Art introduces the topic of Bratislava Kafka, a renowned sculptor and hypnotist from Czechoslovakia who trained seven individuals to be his psychics, or “sensitives,” by keeping them in trance for 14-15 hours a day over 20 years. One psychic could predict death by observing the withdrawal of “soul fluid,” a substance they believed moved from the feet to the head before death. American psychic Eileen Jarrett also observed this phenomenon. As people near death, they often rally cheerfully, which some attribute to the body’s release of protective endorphins. The conversation shifts to a new form of photography developed in Russia that uses electricity to capture images of energy, such as the “corona” around living objects. This method, claimed to be second only to X-ray in medical diagnostics, shows energy changes with health and emotions. They discuss how this photography tracks energy leaving the body at death and how it relates to near-death experiences, with light seen moving away from the body.
Art then transitions to UFOs, mentioning a recent surge in sightings in Phoenix and discussing astronaut and cosmonaut reports on UFOs, suggesting much of this information is kept under wraps. The show hints at explosive material regarding cosmonauts’ experiences with UFOs.
Art continues by discussing the uncovering of significant UFO-related material from the Soviet era, now accessible due to the collapse of the regime. He mentions that as early as 1989, aliens reportedly landed in Bornea, a Russian city, causing widespread panic and leading to a thorough investigation by top scientists. The event, although reported by TASS and featured in the New York Times, was largely ignored in the West. The conversation shifts to Hungary, where the Minister of Defense publicly released top-secret UFO files, including his own UFO sighting and reports of UFOs conducting surveillance over military installations, affecting guards with sickness-inducing beams. Furthermore, cosmonauts have revealed details about observing extraterrestrial crafts in near-Earth orbit, supported by photographs and recordings.
Colonel Marina Popova, a jet pilot and wife of famous cosmonaut Viktor Popovich, has disclosed many documented reports and tapes of cosmonauts in space stations, some detailing interactions with UFOs. Art mentions the upcoming Mars probe set to land on July 4th and questions its success, considering potential mishaps. He then introduces the guests, Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder, authors of “Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain,” reflecting on their experiences in Russia during the Cold War and the challenges they faced in smuggling out sensitive material, often using diplomatic pouches.
Art continues by discussing the uncovering of significant UFO-related material from the Soviet era, now accessible due to the collapse of the regime. He mentions that as early as 1989, aliens reportedly landed in Bornea, a Russian city, causing widespread panic and leading to a thorough investigation by top scientists. The event, although reported by TASS and featured in the New York Times, was largely ignored in the West. The conversation shifts to Hungary, where the Minister of Defense publicly released top-secret UFO files, including his own UFO sighting and reports of UFOs conducting surveillance over military installations, affecting guards with sickness-inducing beams. Furthermore, cosmonauts have revealed details about observing extraterrestrial crafts in near-Earth orbit, supported by photographs and recordings.
Colonel Marina Popova, a jet pilot and wife of famous cosmonaut Viktor Popovich, has disclosed many documented reports and tapes of cosmonauts in space stations, some detailing interactions with UFOs. Art mentions the upcoming Mars probe set to land on July 4th and questions its success, considering potential mishaps. He then introduces the guests, Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder, authors of “Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain,” reflecting on their experiences in Russia during the Cold War and the challenges they faced in smuggling out sensitive material, often using diplomatic pouches.
During the Cold War, a conference attended by about 200 people from communist countries and eight Westerners was abruptly interrupted by Pravda, causing it to be moved to the Czech embassy. Soviet scientists repeatedly emphasized that these psychic powers should be used for good, not as biological weapons. The guests recount how difficult and dangerous it was to obtain and smuggle out sensitive materials, often using diplomatic pouches and hiding manuscripts in flower arrangements. Some Americans who followed their initial work faced severe repercussions, including exile and denial of academic degrees.
Art inquires if they’ve returned to Russia post-Cold War, to which they respond that they were advised against it due to being labeled as anti-Soviet warmongers. They discuss friends who managed to leave Russia, some settling in Greece or visiting the US. The conversation shifts to Richard Hoagland’s claims about artificial structures on the moon, which align with Russian analyses. Soviet probe Luna 9 sent back photographs revealing what appear to be landing runways and obelisks arranged similarly to the pyramids of Egypt.
Art is astonished at how much more the Russians seem to have revealed compared to the US government, despite being a closed society. The guests explain that Russian oceanographer Dr. Vladimir, a UFO phenomenon expert, obtained unreleased material about American astronauts, including a claim that Neil Armstrong saw two large mysterious objects watching them during the moon landing. However, Armstrong and other astronauts publicly deny such sightings.
Art discusses Dr. Edgar Mitchell’s ambiguous stance on UFOs, noting Mitchell’s belief in convincing private information despite his public skepticism. They explore how over 100 witnesses with “smoking gun evidence” are ready to testify before Congress. The guests highlight the contrast between the open Soviet discussions on UFOs and the secrecy in the US. In Russia, UFOs were often seen as benevolent forces, with professors from the University of Moscow even suggesting UFOs would prevent human self-destruction. The Soviets conducted serious archaeological work, hypothesizing that ancient structures might have extraterrestrial origins, a concept popularized by Erich von Däniken.
The conversation shifts to the ethical differences in research between the US and USSR, with the latter engaging in morally questionable experiments, such as trying to influence or harm individuals at a distance. This led to a rebellion among scientists who refused to participate in inhumane experiments, resulting in their dismissal. Art wonders about the possibility of long-distance assassination, mentioning Saddam Hussein, and discusses the extensive Soviet research on remote influence, including inducing trances and manipulating people’s movements over long distances. Notably, Soviet psychic Wolf Messing demonstrated such abilities, influencing guards to gain access to Stalin’s dungeon. The guests mention that while they didn’t meet those involved in these experiments, it’s clear that such research was ongoing.
Art delves into the revelations by KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin, who disclosed that Russian scientists had developed psychic warfare devices with a massive budget, aimed at creating exotic weapons unfamiliar to the West. This technology could influence people remotely, potentially contributing to violent events and assassinations in the US. The Russians were particularly adept at mind control, using signals over telephones to create “Manchurian candidates” with multiple personalities. The US also explored similar technologies, such as beaming microwaves to induce fear, anxiety, insomnia, or even cause cerebral thrombosis.
The discussion shifts to concerns about the current whereabouts of these weapons post-Soviet Union. Art asserts that Russia remains a closed society with new leadership but the same underlying secrecy. They recall Dr. Sidney Gottlieb’s testimony about microwaves affecting Nixon’s party during a visit to Russia. Art mentions the US Stargate program, which spent $20 million on remote viewing but was likely dwarfed by Russian efforts. Influencing political decisions through these means would be of great strategic value.
The guests, Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder, authors of “Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain,” describe how Russian scientists advanced psychic research without ethical constraints. They promote their book, providing a contact number for interested readers, and reflect on the extensive research and years spent studying Russia and its psychic programs, aided by Sheila’s knowledge of the Russian language.
During a congressional hearing, Sheila and Lynn met a man who claimed to have worked on the CIA’s bio-magnetic desk, investigating Soviet psychic phenomena. The guests reflect on their extensive research and ongoing contacts, with Sheila’s Russian language skills proving invaluable. They discuss how Russians are generally more open about psychic phenomena, contrasting with the skepticism and ridicule often encountered in the US. This openness is partly due to Russia’s ancient cultural beliefs, which persisted even during communism, and many top Russian scientists had personal or familial experiences with psychic phenomena.
The conversation shifts to Russian studies on healers, where scientists used Kirlian photography to validate genuine healers by photographing their auras. They discovered that genuine healers could enhance the aura of wheat, an experiment that helped identify potential healers. As they prepare to take calls, a listener shares an experience involving a mysterious drop of fluid appearing during a relative’s respiratory failure, which left a permanent mark on a sweatshirt. The guests acknowledge that such phenomena have been reported historically but offer no definitive explanation.
Tony from Las Vegas questions why psychics don’t reveal detailed information about advanced technologies or extraterrestrial beings. The guests suggest that while some remote viewers have tried, there’s no reliable way to verify such claims. They emphasize their interest in the scientific work conducted in Russia, which provides a more credible foundation for exploring these phenomena.
During the call-in segment, a listener named Jack from Florida asks about the effectiveness of super learning techniques and whether they involve hypnosis. Sheila and Lynn explain that super learning, inspired by their trip to Russia, involves using suggestion instead of hypnosis, developed by a Bulgarian psychiatrist named Dr. Lozanov. This method allows people to learn faster and retain information longer, often using slow baroque music to balance the body and enhance the mind.
They mention that while deep hypnosis can be used to enhance learning, it is not practical for classroom settings. Instead, suggestion in a waking state, known as suggestology, is preferred as it is more effective and safer. Another related technique, artificial reincarnation, developed by a psychiatrist named Rykov in Moscow, involved putting people into deep hypnosis and having them believe they were historical figures like Rembrandt, which temporarily enhanced their artistic abilities. Over time, these abilities would integrate into their conscious skills.
Art inquires whether this technique taps into the actual spirit of these historical figures or simply unleashes latent talents. The guests suggest it’s likely the latter, where hypnosis helps remove mental blocks, allowing natural talents to emerge. They also note that this technique has been used in various contexts, including treating alcoholics and potentially reprogramming dissidents.
A listener recalls reading “Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain” over 40 years ago, which described experiments like taking a mother rabbit in a submarine and killing her babies one by one, causing her extreme distress, and another where plants reacted to the presence of a person who had previously harmed one of them. Sheila and Lynn explain that their current book is an abridgment of that earlier work, with additional information made available after the collapse of the Soviet regime. They mention secret labs in remote locations like Kazakhstan and Siberia, where incredible but previously unknown research was conducted.
Another listener from Alaska shares her experience hosting a Russian laser physicist who had previously worked at a military institute in Leningrad. Sheila and Lynn discuss the theoretical nature of much of the laser work and the practical applications of psychic research, including military uses and more benign purposes like healing and understanding telepathy. They emphasize that despite the government’s sinister motives, many Russian scientists were genuinely good people dedicated to beneficial research.
Art highlights the irony that research initially funded for questionable purposes has provided insights into the non-material, spiritual aspects of human existence. The discussion reflects on how the findings from these experiments have broader implications beyond their original intent.
The discussion shifts to the interconnectedness of all living things, a concept supported by many religions and reflected in the golden rule. Art mentions that despite the military and scientific focus, these studies often point to the spiritual nature of humans and the potential for societal transformation through connecting conscious and unconscious minds.
A caller named Walter asks about the government’s evidence of God’s existence. The guests express skepticism about channeling God, noting the potential for fraud. They suggest that some people might access knowledge beyond normal consciousness, but the distinction between divine inspiration and other forms of knowledge is unclear.
Another caller, Kate from Maine, shares observations from her time in Bulgaria, where Orthodox religion coexisted comfortably with folk cures, astrology, and psychic practices. She mentions feeling paranoid about her office being tampered with and asks about recent UFO sightings. The guests confirm that similar craft descriptions, such as boomerang shapes and shapeshifting abilities, have been reported in Russia and Eastern Europe.
The conversation touches on the famous Bulgarian prophetess Vanga Demontrova, who gave readings to prominent figures. Art notes that many astronauts hint at knowing more than they can reveal, often suffering psychological effects. He suggests inviting cosmonauts to the US to share their experiences, noting the financial hardships many Russians face.
Art discusses the possibility of arranging for cosmonauts to come to the US to share their experiences. A caller named Mike from Washington shares a personal experience of feeling a tap on his shoulder while thinking of his deceased grandfather and asks if it could have been real. Sheila and Lynn explain that such experiences are subjective, and while it could be real, it is up to the individual to decide. They mention electronic voice phenomena (EVP) as a method to communicate with the dead, which involves using a tape recorder to capture voices. Despite Art’s skepticism, they emphasize that EVP can be personally tested.
Another caller suggests a psychokinetic experiment using Art’s webcam, reminiscent of Uri Geller’s spoon bending demonstrations. Art mentions James Randi’s challenge offering a million dollars for proof of psychic abilities. The discussion briefly touches on Randi’s controversial role and the prevalence of spoon bending phenomena in Japan when Geller appeared on TV.
As the show wraps up, Sheila and Lynn provide contact information for their book, “Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain,” and share their email address for further inquiries.