The episode features retired Colonel Philip J. Corso and William J. Birnes discussing their book, “The Day After Roswell.” They delve into the aftermath of the Roswell incident and the retrieval of extraterrestrial craft and beings. Linda Moulton Howe shares her experience from 1983 at Kirtland Air Force Base, where she read a briefing paper detailing the recovery of extraterrestrial vehicles and beings in the Southwestern U.S. and Mexico. The narrative continues with Corso’s first-hand account of seeing an extraterrestrial body at Fort Riley, Kansas in 1947, describing its physical characteristics and his role in handling the situation. The episode aims to shed light on the conflicts within the U.S. government regarding UFOs and the secret war involving non-human intelligence.
Colonel Corso recounts how, after seeing the extraterrestrial body at Fort Riley in 1947, he filed the experience away, hoping for future validation. He instructed the sergeant to leave, cautioning him about potential trouble. The sergeant mentioned that the body was en route to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base from an airfield in New Mexico. Corso continued his duties without discussing the incident further. Linda Moulton Howe provides background on Corso’s distinguished military career, highlighting his service with General MacArthur and President Eisenhower. The conversation transitions to 1960, where Corso began working on classified projects involving alien technology in the Pentagon. William Birnes is set to discuss Corso’s decision to reveal his experiences and the complexities of the secret war involving non-human intelligence. The show explores the broader implications of these encounters, including concerns about spies during the Cold War and the integration of alien technology into U.S. industry.
William Birnes explains Colonel Corso’s rock-solid relationships within the U.S. government and military intelligence community, which allowed him to come forward safely. Birnes recounts Corso’s struggles and his decision to reveal his experiences, emphasizing the influence of Lieutenant General Arthur Trudeau, who released Corso from his oath of silence. Birnes also highlights the intense internal conflicts within the military and intelligence agencies during the Cold War, stressing the importance of keeping alien technology out of the hands of spies. The conversation underscores the broader geopolitical implications and the near risks of nuclear war due to intelligence mistakes.
The discussion further reveals that post-World War II, the U.S. military intelligence and civilian intelligence services diverged significantly. Colonel Corso was involved in Operation Paperclip, where German scientists disclosed that the Germans had extraterrestrial technology. This intelligence set the stage for the events leading up to the Roswell crash in 1947. The National Security Act created a secretive civilian intelligence service, the CIA, separate from military oversight. This agency was infiltrated by communist sympathizers, which only the military knew. General Trudeau, a key figure, reorganized Army intelligence and R&D, integrating UFO studies into foreign technology research. Corso, under Trudeau’s guidance, managed sensitive alien materials at the Pentagon. The episode suggests that Germans had access to alien technology before the U.S., adding a complex layer to the historical narrative.
The narrative continues with insights into how the Germans supposedly acquired alien technology around 1937, which deeply concerned the U.S. government. William Birnes and Linda Moulton Howe discuss the Army’s knowledge of German and later, Roswell-retrieved alien technology, and the FBI’s emerging reports of abductions in the late 1950s and early 1960s. During President Kennedy’s administration, internal conflicts escalated between the CIA, infiltrated by KGB agents, and military intelligence. Hoover’s FBI, distrustful of the CIA, began collecting reports of strange abductions and cattle mutilations, which were then forwarded to military intelligence. The military’s R&D divisions, especially under General Trudeau’s reorganization, became crucial in handling these reports and the alien technology.
Colonel Corso begins his tenure as Director of Foreign Technology at the Pentagon under General Trudeau’s guidance. The Kennedy administration, already under suspicion due to the controversial election and political deals by Lyndon Johnson, faces immediate tension with the CIA following the Bay of Pigs incident and the removal of Allen Dulles, further straining relations with the intelligence community. Amidst this backdrop, Corso is tasked with examining and developing a plan for the alien artifacts stored in General Trudeau’s office. Corso recounts discovering various advanced materials, including integrated circuit chips and a piece of metal with aligned atoms, which he believes have the potential to revolutionize technology. He describes forming a team to investigate these items and collaborating with industry leaders like IBM to understand and utilize these discoveries.
Colonel Corso describes his efforts to reverse-engineer alien materials by collaborating with private corporations. Despite their attempts, they were unable to replicate a piece of metal from Roswell, which had unique atomic alignment. Corso also worked on integrating alien technology, like integrated circuit chips, into ongoing research projects without revealing their origins. This included proposing development ideas to scientists and funding projects through official R&D budgets, not black budgets. He details interactions with industry leaders, such as IBM, and mentions significant advancements like fiber optics. Corso found various artifacts in his files, some possibly from another crash in St. Augustine, including a project labeled “Rainbow,” linked to early artificial intelligence research by John von Neumann. General Trudeau personally contacted many Fortune 500 companies to facilitate these integrations.
Colonel Corso continues by discussing the challenges they faced in replicating alien materials. For instance, despite their efforts, they couldn’t duplicate a piece of metal from the Roswell crash. He mentions how General Trudeau noted that developing the integrated circuit should have taken 250 years, but they managed it in five. Corso also highlights the discovery of a super tenacity fiber, which resembled a spider web due to its atomic alignment. This material inspired the development of flak jackets, although they struggled to produce enough spider web. Attempts to clone spiders were unsuccessful, leading them to explore other fibers. Corso describes the meticulous process of integrating alien technology into existing research without arousing suspicion, using standard R&D budgets. He reflects on the eventual fate of the materials, acknowledging that he has no knowledge of their current whereabouts, having handed them back to the Army upon his retirement.
Colonel Corso elaborates on various alien technologies, including a cutting device that emitted a red laser beam, which he later realized was used for surgical purposes by the aliens. He describes how he initially thought the device had dead batteries until it activated in a radiation area. Corso also found another instrument that measured brainwave densities, which activated under similar conditions. These devices were sent to Monmouth’s electronic labs for further study.
Corso highlights the significant role of integrated circuits and lasers, noting how the development of lasers truly blossomed around 1960. Despite these groundbreaking discoveries, Corso mentions that handling these artifacts was a secondary duty. His primary role involved overseeing budgets and special projects, including the development of anti-missile systems.
He discusses the direct energy weapons, capable of hitting targets at incredible speeds, which became a crucial project when they discovered that Soviet forces could alter missile trajectories mid-flight. This led to the development of weapons with unparalleled speed and precision, like the Star Wars program’s direct energy weapon.
Colonel Corso shares more about the integration of alien technology into various projects. He recounts how they experimented with an integrated circuit to power a three-wheeled cart using water. Senator John Glenn showed significant interest in this project. Corso also mentions Project Horizon, a military plan to establish a colony on the moon, which was ultimately taken over by NASA and shelved due to internal governmental conflicts and budget battles.
He describes how they developed advanced materials like super tenacity fiber, akin to spider silk, for flak jackets, although they couldn’t produce enough of the material. Corso highlights a hydrogen-utilizing process that did not convert water into gas but was still a liquid, and references discussions about flying saucers and related technologies.
The conversation shifts to the development of direct energy weapons, which were part of the Star Wars program. These weapons, capable of immense speed and precision, were designed to counteract Soviet missile threats. Despite these advancements, many projects, including the lunar colony, were discontinued due to inter-agency conflicts and shifts in focus from military to civilian space programs.
Linda Moulton Howe reads from declassified documents, highlighting the strategic importance placed on establishing a lunar outpost, emphasizing the lost potential due to political and budgetary struggles.
The discussion continues with references to Project Horizon, which aimed to establish a manned military outpost on the moon to support various military and scientific operations. This ambitious plan was eventually halted due to internal governmental conflicts and the establishment of NASA, which took over space exploration efforts. Despite these setbacks, the project highlights the advanced thinking and strategic planning of the time.
Colonel Corso also talks about his interactions with Senator John Glenn and other high-ranking officials regarding advanced technologies derived from alien artifacts. He recalls an integrated circuit-powered cart that ran on water and discusses the robustness of fiber optics technology, which has not needed replacement or further development.
A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the alien eyepieces retrieved from the Roswell crash, which were capable of intensifying light and providing night vision. These eyepieces allowed the wearer to see in darkness by highlighting the shapes of objects and people, a technology that was later developed into modern night vision devices.
Corso reflects on his experiences managing these projects and technologies, including the challenges and successes of integrating them into military applications. He recounts an inspection visit to a night vision lab, where he ultimately approved a $60 million budget for their work, demonstrating the practical applications and continued advancements resulting from these alien technologies.
Colonel Corso recounts further details about integrating German infrared technology into American projects, facilitated by German scientists like Wernher von Braun. He addresses the post-war division of German scientists between the U.S. and Russia, noting that the U.S. obtained higher-caliber scientists. Corso discusses the camaraderie among scientists and officers, which helped maintain secrecy, and mentions similar situations in Germany and Russia where scientists distrusted their governments.
The conversation shifts to the topic of time travel, which Corso discussed with Professor Herbert and others. He clarifies that while time travel was a theoretical discussion, he did not claim to have experienced it. This clarification counters attempts by media, such as Dateline, to discredit him by taking his comments out of context.
Corso also recalls his efforts to ensure the proper allocation of budgets to research projects, including a night vision lab inspection that resulted in a $60 million budget approval. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining and progressing with these advanced technologies, despite the political and bureaucratic challenges they faced.
Colonel Corso explains his motivations for writing his book, which stemmed from a promise to General Trudeau and a desire to leave a legacy for his grandchildren. He reflects on the secrecy maintained due to his military oath and the necessity of living with the profound implications of their work, similar to the mindset required in combat. Corso estimates that less than 5% of the alien materials were developed into usable technologies, leaving a significant amount still under research. He highlights the importance of studying the extraterrestrial beings more thoroughly.
Corso confirms that the eyepieces found in the Roswell artifacts, which were adapted into night vision goggles, were among the materials. These devices allowed soldiers to see in the dark, leading to the development of modern night vision technology. He emphasizes the need for practical and portable equipment for combat situations.
Linda Moulton Howe reads from Corso’s book, listing various advanced technologies derived from the Roswell artifacts, including image intensifiers, fiber optics, super tenacity fibers, lasers, molecular alignment alloys, integrated circuits, micro miniaturization, Project Horizon, portable atomic generators, ion propulsion drives, irradiated food, particle beams (Star Wars antimissile energy weapons), electromagnetic propulsion systems, and depleted uranium.
The book details advanced research and development projects initiated by Colonel Corso and General Trudeau, including investigations into the bismuth-magnesium layered material from a delta-shaped craft. This material, resembling a giant capacitor, enabled the craft to achieve incredible speeds and antigravity effects. The craft’s pilots interfaced directly with the vehicle’s electrical systems, essentially becoming part of the circuitry and controlling it with their neurological signals.
The tight-fitting suits worn by the pilots had fibers oriented similarly to the craft’s materials, allowing the entire system to function cohesively. This concept aligns with current research into thought-controlled devices and neural interfaces. Corso emphasizes that many technological breakthroughs, such as night vision, fiber optics, and lasers, originated from these alien artifacts stored in Pentagon file cabinets.
Linda Moulton Howe underscores the importance of General Trudeau’s Project Horizon, which aimed to establish a moon base to monitor extraterrestrial activity. This project was abruptly halted, possibly due to internal conflicts and budgetary battles. William Birnes explains that the military services were competing for a limited budget, leading to the creation of a civilian agency to streamline and control military research, ultimately sidelining some of these advanced projects.
The narrative continues with William Birnes discussing how civilian intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, played a significant role in the early space program, exemplified by Project Corona. This project involved using NASA missions to conduct surveillance overflights of the Soviet Union. The CIA’s involvement in NASA allowed it to control the space program and gather intelligence without direct military oversight.
Birnes highlights that the creation of a civilian space agency was a pretext for advancing military space missions, including the establishment of a military outpost on the moon. This outpost was intended not only to monitor Soviet activities but also extraterrestrial traffic, a fact kept from the American public by the CIA.
The conversation shifts to Colonel Corso’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee in 1962, where he discussed his experiences and knowledge of CIA activities. Corso recounts how he was initially reluctant to testify but agreed under the condition that his testimony would be delivered directly to President Kennedy and Attorney General Robert Kennedy. He shares his interactions with high-ranking senators and the subsequent meeting with Robert Kennedy, emphasizing the secrecy and sensitivity of the information he disclosed.
Colonel Corso describes his meeting with Attorney General Robert Kennedy, during which he shared his testimony and insights on UFOs and related government activities. Kennedy acknowledged the complexities and the reality of the situation, suggesting he had discussed these matters with President Kennedy.
At 82 years old, Corso reflects on the remaining individuals who could corroborate his story, noting that many have passed away or are bound by confidentiality agreements. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining secrecy unless explicit permission is given.
Art Bell and Linda Moulton Howe express their amazement and gratitude for the revelations shared by Corso. Howe highlights the significance of civilian efforts and the push from individuals like Corso to disclose classified information.