Art opens the show with a greeting from the high desert, mentioning the numerous time zones the program covers. He introduces John Kirby, a guest from Portland, who will share audio clips related to the Roswell incident. Art hints that the night will be historic and engaging, with the possibility of the Roswell case being discussed in depth. After Kirby’s segment, open lines will follow for any topic the listeners wish to discuss.
John Kirby talks about his background in electrical engineering and his involvement in UFO investigations since 1991. He has collaborated with notable figures like Kevin Randall and Don Schmitt and has participated in investigations and TV productions related to UFOs, including trips to Roswell and Area 51. He shares his experience working on the Larry King special from Area 51, highlighting the challenges and unique moments from the production.
Kirby also discusses the Air Force’s report on the Roswell incident, which attributes the sightings to a 1956 airplane crash and a 1959 balloon mishap involving test dummies. He expresses skepticism about the explanation, drawing a parallel to the vivid memories people have of significant events, such as the assassination of President Kennedy. Kirby suggests that such explanations are a stretch and do not align with the strong, clear memories people have of the Roswell incident.
Art and John Kirby continue their discussion, with Kirby expressing sympathy for the Air Force colonel who had to present the official Roswell report. Kirby mentions his conversations with Lt. Colonel Captain McAndrew, who genuinely believes the Roswell event didn’t happen. Kirby remains skeptical, emphasizing that many witnesses’ accounts haven’t been fully considered. They discuss the recent 50th-anniversary coverage of Roswell, noting that media often focuses on the sensational rather than substantive aspects. Kirby criticizes a Nightline segment for introducing Roswell as a myth, which he feels undermines the credibility of the story and those involved.
Kirby recounts a presentation by Paul Davids about a piece of alleged Roswell wreckage, which some claim to have proven as non-terrestrial through isotopic analysis. Art and Kirby agree that such findings need thorough scientific validation. The conversation shifts to the Mars Pathfinder mission, where Kirby acknowledges the remarkable technology and praises NASA’s openness in sharing real-time data with the public, noting the mission’s success in capturing global interest.
John Kirby begins to discuss the firsthand witnesses of the Roswell incident. He mentions conversations with key figures such as Walter Haut, who issued the press release about the captured flying saucer, and Frank Kaufmann, who claimed to have been part of the cleanup operation at the crash site. Jesse Marcel Jr., the son of Major Jesse Marcel, is also featured, recalling his father bringing home debris from the site. Kirby has obtained a rare tape of a conversation between Jesse Sr. and Jr. discussing the event.
Additionally, Kirby highlights a conversation with Colonel Thomas Dubose, who admitted the weather balloon story was a cover, and Major Edwin Easley, who remained bound by secrecy about the incident. Art and Kirby reflect on the historical significance of these recordings and prepare to play them for the audience. Before diving into the tapes, Kirby provides a brief history of the Roswell incident, detailing the events from June 26, 1947, when pilot Kenneth Arnold coined the term “flying saucer,” to the July 8, 1947, press release confirming the capture of a flying saucer.
Kirby discusses the peculiarities of the Air Force’s explanations, noting the inconsistency in their timeline compared to the actual events of 1947. Art expresses his puzzlement over this discrepancy. Kirby explains the Air Force’s attempt to link the Roswell incident to a weather balloon crash and later experiments involving bodies, despite the lack of reports of parachutes or alien bodies at the time.
Art and Kirby then discuss the future of the Roswell investigation, with Kirby revealing that new witnesses are still coming forward, although it is challenging to find concrete records. They touch on the activities at Area 51, with Kirby mentioning Bob Lazar’s claims about testing recovered flying saucers at a nearby site called S4. Kirby finds Lazar’s consistency and detailed descriptions credible, although he acknowledges the possibility of misinformation.
The conversation shifts to Colonel Corso’s interview, where Corso claimed that flying saucers were driven by capacitors. Art finds this information fascinating and plans to delve deeper into it. As the show heads to a break, Art prepares the audience for more intriguing revelations, including some never-before-heard information that could potentially close off the Roswell discussion for a while.
Kirby returns to discuss the events of July 8, 1947, when the Roswell Daily Record published a headline about the Roswell Army Airfield capturing a flying saucer. Walter Haut, who issued the press release under orders from General Ramey, is highlighted as a significant figure in the event. Kirby plays excerpts from a recent conversation with Haut, who shares his journey from high school to becoming the public relations officer at Roswell Army Airfield. Haut describes his military service, including his missions against Japan and his transition back to civilian life before taking on his role at Roswell.
Art and Kirby discuss Haut’s credibility and the quality of the personnel involved in the Roswell incident. Haut’s recounting emphasizes that he was not a professional PR person, which Art finds relatable based on his own experience in the Air Force. They laugh at the typical military approach of assigning duties regardless of prior knowledge or experience. Kirby further explores Haut’s autonomy in his role, debunking the notion that Haut might have issued the press release on his own without authorization.
Kirby continues to delve into Walter Haut’s recounting of events at Roswell. Haut explains that Roswell Army Airfield was unique due to its capability of carrying and dropping atomic bombs, which was significant at the time. He describes receiving a press release from Colonel Blanchard, which he was instructed to deliver to local media. Haut emphasizes that the task seemed routine, and he wasn’t aware of the profound implications at that moment.
Art and Kirby discuss the peculiar nonchalance Haut had towards delivering the press release about capturing a flying saucer. Art questions why such a significant event was treated so casually. Kirby suggests that perhaps people were accustomed to reports of flying discs at the time, reducing the perceived impact of the news.
Haut clarifies that he had no additional information beyond the press release and never saw any debris or bodies associated with the incident. He doesn’t recall any unusual activity or increased traffic at the base, which Art and Kirby find curious but not necessarily inconsistent, as high-level activities might have been kept from public relations officers.
Walter Haut recounts the mundane aspects of his daily routine during the Roswell incident, including delivering the press release and returning home for lunch. He mentions that any subsequent activity, such as the release by General Ramey, indicating the object was a weather balloon, was handled without his involvement. Haut maintains consistency in his story, emphasizing he was not privy to any additional information or debris.
Art and Kirby discuss the plausibility of personnel transfers after the incident to prevent collaboration of stories. Haut does not recall any significant transfers. He suggests the press release might have been part of a well-orchestrated plan to confuse the public by initially declaring the capture of a flying saucer, only to retract it later.
Haut’s perspective reflects the obedience and trust in military orders typical of the era. Art and Kirby agree that Haut seemed sincere and was likely just following orders without questioning them. They speculate that Haut was not part of the inner circle and only performed his duties as instructed.
Art Bell continues with John Kirby, focusing on Frank Kaufman, a witness who claimed involvement in the Roswell debris cleanup. Kaufman, who was reportedly discharged from the military in 1945, claims to have been part of a secret military team in 1947. Despite skepticism about his story, Kaufman provides documentation suggesting he transitioned from military service to a civilian role within a military structure, a common practice at the time.
Kirby recounts meeting Kaufman during various interviews and investigations, including work with CBS and a British TV special. Kaufman insists he was involved in intelligence activities aimed at protecting military secrets, particularly from Soviet spies. He describes being part of a team responsible for maintaining secrecy at Roswell.
Art and Kirby note that Kaufman’s account, although contentious, is consistent with practices of employing civilians in military capacities. They prepare to play an audio clip of Kaufman discussing his background and his role in the Roswell incident.
Frank Kaufman continues his account, explaining how his transition from military service to a civilian role allowed him to continue working on similar assignments. He discusses his close working relationship with Butch Blanchard and Jesse Marcel, emphasizing their thoroughness and credibility. Kaufman defends these figures against criticisms that they couldn’t distinguish between a weather balloon and a flying saucer, given their extensive experience and roles in handling atomic weapons.
Kaufman describes how, due to a series of sightings and radar anomalies, he was sent to White Sands to observe radar activity. There, during a severe thunderstorm, they noticed unusual blips on the radar screen, indicating something significant had possibly crashed. On their return to Roswell, they received reports of an orange ball falling to the ground, eventually locating the impact site 40-45 miles north of Roswell.
Upon arriving at the site, they discovered a craft embedded in the ground, unlike any plane or balloon they had seen before. Kaufman notes that when they looked inside the craft, it seemed as though there was light amplification technology, a detail later corroborated by Colonel Corso in his book. Corso suggested this technology allowed for visibility through the canopy as if it were daylight, even at night.
Frank Kaufman elaborates on his observations of the crashed craft, describing it as approximately 20-24 feet long, 12-14 feet wide, and 6 feet high, with a dome and a V-shaped design similar to a stealth bomber. The craft had a diminishing glow when they arrived. Inside, he briefly saw two bodies: one thrown against an arroyo and another partially inside the craft. They used body bags to remove the bodies and took them to the base hospital. Kaufman disagrees with Colonel Corso’s book, which mentioned a creature being shot, insisting that all the bodies were already dead when found.
Kaufman also refutes the portrayal of the aliens in the Santilli film, stating that the actual bodies he saw looked different, with ash-colored skin, smaller eyes, and overall more human-like features compared to the exaggerated depictions. He referred to them as “little people” and emphasized that they were not from Earth.
Art and Kirby note the unusual description of an orange ball falling and the craft glowing after the crash. They point out that no parachutes were reported, and the crash dummies shown by the Air Force did not match the descriptions provided by witnesses like Kaufman.
Art Bell introduces clips from Jesse Marcel Jr., the son of Major Jesse Marcel Sr., who retrieved debris from the Roswell crash. Jesse Marcel Jr. recounts that his father brought the debris home to show his family. Jesse Jr. describes seeing various materials such as metal foil, I-beam-like structures, and a black plastic material. He notes that his father was excited about the find and wanted them to examine it for any electronic components, though none were present.
Jesse Jr. recalls the debris covering their kitchen floor and mentions that more debris was likely still in the car. He describes the material as not resembling a weather balloon, suggesting it was a unique, flexible metal that didn’t bend easily. The I-beams, in particular, had strange, hieroglyphic-like symbols with a purple-violet metallic hue.
Art and Kirby discuss the peculiarity of the debris and how it differed from what would be expected of a Mogul balloon, specifically highlighting the odd inclusion of floral-patterned tape on some Mogul devices, which seemed inconsistent with the nature of the debris found by the Marcels.
Jesse Marcel Jr. provides further insights into the Roswell debris. He expresses skepticism about the theory that the strange markings on the debris were caused by flower-patterned tape from a Mogul balloon. When he visited Professor Moore in Socorro, New Mexico, Moore showed him some Mogul balloon material, but Marcel noted significant differences between what he saw in 1947 and the Mogul materials.
Marcel Jr. explains that the debris he saw did not have any reinforcement like the Mogul balloon material. The foil he handled was not backed with rubber or paper, contradicting the characteristics of Mogul balloons. He also states that the I-beams had hieroglyphic-like symbols, different from the floral patterns reported on Mogul tape.
When asked about the impact on his father’s career, Jesse Marcel Jr. asserts that his father, Major Jesse Marcel Sr., did not mistake the debris for a weather balloon and was trained to recognize various radar targets. Despite this incident, Marcel Sr.’s career did not suffer significantly.
Marcel Jr. confirms that after his father brought the debris home, they were instructed not to discuss it further. He notes that some artistic license was taken in the Roswell film, which depicted him keeping a piece of the debris.
Jesse Marcel Jr. continues discussing his father’s recollections of the Roswell incident. Marcel Sr. was promoted shortly after the event, indicating that it did not negatively impact his career. Years later, during a brief conversation in New Orleans, Marcel Sr. reaffirmed that all the debris had been collected and described its unusual characteristics once more.
Art Bell introduces a historic tape of a conversation between Jesse Marcel Sr. and Jr. recorded after Marcel Sr. returned from Roswell. Marcel Sr. described his tiring day with a film crew and visiting their old house where the debris had once been spread out. The conversation reveals Marcel Sr.’s reflections on the event, despite the vacuuming of all debris from their house years earlier.
John Kirby notes the peculiarity of Marcel Sr. recording this conversation, suggesting it might have been intended as a historical marker for his son. Kirby appreciates Jesse Marcel Jr. allowing the tape to be shared publicly, noting it also contained personal moments, demonstrating Marcel Sr.’s compassionate nature.
Kirby also plays a short clip from a conversation between Kevin Randall and Major Edwin Easley, the provost marshal for the 509th Bomb Group. Easley acknowledges his role during the Roswell incident but emphasizes that he was sworn to secrecy and could not discuss it.
Art Bell wraps up the discussion with John Kirby by playing two significant audio clips. The first features Major Edwin Easley, the provost marshal for the 509th Bomb Group, who firmly states that he was sworn to secrecy and could not discuss the Roswell incident, despite acknowledging his involvement. The second clip is from Thomas Dubose, the chief of staff of the Air Force who reported to General Ramey. Dubose confirms that the balloon story was a deliberate cover to be disseminated to the public and the press.
Kirby reflects on the overall investigation, stating that while there’s no conclusive proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Roswell incident involved extraterrestrial craft, the preponderance of evidence is compelling enough to suggest the possibility. He remains committed to investigating further, hoping for more definitive evidence or an official government announcement.
Art thanks John Kirby for his contributions and emphasizes the significance of hearing directly from the principal figures involved in the Roswell incident. He notes the importance of preserving these testimonies, given the age of the witnesses and the passing of many others. Art concludes by mentioning ongoing technological experiments for future broadcasts and the potential for making these audio clips available on his website for a broader audience.
Art Bell continues discussing the planned technological advancements for the upcoming Monday show, including a split-screen broadcast combining live video from Nevada and the event in Phoenix, alongside audio streaming on computers. This innovative setup aims to enhance the listener experience, providing both visual and auditory content.
Art mentions persistent UFO sightings near Atlanta, specifically in LaGrange, Georgia. Reports include landings and low flybys, sparking interest in hearing from locals to share their experiences on the show. Art also covers various news topics, including the retirement of Joe Camel by tobacco companies and the CDC’s confirmation of HIV transmission through kissing, highlighting a case where saliva was contaminated due to bleeding gums.
In other news, Art recounts the latest updates from NASA’s Mars Pathfinder mission. The rover, Sojourner, had a minor collision with a rock named Yogi, marking the first “fender bender” on Mars. Art remains enthusiastic about the ongoing Mars exploration, anticipating a full-color, 360-degree panorama to be released soon.
Art then announces the upcoming appearance of Father Malachi Martin on the show, encouraging listeners to tune in for what promises to be an intriguing episode. He opens the phone lines for unscreened calls, engaging with a caller who sent him a book titled “Footprints” by Grover Krantz. The caller praises the scientific approach of the book, which supports the existence of Sasquatch. Art acknowledges the book’s compelling arguments and promises to consider having the author on the show, despite the challenge of obtaining contact information.
One caller asks about Richard Hoagland’s stance on the Mars mission, pointing out that if Hoagland believed the mission was a hoax, other countries would likely expose it. Art agrees, emphasizing his confidence that we are indeed on Mars and suggesting that Hoagland might reconsider his position.
Another caller inquires about a wristband designed to prevent seasickness, which uses pressure points to alleviate symptoms. Art confirms its drug-free nature and compares it to a nicotine patch. The caller also praises Art’s interview with Father Malachi Martin, asking if Art would consider attending an exorcism with him. Art expresses willingness but doubts he would be invited, acknowledging the fear involved in such an experience.
A caller from Anchorage brings up the topic of the moon landing, questioning why Hoagland doesn’t address the “moon hoax” theories more directly. Art explains that Hoagland believes NASA may have withheld information about discoveries on the moon rather than fabricating the landing itself. The caller remains skeptical, equating disbelief in the moon landing with doubt about the Mars mission. Art firmly states his belief in both the moon landing and the current Mars mission, citing substantial evidence.
Art Bell continues his conversation with a caller about William Birnes’ book potentially becoming a television special or motion picture, expressing concern about Hollywood’s tendency to take dramatic license with true stories. However, he acknowledges that such a film would greatly increase public awareness.
Art advises listeners to obtain a recording of the recent historic broadcast featuring Colonel Philip Corso, emphasizing its significance. He provides the number to call for a copy and mentions that his book, “The Quickening,” will soon be available again after a brief hiatus due to a general release scheduled for late August or early September.
Art transitions to lighter topics, sharing a humorous reflection on the awkward habit of thanking police officers after receiving a ticket, along with a list of things never to say when pulled over. He also highlights the new Coast Insider service, which offers podcasting, access to a vast archive of shows, and other benefits for fans.
Art reads a listener’s story about a mysterious woman who appears repeatedly throughout his life, adding to the intriguing and varied content of the show.
Art Bell continues his show, engaging with callers on various topics. One caller discusses an unusual medical case where a man discovered his own twin inside him, a rare phenomenon that also happened to the caller’s mother. This leads to a question about the footage of Neil Armstrong stepping onto the moon, with the caller wondering how it was filmed if Armstrong was the first to set foot there. Art explains that a robotic camera likely took the footage, but admits he’s not entirely sure.
Another caller from Maine suggests having Bob Larson, a radio host with expertise in exorcisms from a Protestant perspective, on the show to complement Father Malachi Martin’s Catholic viewpoint. Art is hesitant about featuring other radio hosts who have their own shows but agrees to consider it.
The discussion shifts to the technical aspects of radio broadcasting, particularly why some FM talk stations broadcast in mono instead of stereo. Art explains that talk radio doesn’t benefit much from stereo sound, but acknowledges that FM talk is becoming increasingly popular and successful, particularly in places like Nashville.
Art Bell continues his conversation with callers, addressing various topics. One caller discusses the rumor that Bob Larson’s calls about demons and other supernatural topics are staged. Art acknowledges that similar accusations have been made about his show but asserts that his calls are not pre-arranged.
Another caller brings up the writings of Jacques Vallée, who takes a skeptical and non-committal stance on the nature of UFOs. Vallée suggests that UFOs are real phenomena but doesn’t jump to conclusions about their extraterrestrial origins. Art agrees with Vallée’s careful approach, emphasizing that while UFOs are real, their exact nature remains unknown. Art also touches on the potential for government misinformation and advanced military technology being behind some UFO sightings, agreeing that the government may not reveal everything it knows.
Art reflects on the broader implications of believing in UFOs, noting that many Americans have seen unidentified flying objects but clarifying that believing in UFOs doesn’t necessarily mean believing they are extraterrestrial spacecraft. He describes himself as an investigator rather than a true believer, driven by curiosity and a desire to uncover the truth.
Art Bell engages in a conversation with a caller about the speed of sound versus the speed of electronic transmission. He explains that while sound travels through the air at the speed of sound, electronic transmissions, such as phone calls, travel at near the speed of light, whether through copper wires or satellites.
Another caller asks about Art’s career and how he became a national radio host. Art hints at discussing this topic further after the upcoming break. He also reflects on the phenomenon of UFO belief, distinguishing himself as an investigator rather than a believer, emphasizing the difference between believing in something without proof and being intrigued by the unknown.
Art reads a report about the CDC documenting the first case of HIV transmission through extended passionate kissing, a development that contrasts with previous assurances that such transmission was impossible.
A caller from Florida confirms hearing Richard Hoagland on another radio program, stating that Hoagland confirmed the Mars lander was genuine. However, Art clarifies that Hoagland personally told him he still believes it’s a hoax, creating a contradiction that will be explored further in an upcoming discussion with Hoagland.
Art Bell discusses Richard Hoagland’s skepticism about the Mars lander mission with a caller from Portland. The caller believes Hoagland might be in denial but suggests that there could be more behind the scenes. Art reflects on various possible explanations Hoagland could have given that would align with his usual theories, such as NASA responding to public pressure or other scenarios, rather than outright denying the mission’s authenticity.
Art then takes a call from someone who is frustrated with the long-term effects of filing for bankruptcy. The caller expresses difficulty in obtaining credit even for a secured credit card. Art explains that bankruptcy consequences last for about seven years and implies that the caller needs to adopt a more responsible financial approach rather than seeking credit for non-essential items.
A caller from the West discusses HAARP (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program), noting its official purpose for submarine communication by heating parts of the ionosphere. They also mention concerns about the potential misuse of HAARP for more nefarious purposes. Art acknowledges these theories and the controversies surrounding HAARP, emphasizing the dual-use nature of such technologies.
Art Bell continues engaging with listeners on various intriguing topics. One caller from Washington discusses an interview with Stan Kenton and the similarities between Kenton’s discoveries and certain Buddhist practices. The caller also expresses excitement for the upcoming interview with Father Malachi Martin, known for his discussions on exorcism.
Another caller asks about a secret room in the Great Pyramid and mentions discovering information about ancient artifacts in the Grand Canyon, supposedly found by a man named Kincaid in 1909. Art acknowledges the story and thanks the caller for sharing the information.
A first-time caller from Pennsylvania brings up multiple topics. He expresses support for Richard Hoagland, believing Hoagland will eventually present new data points rather than rethinking his current stance. The caller criticizes electric cars, pointing out the inefficiency of batteries and the strain on the power grid. Art agrees, noting the need for cleaner energy sources to make electric cars viable.
The caller also comments on the previous discussion about bankruptcy, suggesting the woman caller could save money to purchase a computer or TV instead of relying on credit. Finally, the caller mentions a theory that the Great Pyramids’ geographical opposite is located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, south of Tahiti, and speculates about what might be there.
Art Bell continues engaging with listeners on various topics. A caller asks about the relationship between aliens, demons, and fallen angels, a topic brought up by the 700 Club. Art humorously responds that he doesn’t know, reflecting on the speculative nature of such claims.
Another caller inquires why stars aren’t visible in the background of moon landing footage. Art explains that the cameras used couldn’t capture starlight, similar to how home cameras often don’t pick up stars in the night sky. He also mentions that if the moon landing were faked, stars would likely have been included in the background to make it more convincing.
Art addresses the challenges of managing emails, explaining his triage system to handle the large volume he receives daily. He advises including urgent keywords in the email title for a better chance of being noticed.
A fax criticizes Art for his lack of sympathy towards the woman struggling to get credit post-bankruptcy. Art defends his position by sharing his own experiences of financial struggle during his early career in radio. He emphasizes the reality of living paycheck to paycheck and the consequences of bankruptcy, stressing that he has never declared bankruptcy himself despite facing significant financial challenges.
Art Bell continues his broadcast, receiving a call from Floyd in Houston, who congratulates Art on winning the Best Male Talk Show Host of the Year award. Floyd asks about updates from a supposed time traveler who made predictions that came true. Art mentions he expects to hear from the time traveler again.
Another caller discusses the movie “Men in Black” and wonders if real government agents like the Secret Service, who wear black suits and have earpieces, are akin to the men in black. Art shares that he will have a serious interview with an author who wrote a book on the subject.
A caller shares a disturbing report from India about animals killing and eating people, which Art acknowledges as plausible given the population density in the country. The conversation then shifts to China, with Art mentioning that China has claimed it could lose a significant portion of its population in a nuclear war without major consequences.
A caller introduces himself as a time traveler from a future civilization beyond a point called “start,” which represents the beginning of a new civilization. The caller describes the concept of “time surfing” and indicates he has permission from future counselors to communicate with the past. Art humorously questions why language skills haven’t improved significantly over thousands of years, to which the caller cryptically responds that he cannot reveal more without being disconnected.
The time traveler claims that in 2012, humanity will acknowledge the existence of space aliens, and this revelation will be sudden and undeniable. Art engages with the time traveler about learning to speak in 20th-century slang and touches on changes in religious views over the centuries.
Another caller from Idaho Falls discusses the concept of reincarnation, proposing the idea that people could be reincarnated into the past rather than the future, depending on their karma or the lessons they need to learn. Art finds this perspective fascinating and reflects on the circular nature of time.
Art also shares a conversation he had with his son about the Big Bang, where his son suggested that time and space began simultaneously. This leads Art to ponder the nature of time and what might have existed before the Big Bang.
A caller from the present asks about the station broadcasting Art’s show in Chicago, wanting to ensure people tune in for Father Malachi Martin’s appearance. Another caller expresses frustration with a previous caller’s dismissive attitude towards strange phenomena, emphasizing the importance of keeping an open mind about unexplained events.
Art Bell continues with his late-night discussions, receiving a call from a listener who advises caution about wishing for certain things, as they might come true. They also discuss the nature of time, suggesting that while everything happens simultaneously, humans lack the capacity to perceive it all at once. The caller mentions that time helps ensure events do not all occur at the same moment, which would create chaos. Art agrees, noting that linear time prevents chaos and allows for a better understanding of one’s life journey.
Another caller, Diane from California, briefly mentions past telepathic experiments conducted on the show and expresses concern about the outcomes. She jokes about the possibility of visitors showing up at Art’s door due to these experiments. As the show nears its end, Art allows Diane to sign off with the traditional “Good night, world and visitors also,” a fitting close to the broadcast.