1997-03-11 – Fred Bell – Time Travel

Show: Midnight In The Desert

Air Date: March 11, 1997

Guest(s): Fred Bell

Topic(s): Time Travel

Art delves into the intriguing realms of time travel and the Philadelphia Experiment with guest Dr. Fred Bell, a former NASA engineer, physicist, and expert in various fields. Art opens the show with a warm welcome to listeners from across the globe and introduces the new affiliate in Atlantic City. He expresses his long-standing fascination with time travel and the Philadelphia Experiment, setting the stage for an enlightening discussion. Dr. Bell, who hails from Laguna Beach, California, shares his insights on the nature of time, the possibility of time travel, and the concept of the astral plane, where one can explore probabilities and the past but not the predetermined future.

Art Bell and Dr. Fred Bell delve deeper into the astral plane and the concept of remote viewing. Dr. Bell attempts to clarify the nature of the astral plane by linking it to human consciousness and the body’s physical structure. He describes how the human aura, influenced by endocrine glands and their hormones, plays a critical role in shaping our perception of reality and consciousness levels. The conversation transitions to explaining how these hormonal changes affect the brain’s electrical currents, which in turn, manifest as the human aura visible in Kirlian photography. Art Bell shifts the discussion towards technological aspects, referencing the internet’s role in sharing information and displaying a photograph of a young lady’s aura, comparing its beauty to the Northern Lights.

Dr. Fred Bell further explores the concepts of energy, personality, and karma through the interactions of individuals and their auras. He elaborates on how the human personality is influenced by the magnetic exchange between people, which contributes to the development of karma through emotional energy exchanges. This idea extends to the collective energy of the planet, suggesting that the collective aura and energies of humanity impact the Earth’s balance and contribute to global issues.

The discussion then shifts back to the astral plane, where Dr. Bell introduces a hypothetical scenario to explain how individual beliefs and auras contribute to a shared afterlife experience or ‘heaven world’ within the astral plane. He describes the astral plane as an overlay of personal and collective experiences and beliefs that individuals encounter after death, based on their earthly beliefs and connections.

Dr. Bell also touches upon the concept of reincarnation and the soul’s journey through various planes of existence beyond the physical, likening it to the progression from atomic to subatomic particles in physics. This analogy aims to convey the complexity and depth of the spiritual journey and its interconnectedness with the physical world.

Dr. Fred Bell delves deeper into the mechanics of time travel, discussing his experimental approaches and theoretical understanding. He describes using technology to manipulate the frequency of electrons and protons in the human body to initiate a forward movement in time, albeit acknowledging the complexity and ephemeral nature of the future. Bell illustrates the limitations of time travel, explaining that altering past events, such as attempting to eliminate Hitler, would not significantly change the present due to the overwhelming influence of mass consciousness and the energy anchored in the current time.

Bell shares his experience of building a large device in his backyard in Laguna Beach, which he designed to facilitate time travel experiments. This device, which caused quite a stir in the local community and influenced natural phenomena, was based on principles he learned from his work with lasers and rocket technology. He explains that the device incorporated a large acceleration tube and utilized laser research techniques to manipulate energy for interdimensional travel, suggesting a complex interplay between physical and astral energies to achieve time manipulation.

Dr. Fred Bell elaborates on the construction and functioning of his time travel device, describing an octahedron structure with pyramids pointing upwards and downwards, forming a large tunnel through which energy is directed. This tunnel is surrounded by a Wimhurst machine or an electrostatic generator to create positive and negative charges, essential for the device’s operation. He mentions the device’s ability to generate up to a million volts of electricity, highlighting the complex interplay of capacitors and the Biefeld-Brown effect to manipulate matter and energy.

Bell’s description hints at similarities with propulsion systems described by others in the context of secret government projects, possibly alluding to anti-gravity or advanced aerospace technologies. He details how the device would interact with the human biofield, potentially aligning and manipulating the person’s energy fields and particles to facilitate a form of time travel or dimensional shift.

The inner workings involve a conductive coil within the tunnel that, when charged, creates a void rather than a massive magnetic field, drawing parallels to phenomena like the Bermuda Triangle. This sophisticated setup suggests a nuanced approach to harnessing and directing energies for time travel, blending principles from various scientific and esoteric disciplines.

Dr. Fred Bell continues to detail his experimental time travel device, emphasizing its complexity and the intense energy fields generated during its operation. He describes a specific experiment where, upon activation, the device altered the perception of time, evidenced by observing a car’s headlights appearing as distinct spectral lines, indicating a shift in the speed of energy relative to light.

Bell recounts the challenges he faced from the local authorities in Laguna Beach due to the unconventional and disruptive nature of his experiments. Despite initially managing to operate under the radar with the tacit approval of various mayors, regulatory pressures eventually forced him to dismantle his device. He notes the peculiar effects of the device’s operation on the surrounding environment, particularly on plant life, with a tree growing in an unusual spiral pattern akin to phenomena depicted in extraterrestrial encounter stories.

The personal impact on Bell and his assistant, Eric Powell, was significant, with Bell experiencing disorientation and a temporary alteration in his intuitive processes following the experiments.

Dr. Fred Bell discusses the aftermath of his time machine experiments, noting the disorienting effects they had on him, similar to those reported from the Philadelphia Experiment. He plans to build another time machine, this time designed to achieve flight to avoid materializing inside physical objects, such as mountains. Bell draws a connection between his experiments and the Philadelphia Experiment, which began as a military endeavor for radar invisibility during World War II but resulted in unforeseen and bizarre consequences.

Bell elaborates on the Bermuda Triangle, suggesting it’s a negative energy vortex created by an ancient civilization, which influenced the Philadelphia Experiment. He explains that minesweepers, made primarily of wood to avoid triggering mines but containing some metal, would become magnetized when navigating certain areas, like the Bermuda Triangle, contributing to the invisibility effects observed on radar.

Dr. Fred Bell delves into the technical aspects of his past experiments, which laid the groundwork for the time machine he built in Laguna Beach. He recounts his work at the University of Michigan’s Randolph Laboratory, where he engaged with powerful atomic smashers like synchrotrons and cyclotrons, repurposing their energy outputs for his experiments with high-voltage capacitors. Bell aimed to warp space and time by manipulating these intense energy fields, experimenting with coils and capacitors in an attempt to replicate and understand the phenomena observed during the Philadelphia Experiment.

His narrative shifts to the broader implications of such research, touching on topics like cold fusion and the pursuit of creating a laboratory-induced black hole or spacetime singularity. Bell acknowledges the potential dangers of these experiments, revealing that he became radioactive on a few occasions, underscoring the high risks involved in pushing the boundaries of known physics and engineering.

Dr. Fred Bell details his journey from early radiation experiments to his later career at NASA and current endeavors in health and environmental activism. At a young age, Bell was exposed to high levels of radiation during his experimental work, which he claims had no adverse effects due to his genetics. His work at NASA as a spacecraft checkout engineer involved ensuring spacecraft were ready for missions, despite his reservations about the efficacy of NASA’s technology compared to more advanced propulsion methods he was aware of.

Bell’s current focus is on reversing aging, mitigating radiation effects, and improving environmental conditions. He’s involved in creating nutritional supplements and is passionate about making the world a better place, temporarily setting aside his time and hyperspace travel interests. Bell also discusses his work with sound technology, using music to influence consciousness positively and exploring the therapeutic potential of sound, including frequencies derived from extraterrestrial sources.

In this segment, Dr. Fred Bell elaborates on his experiences with high-energy experiments and his family’s unique history. He discusses the laser’s role in his time machine experiments, emphasizing how lasers release photon energy from the astral plane, which was crucial for the machine’s function. Bell reflects on his adventurous and risk-taking life, acknowledging the dangers he faced in his experiments.

He shares intriguing details about his father, who was involved in relocating the London Bridge to Lake Havasu City, Arizona, and his great uncle, Alexander Graham Bell. Additionally, he mentions another relative, Glenn Bell, the founder of Taco Bell. Dr. Bell describes his family’s legacy and their contributions to various fields, showcasing a lineage of innovation and entrepreneurship.

Dr. Fred Bell explains his perspective on the acceleration of time and energy, which he associates with the Earth’s rotation around a central sun in the Pleiades, leading to transitions between astrological ages like Pisces and Aquarius. This transition, according to Dr. Bell, corresponds to a rise in the vibratory frequency of cells, influencing human consciousness and societal progression.

Dr. Bell also touches upon his connections with notable figures like Jerry Garcia and Timothy Leary, indicating his involvement in broader cultural and scientific circles. His discussions range from his theories on the quickening of events to his interactions with the music industry, including his relationship with the Moody Blues and his contributions to music that influence consciousness.

Dr. Fred Bell clarifies that the Philadelphia Experiment initially aimed at electronic camouflage, not teleportation or invisibility. He acknowledges the plausibility of such experiments, aligning with his own experiences in time manipulation technologies.

Addressing a caller’s query about the Great Pyramid, Dr. Bell suggests that the construction of his time machine and the pyramid could share underlying principles possibly inherited from advanced ancient civilizations like the Atlanteans. He mentions his dual education, including his self-taught experiences and extraterrestrial guidance, which helped him piece together his theories on advanced ancient technologies and their possible connection to contemporary scientific endeavors.

Dr. Bell also touches upon the politics surrounding archaeological discoveries in Egypt, hinting at hidden agendas to suppress the true origins of artifacts found in the pyramids.

Regarding remote viewing, he explains it as a practice not unique to modern times, noting that indigenous cultures, like the Apache, utilized similar techniques for scouting and warfare, indicating a long-standing human ability to tap into broader consciousness and perceive distant events or locations.

Dr. Fred Bell discusses the reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology, mentioning a craft utilizing a plutonium reactor to create a powerful non-polarized magnetic field for antigravity effects. This aligns with Bob Lazar’s claims about the propulsion systems he allegedly encountered at Area 51.

Dr. Bell also touches upon an experimental liquid that allows humans to breathe underwater, initially developed for Navy SEALs, highlighting the crossover between science fiction and reality in advanced military technologies.

Further, he discusses element 115, a material that supposedly generates a gravity wave when bombarded with slow neutrons, focusing these waves for propulsion. This material, brought to Earth by extraterrestrial visitors, could warp space and time, offering insights into interstellar travel technologies.

Dr. Fred Bell continues to discuss various topics with Art Bell and callers. One caller introduces a new perspective on the Philadelphia Experiment, suggesting it aimed at electronic camouflage rather than making a ship invisible or teleporting it. Dr. Bell acknowledges various propulsion technologies derived from reverse-engineered extraterrestrial crafts, including one that uses a plutonium reactor to create a powerful magnetic field for antigravity effects. He also mentions a propulsion system involving element 115, which generates gravity waves.

Another caller links Dr. Bell’s work to an old news story about antigravity devices and his connections with extraterrestrial beings, positioning him as a significant figure in the discourse around advanced technologies and extraterrestrial contact.

Art Bell reflects on his interaction with Dr. Fred Bell, acknowledging the challenge in categorizing him as either a groundbreaking scientist or a fringe theorist. Art Bell’s audience echoes this sentiment, with some listeners expressing admiration for Dr. Bell’s adventurous spirit in exploring unconventional theories and technologies, while others remain skeptical.

One caller highlights Dr. Bell’s discussion about advanced propulsion systems, sparking interest in the potential realities behind such technologies, possibly derived from extraterrestrial sources. The conversation broadens, touching upon topics like the Moody Blues and personal anecdotes from listeners, showcasing the diverse range of interests and perspectives in Art Bell’s audience.

Art Bell and his audience grapple with Dr. Bell’s claims, trying to find a balance between acknowledging his genius and questioning the eccentricity of his ideas. The discussion touches upon the nature of genius and eccentricity, suggesting that groundbreaking discoveries often come from individuals who operate outside conventional boundaries.

A caller introduces a philosophical perspective on time travel, referencing a short story about the government’s attempt to prevent a scientist from accessing an element that allows for time travel. This narrative echoes Dr. Bell’s assertion that he could only advance microseconds into the future with his experimental machine, eventually reaching a point where there was “absolutely nothing,” highlighting the limits and uncertainties of exploring such advanced concepts.

Art Bell reveals that the CBS news program “48 Hours” has shown interest in doing a feature on him and his radio program, “Coast to Coast AM.” The story unfolds with a mix of humor and frustration as Art Bell narrates the difficulties the “48 Hours” team faced in contacting him, mistakenly reaching out to another R. Bell listed in the phone book.

Additionally, Art Bell mentions an upcoming trip to Alaska, inviting listeners to join him and his wife, Ramona, on a cruise. The journey aims to provide an immersive experience for fans, allowing for interactions, photographs, and shared experiences while exploring the natural beauty of Alaska aboard a new cruise ship.

A caller expresses interest in the work of Steven Gibbs, suggesting parallels between his claims and Dr. Fred Bell’s discussions on time travel and related technologies. Art Bell expresses a strong interest in time travel and solicits recommendations for guests who can speak authoritatively on the subject, demonstrating his commitment to exploring cutting-edge and fringe scientific topics.

Another caller shares a personal story about out-of-body experiences, connecting it to the loss of family members and subsequent dreams that seemed to blur the lines between the physical and astral planes. The conversation takes a lighter turn as the caller humorously suggests visiting Art Bell via his ham radio antenna and peeking into his closet, showcasing the diverse and sometimes whimsical interactions that characterize Art Bell’s show.

One caller inquires about the essence of remote viewing, prompting Art Bell to provide a succinct explanation of the discipline as a controlled psychic practice that can view events across time. Another listener brings up a philosophical discussion on God’s nature, referencing a previous guest’s perspective, which Art Bell finds fascinating.

There’s also a discussion about the syndication of the “Coast to Coast AM” radio show, with Art Bell explaining how the show operates on a barter basis rather than charging radio stations for the content. This conversation segues into a discussion about the show’s market presence, its reach, and its standing in various locations, including Cincinnati and Rochester.

A caller shares her disappointment upon learning that her pet tarantula doesn’t exhibit affection in a human sense, sparking a light-hearted conversation about animal behavior and the nature of affection.

Art Bell then shifts focus to his large trucker audience, highlighting that despite the existence of specific trucker networks, his show attracts many truckers due to its unique content and approach. To prove his point and emphasize the strong following among truckers, Art proposes an experiment: for the next 30 minutes, he opens all phone lines exclusively for truckers to call in, showcasing the show’s popularity and connection with this particular listener demographic.

Art Bell focuses on engaging with truckers, opening his lines exclusively to them to discuss their listening preferences and to dispel stereotypes about truckers’ tastes in radio programming. He challenges the notion that truckers only listen to country music and trucker-specific networks, suggesting that his diverse and thought-provoking show has a strong following within the trucker community.

Truckers call in from various locations, sharing their views and confirming that they listen to Art Bell’s show for its unique content, indicating a preference for engaging and informative programming over traditional trucker radio fare. One caller from Oklahoma mentions that his drivers prefer listening to Art Bell over other options, using the show as a topic of conversation and a source of information.

Another caller from Oregon highlights the individualistic nature of truckers, emphasizing that they have diverse interests and listen to a variety of radio stations depending on their location. This caller’s experience reinforces the idea that truckers actively seek out Art Bell’s program for its engaging content, regardless of the radio landscape or stereotypes about their preferences.

Art Bell continues to engage exclusively with trucker listeners, gathering their insights on what they prefer to listen to while on the road. The callers, coming from various locations and backgrounds, overwhelmingly express that they choose Art Bell’s show over traditional trucker networks due to its engaging and thought-provoking content. The truckers appreciate the mental stimulation and entertainment value of the show, which keeps them alert and interested during long nighttime drives.

One caller from Portland mentions turning off the CB radio to listen to Art Bell’s show, highlighting the preference for engaging talk radio over music or typical trucker programming, which they find can be repetitive or sleep-inducing. Another caller, a former trucker turned night dispatcher, echoes this sentiment, noting that the variety and newness of topics on Art Bell’s show make time pass more quickly and keep the mind active.

Art Bell continues his exclusive dialogue with truckers, gathering their insights on radio preferences while on the road. Callers from various states and even Canada share their listening habits, overwhelmingly indicating a preference for Art Bell’s show over traditional truckers’ networks. They cite the engaging content and the show’s ability to keep their minds active and entertained during long drives.

Truckers call in from locations like Utah, Illinois, Michigan, Kansas, and Tennessee, each expressing their appreciation for the show’s diverse and stimulating topics. They contrast this with the repetitive nature of truckers’ networks, which often focus on country music and trucking-related content that doesn’t appeal to all listeners.

Several callers mention how they actively promote Art Bell’s show among their peers, suggesting a strong community aspect where truckers share and discuss their favorite programs. The conversation also touches on the personal preferences of truckers, debunking stereotypes and emphasizing their individuality in media consumption.

Truckers from across the country, including California, Pennsylvania, Wyoming, Nebraska, and North Carolina, call in to express their appreciation for Art’s show, citing its engaging content that keeps their minds active during long hauls.

One caller from Blythe, California, enjoys the show’s coverage of topics like Comet Hale-Bopp, while another from Pennsylvania finds Art’s program more stimulating than trucker networks. A trucker from Wyoming prefers Art’s show to music, which he finds can be monotonous or even sleep-inducing during late-night drives.

Truckers also share their strategies for staying tuned to Art’s show across different states, utilizing a list of affiliate stations or seeking clear signals from powerful stations. They appreciate the show’s variety and the mental engagement it provides, contrasting it with the repetitive nature of trucker-specific programming.

A caller from Medford, Oregon, praises the show for its entertaining and thought-provoking content, emphasizing how it has impacted his perspective on various issues, including extraterrestrial life. He encourages listeners to stay open-minded and critical of mainstream media narratives, suggesting that Art’s show offers a refreshing alternative that often delves into topics ignored by other outlets.

Another caller from Victoria, British Columbia, gets through after a long wait, eager to contribute to the discussion. He recalls a recent show featuring a prophecy and links it to an ancient prediction from Mother Shipton, highlighting the program’s ability to intertwine historical mystique with contemporary curiosity.

Art Bell acknowledges that while not everything presented on his show may be true, his goal is to explore the unconventional and provide a platform for ideas and theories that are seldom discussed elsewhere. He values the engagement and critical thinking of his audience, who are drawn to the show for its unique approach to exploring the unknown and challenging conventional wisdom.

A trucker from Pennsylvania, who also used to be a teacher, shares his enjoyment of the show and his reasons for choosing trucking as a career. Another caller from Arizona prefers talk radio over music for its stimulating content during long drives.

Listeners also discuss the visibility of Comet Hale-Bopp, encouraging others to observe this celestial event, underscoring the show’s ability to blend discussions on various topics, from trucking and astronomy to technology and conspiracy theories. Art Bell emphasizes the value of talk radio in keeping drivers engaged and mentally active compared to the repetitive nature of music.

The segment concludes with a caller reminding Art Bell that interviewing Dr. J. Allen Hynek would be impossible, likely due to Hynek’s passing, which underscores the show’s broad and engaged listener base, who are well-informed and actively participate in the dialogue.

A trucker from central California mentions observing Hale-Bopp while driving, highlighting the beauty of natural occurrences and their impact on people’s curiosity and interest. Another caller predicts an imminent earthquake in California based on unusual animal behavior and recent heavy rains, reflecting common beliefs about animal instincts and natural disaster precursors.

Art also addresses personal inquiries, sharing details about his wife Ramona’s heritage and their lifestyle choices, like their preference for dry desert air due to Ramona’s health conditions. This personal touch adds a relatable and human aspect to the show, allowing listeners to connect with Art on a more personal level.

A caller from Melbourne, Australia, reports on local weather anomalies and an earthquake near the Philippines, indicating a global trend of unusual climatic events.

Art also entertains a caller from Billings, Montana, providing information about the local radio station carrying his show, demonstrating the show’s widespread reach and Art’s commitment to maintaining a connection with his audience, regardless of their location.

The conversation delves into deeper philosophical questions when a caller suggests that the media’s focus on certain topics, like pole shifts, might influence public perception and potentially create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This idea sparks a brief exploration of the concept of reality and whether it is observed, created, or influenced by collective consciousness or media portrayal.

A caller from Alberta, Canada, brings up an interesting discussion about the potential change in natural colors to predominantly browns and grays in the future, referencing predictions made on the show. This conversation highlights the diverse range of speculative topics that engage listeners and provoke thought.

Art also touches on his curiosity about remote viewing, a subject that has been discussed in previous shows, revealing his personal contemplation about trying it himself. This openness about his own interests and hesitations adds a personal touch to the show, allowing listeners to connect with him on a more personal level.

A trucker from Tennessee calls in to share his preferences for radio content, reiterating the sentiment that truckers are not necessarily drawn to networks specifically targeting them. This conversation reinforces the theme of truckers’ independence in their listening choices, as well as the practical aspects of their on-the-road communication tools like CB radios and cell phones.

The discussion also veers into personal anecdotes, with the Tennessee trucker mentioning his interactions with a person he knows from the ham radio community, showcasing the small-world nature of these niche hobbies and interests.

One caller delves into the complexities of Hilbert space and its connections to Tesla’s work, reflecting the audience’s broad range of interests and expertise.

Another caller inquires about the specifics of Dr. Fred Bell’s time travel claims, contrasting them with another guest’s perspectives, prompting a discussion about the feasibility and scientific scrutiny of such technologies. This conversation underscores the show’s openness to exploring speculative and cutting-edge topics while inviting critical analysis and debate.

Art also humorously engages with a caller who suggests a show focused on insects, highlighting their resilience and evolutionary success, which adds a lighter, yet thought-provoking, element to the discourse.

A radio DJ and trucker wearing one of Dr. Fred Bell’s creative necklaces shares his experience, suggesting a possible rejuvenating effect, which ties back to earlier discussions about Dr. Bell’s work and theories.

In the closing moments of the show, Art Bell signs off with his characteristic flair, extending his goodbyes from Austin, Texas, to Pahrump, Nevada, and humorously reaching out to Mel’s Hole and the Galactic Federation out in space.

Art’s sign-off, “Goodnight, universe,” beautifully captures the essence of his program—a platform that embraces the vastness of topics, from the terrestrial to the extraterrestrial, grounded in the high desert of Nevada but extending its reach far beyond.