate intensifies as DJ accuses right-wing individuals of only caring about their own rights and ignoring the discrimination others face. He stresses the importance of fighting racism and ensuring everyone has an equal opportunity. Charlie challenges DJ to name a segment of society where minorities outnumber whites and face discrimination, implying that affirmative action may not be necessary in such cases.
The debate on affirmative action between DJ and Charlie continues, with DJ emphasizing the systemic nature of racism and the need for affirmative action to ensure equal opportunities for minorities. He argues that white people generally control most of the societal power structures, which makes it difficult for minorities to compete fairly without some form of protection. DJ states that racism still exists and must be addressed to prevent discrimination in hiring and contracting practices.
Charlie counters by stating that all people, regardless of race, face nepotism and favoritism, and he questions why affirmative action should grant preferential treatment to minorities. He argues that the Constitution’s principle that all men are created equal should be the guiding standard, and implementing affirmative action only perpetuates division and resentment.
The debate becomes heated as DJ accuses conservatives of ignoring the realities of racism and only caring about their own rights. Charlie acknowledges the persistence of racism but insists that laws should focus on preventing discrimination rather than enforcing quotas or preferences. The debate concludes with both sides holding firm to their perspectives.
Bell then transitions to a personal story about his cat, Ghost, who was tragically hit by a car. After a difficult process of trying to catch and care for Ghost, Bell had to put the cat down due to feline leukemia. He shares how he later adopted another cat, Shadow, from an animal shelter. Bell encourages listeners to support their local animal shelters, highlighting the important work they do.
Art Bell continues to share heartfelt letters from listeners who were touched by the story of his cat, Ghost. One letter, written from the perspective of a white kitty named Snowball, describes a luxurious life with a loving adoptive mother and expresses sympathy for Ghost. Snowball suggests that Ghost might have been an angel kitty, sent to perform a good deed by bringing attention to the need for animal shelter support. Snowball’s letter ends with a donation to the Pahrump animal shelter, hoping others will follow suit.
Bell reads another short letter from a 92-year-old blind lady who, despite her limited means, found joy in listening to the radio and wanted to contribute to the cause. Bell thanks all who have donated and encourages more contributions to the Pahrump animal shelter in Ghost’s memory. He promises to take photographs of the new shelter area for cats once it is built and publish them for everyone to see.
He provides the address for the Pahrump animal shelter, emphasizing the need for support and expressing gratitude for the kindness of his listeners. Bell concludes by thanking everyone who helped make the new shelter possible, acknowledging that their contributions will save many animals.
Art Bell continues his show, expressing his fondness for a piece of music that resonates with him. He announces the final live hour and reminds listeners that some stations will repeat the earlier interview with ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes. Bell welcomes new listeners from Saint George, Utah, inviting them to call in.
A caller from Montana discusses the Smith murders, arguing that individuals should be held responsible for their actions even if they are temporarily insane. Bell shares his personal experiences of losing control and contemplates the responsibility during moments of temporary insanity. The caller believes in holding people accountable regardless of their mental state, suggesting that if people believe in reincarnation, the consequences in this life will lead to a fresh start in the next.
A caller from Utah, near Saint George, confirms that it’s his first time hearing Bell clearly on the new station. They discuss the Waco testimony, with the caller questioning the involvement of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) in a sexual abuse case. Bell explains that the ATF’s involvement was justified by alleged federal weapons and drug violations, which allowed the military’s participation despite the Posse Comitatus Act.
A caller from Carmel, California, George, talks about the origin of militias in rural areas during the Cold War era when farmers faced foreclosures due to overextended loans. The caller explains how militias tried to scare off sheriffs attempting to foreclose properties, hinting at the beginnings of organized armed groups in response to government actions.
Another caller from Chico, California, discusses the testimony of a 14-year-old girl in the Waco hearings who accused David Koresh of molestation. The caller emphasizes that there was no physical evidence to support the claim and questions the validity of basing opinions solely on accusations. Bell acknowledges that the testimony influenced his opinion but clarifies that it doesn’t mean he believes Koresh is definitively guilty. The caller argues for disciplined thinking, but Bell insists that he is entitled to his thoughts.
A caller from Carmel, California, George, discusses the origin of militias in the Midwest during the Cold War, focusing on the financial struggles of farmers and their resistance to government foreclosures.
Bell then talks with a caller from Santa Rosa, California, about the availability of his show on multiple stations, indicating a broad and loyal listener base. Another caller tries to bypass Bell’s intention of getting calls from Utah listeners, highlighting the challenge of managing a nationwide audience.
Sky from New Orleans calls to commend DJ from Phoenix for his earlier debate with Charlie, praising DJ for his arguments and suggesting that Charlie’s rhetoric may inadvertently help the conservative cause. Sky theorizes that Charlie might either be practicing for public office or is a stealth conservative.
David from the West of the Rockies comments on affirmative action, suggesting it was necessary in the 60s and 70s but is now outdated due to existing equal opportunity laws. Bell agrees that affirmative action was justified in the past but believes the focus should now be on equal rights and opportunity without preferential treatment.
A fax from Bryn Marie in San Francisco mentions being able to hear the Saint George station from there and shares a personal experience of losing control due to anger, relating it to the Susan Smith case. A caller from Ivins, Utah, celebrates the new station and talks about the mundane but satisfying activities of yard work.
Bell reads another fax discussing a previous interview with Ray Santilli, finding him credible and refreshing within the UFO community. The sender questions how Bell sorts through conspiracy theories to determine credibility. Bell explains that he tries to present the most credible-sounding theories, even if they can’t be firmly established yet. The fax also humorously questions why people say “tuna fish” instead of just “tuna.”
A caller from Reno mentions the Silver Legacy, a tall structure in Nevada, and suggests a title for Bell’s book, “The Art of Talk.” Bell acknowledges the suggestion but warns listeners not to flood him with book title ideas on air. Kevin from Phoenix, in another fax, critiques affirmative action as unconstitutional based on the 15th Amendment, suggesting that liberals are unbothered by such legal contradictions.
A caller suggests a title for Bell’s book, “Inside the Bell,” with a cover featuring the Liberty Bell and Bell’s figure inside it. Bell shares a story about an artist who created a piece of art for him and will design the cover for his book. The caller then discusses pricing discrepancies for CDs, pointing out that buying directly from the label cost more than purchasing locally.
Bell moves on to a call from Owensboro, Kentucky, discussing the O.J. Simpson trial. The caller questions the credibility of the defense’s video evidence, suggesting the prosecution will need to address discrepancies. Bell and the caller agree that O.J. Simpson should not testify, considering the risk of incrimination and Marcia Clark’s tough cross-examination skills. Bell predicts Simpson will ultimately take the stand because he wants to, despite his attorneys’ advice.
Another caller revisits the testimony of the 14-year-old girl at the Waco hearings, expressing skepticism about its authenticity and suggesting she was coached or coerced. Bell acknowledges that coaching is common in congressional testimonies but remains uncertain about the truthfulness of her story.
Art Bell continues discussing the impact of the testimony from the 14-year-old girl at the Waco hearings, noting that while it affected his perception of David Koresh, it doesn’t justify the government’s actions but does warrant concern if true. A caller from Noble, Oklahoma, recalls serving at Clark Air Base and reminisces about experiences there, highlighting the ongoing problems in the Philippines during that time.
Another caller, “Doctor Democrat,” discusses affirmative action, emphasizing that the Supreme Court did not abolish it but rather ruled against quotas and set-asides. He argues that Bill Clinton’s stance on affirmative action aligns with the Supreme Court’s decision, advocating for businesses to have goals to hire qualified minorities. Bell challenges this view, suggesting that Clinton is taking cover behind the Supreme Court and pointing out the inherent tension in maintaining affirmative action without quotas.
Bell reflects on the potential for societal division and unrest if affirmative action is mishandled, with the caller expressing concern about the impact on inner cities. The conversation underscores the complexity and emotional charge surrounding affirmative action policies.
A caller from Palm Desert, California, asks about a story involving a microphone lowered into the deepest hole ever drilled, where screaming was allegedly heard. Bell recounts hearing the story on the Associated Press, describing it as a mix of myth and truth, and concludes the call.
Art Bell wraps up his show with a conversation about the mysterious story of the deepest hole ever drilled and the eerie sounds reportedly heard from it. He mentions the hole was somewhere in Scandinavia, possibly Denmark or Sweden, and muses with the caller about how hearing such sounds might change one’s life. As the show concludes, Bell thanks his listeners, wishes them good night, and reminds them to tune in the next night.