In this episode of “Coast to Coast AM,” Art hosts Father Malachi Martin, who discusses his background and training. Father Martin recounts his journey to the priesthood, beginning in Ireland in 1921 and joining the Jesuits in 1939, shortly after the outbreak of World War II. He remained in Ireland during the war, earning a degree in Semitic languages and Oriental archaeology and history. After the war, he studied philosophy, taught French and Greek, and then moved to Belgium to study theology. He was ordained a Jesuit priest and furthered his education, becoming an expert in ancient handwriting and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Father Martin’s expertise led him to Rome, where he taught at the Biblical Institute, a central part of the Vatican. He became a professor of Hebrew, paleography, New Testament, and Old Testament, and other biblical languages like Aramaic. During his tenure, he worked closely with key Vatican figures and played a significant role in establishing relationships with Jewish communities, particularly under Pope John XXIII and his successor, Paul VI.
However, Father Martin grew dissatisfied with certain modernizations within the Church, particularly changes in the liturgy and the interpretation of scripture. He disagreed with the Germanic school’s view that much of the Bible could be seen as myth or literature, as this could undermine core Catholic beliefs such as the divinity of Jesus, the resurrection, and the existence of heaven, hell, and purgatory.
Father Malachi Martin elaborates on his disagreements with the modernizations in the Church, particularly the changes in the liturgy and the questioning of the historicity of Gospel stories. These changes, he felt, threatened core Catholic beliefs. As the Jesuit order began loosening its inner discipline, Father Martin found himself at odds with the prevailing spirit within the Roman Catholic Church. Eventually, he decided to leave the Jesuit order and approached Pope Paul VI in 1964 to be released from his vows, except for celibacy.
Pope Paul VI agreed, allowing him to earn a living and maintain his celibate status, but without the traditional vow of obedience to superiors. Father Martin chose to remain a priest without being under the direct authority of a bishop, instead functioning independently. This unique arrangement allowed him to be very active in TV, radio, lecturing, and other public engagements. Despite his unconventional position, he was still required to consult with a designated authority in Rome about his public statements and financial matters to ensure doctrinal safety.
Art and Father Martin discuss the implications of his unique status as a priest, highlighting that, despite his conservative views, he is not a renegade but rather operates outside the typical hierarchical structure of the Church. This independence permits him to continue his work and maintain his traditional beliefs while addressing contemporary issues within the Church.
Father Malachi Martin clarifies his unique status within the Church. Although not under the direct authority of a bishop or diocese, he remains a priest with certain restrictions and great latitude in his activities. He avoids engaging in politics, believing that politicking clergy are problematic and that achieving high political office often involves unethical compromises. This discussion leads to reflections on the nature of politics and the moral challenges it presents, with both Art and Father Martin expressing a shared skepticism about the relevance of political discourse to ordinary lives.
Art then addresses Father Martin’s title and appearance, noting that despite his official status, many still call him Father, which he prefers. They briefly discuss the irrelevance of many political debates to everyday life, noting a broader, undefined change occurring in society that politicians have yet to grasp. This segues into a recollection of a previous interview where Father Martin made a notable statement about watching the skies, referencing a significant recent event over Phoenix, Arizona.
Father Malachi Martin and Art Bell discuss various extraordinary phenomena observed in the skies over Phoenix, Arizona, and elsewhere during the spring, hinting at significant and possibly ominous events to come. Transitioning to another topic, Father Martin elaborates on the Dead Sea Scrolls, dispelling rumors that certain scrolls are being withheld because they might challenge traditional views of Christianity and Judaism. He clarifies that all scrolls have been examined and nothing extraordinary is being kept secret. The delay in publication is due to the time-consuming process of deciphering, printing, and translating the documents.
Father Martin mentions that the scrolls confirm existing knowledge about Judaism and contain no specifically Christian elements. He highlights a significant finding: a small fragment dating about ten years after Jesus’s death, containing a quotation from the Gospel of Mark, suggesting that this Gospel was in circulation much earlier than previously thought. He expresses hope that future archaeological discoveries in the dry soil of Palestine will yield ancient manuscripts, potentially revolutionizing our understanding of the Bible.
He also touches on the absence of pre-existing copies of the Bible before the Babylonian exile, indicating that such discoveries could provide the missing link in biblical history. Additionally, Father Martin recounts a biblical incident where Jesus, during an interrogation, denied teaching any secret doctrines and stood up to his interrogators, further illustrating the human aspects of Jesus’s interactions as depicted in historical texts.
Father Malachi Martin and Art Bell delve into various topics, starting with Jesus’s knowledge of different groups during his time, such as the Zealots and revolutionaries, which is evident in the New Testament but not explicitly in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The discussion shifts to the intriguing concept of Bible codes, where a new book by Mr. Johnson claims that ancient Aramaic texts contain codes translating into geometric patterns, allowing individuals to experience events described in Genesis. While this idea fascinates Father Martin, he remains cautious and skeptical about its implications, emphasizing the need for concrete evidence and the dangers of subjective interpretations.
Father Martin introduces the concept of Gematria, an ancient Jewish method of interpreting the Bible by assigning numerical values to letters, revealing deeper meanings. Although he acknowledges the astounding results Gematria can produce, he stresses that these interpretations should only confirm pre-existing beliefs rather than provide new revelations. He expresses skepticism about using these methods for making concrete decisions, arguing that relying on subjective interpretations from single individuals is shaky and unreliable for moral and practical guidance.
Art asks Father Martin about his upcoming trip to Rome, seeking advice on what to see at the Vatican. Father Martin suggests prioritizing visits to St. Peter’s Basilica and the Vatican Museums and offers to provide names that could help Art gain access to areas like the secret archives, which are usually off-limits to the public.
Father Martin explains the impressive design of the secret archives, where lights automatically turn on and off as one moves through the passageways. He highlights the beauty and grandeur of Rome, encouraging Art to enjoy the experience.
The discussion shifts to a fax from a listener questioning the necessity of faith in God for belief in demons. The listener, who identifies as a non-believer, wonders if his disbelief in angels, demons, God, and the devil means he cannot be possessed. Father Martin clarifies that belief or disbelief does not guarantee immunity from possession, as possession appears to be a random occurrence without a clear profile, affecting people regardless of their moral standing, gender, sexual orientation, or education level.
Father Martin differentiates between those who are “naughty” and those who are possessed. He mentions that very naughty individuals, such as high-class call girls or mafia soldiers, often acknowledge their actions openly, whereas possession involves a more profound and mysterious influence that goes beyond mere naughtiness. He shares anecdotes about his experiences with individuals from various walks of life, including interactions with mafia members in New York.
Father Malachi Martin discusses the nature of possession, explaining that it usually comes slowly in stages, similar to an addiction. He shares the story of a young man who made a pact with the devil, initially gaining success but eventually losing his freedom to love, choose, and even think independently. This loss of control over one’s will and mind is a hallmark of possession. Father Martin emphasizes that fleeting thoughts about making a pact with the devil are not the same as an actual pact, which results in a noticeable and restrictive control over one’s will.
Art inquires about the prevalence of possession in America, and Father Martin estimates that around 10 million people might be perfectly possessed. These individuals often hold positions of power and influence and are generally not obscure or failures. They are seen in high places, shaping policies, and their actions often reflect an alliance with evil forces. Father Martin has observed cases where bureaucracies, composed of people of various backgrounds and beliefs, have isolated and removed individuals they believed to be perfectly possessed due to their malevolent influence.
He stresses that these individuals, due to their perfect possession, do not seek help and are resistant to any form of exorcism or intervention. Father Martin acknowledges the power of God’s grace but also respects the formidable influence of these dark forces.
Father Malachi Martin explains the distinction between Lucifer and Satan, emphasizing that Lucifer is considered the prince of this world with his own kingdom. Despite his power, Lucifer and other demons are not omnipotent and often exhibit stupidity and limitations. Art Bell raises a question about why Lucifer would possess innocent individuals who have not made any deals with him. Father Martin clarifies that no one is possessed against their will; people must open a door or extend an invitation, however partial, for possession to occur. He stresses that possession is not a common occurrence and remains a random phenomenon.
Art mentions a film called “The Craft,” which portrays young women summoning dark spirits, and asks if such actions are possible in reality. Father Martin confirms that invoking dark forces is a common occurrence and that teenage girls, in particular, can often attract poltergeist activity. He also discusses the reality of magic, explaining that it is a real and tangible system. Under certain conditions, dark spells can indeed affect people, causing real harm, provided the person casting the spell has an arrangement with demonic forces and the victim lacks protection.
Father Martin elaborates on the importance of protection against demonic forces, highlighting the role of guardian angels. Everyone has a guardian angel assigned to protect them from direct or indirect demonic attacks. This guardian angel acts as a protector, following the dictates of one’s conscience.
Father Malachi Martin emphasizes the importance of maintaining a connection with one’s guardian angel, which serves as protection against demonic forces. He shares that he still performs exorcisms, often overseeing multiple cases simultaneously, and highlights the significant increase in exorcisms since he began this work in the United States in 1970, with an estimated rise of 750 to 800 cases. This increase correlates with a rise in covens and perversion in society, especially in the Northeast.
Father Martin discusses Wicca, distinguishing between white Wicca, which involves nature worship and is relatively harmless, and darker forms of Wicca, which involve the adoration and service of Lucifer. He notes that many people turn to Wicca out of disillusionment with organized religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Catholicism. Despite its pagan roots, white Wicca does not involve harmful practices like animal sacrifices and can lead its followers to appreciate nature’s beauty and truth, sometimes even guiding them back to God.
Art Bell, expressing his struggle with faith, asks how one knows if they’ve received an invitation from God. Father Martin explains that faith can develop gradually, like a slow possession, and involves recognizing and nurturing a desire for goodness, love, and belief. He acknowledges that the journey to faith can be challenging, requiring an openness to grace and a willingness to seek truth and beauty in life.
Father Malachi Martin explains that as people age, they don’t necessarily become gentler or more compassionate; rather, they must be purified of past errors and excesses. Art Bell reflects on his own experiences and the hope for personal improvement as he grows older. Father Martin emphasizes that God’s grace can work within us, drawing us closer to perfection before we die.
A listener writes in, expressing fear of subtle possession and asking for guidance. Father Martin suggests starting with a simple prayer, “Hide me in your wounds,” directed to Christ, and assures the listener that they can write to him if needed. He explains that exorcisms can be performed on non-Catholics or even those without a clear faith, as long as there is some form of consent. However, exorcisms cannot be performed on those who are perfectly possessed, as they have fully consented to their condition and show no reaction to holy objects or rituals.
Art and Father Martin discuss the rise in exorcisms in the Northeast, which has increased by 750 to 800 cases. Father Martin attributes this to the expansion of the prince of darkness’s kingdom and notes a general disturbance and uncertainty in people today. He observes that this discontent, despite the absence of external causes like financial problems or war, indicates a demonic attack intended to spread dissatisfaction and discontent among people.
Father Malachi Martin explains the essence of an exorcism, emphasizing that it is a direct confrontation between the exorcist and the demon possessing an individual. This confrontation involves a series of questions, commands, and responses, aiming to relieve the person of the demon’s control over their will and mind. The exorcism is not merely about reciting prayers but about engaging with the demon to get it to submit to being expelled.
Father Martin highlights the importance of getting the demon to communicate, which can be a challenging and lengthy process. The exorcist must follow specific rules to succeed, including identifying the demon’s assumed name, how long it has been possessing the person, and why it is there. The ultimate goal is to get the demon to submit to leaving the possessed individual.
Art Bell opens a special phone line for atheists and practitioners of the dark arts to call in, seeking to create a dialogue and delineation between good and evil. He invites these callers to share their perspectives and interact with Father Martin. The discussion touches on the idea that demons prefer to roam the world rather than return to hell, as their suffering is more intense there. This concept is illustrated with biblical references, such as the incident of the Gerasene swine, where demons possessing people asked Jesus to send them into a herd of pigs instead of back to hell.
Father Malachi Martin elaborates on the dangers of the middle plateau, a realm where dabbling in psychic activities, remote viewing, Ouija boards, transcendental meditation, and black magic can lead to possession. He stresses that entering this realm is very dangerous and can result in becoming enslaved to demonic forces.
A caller from Washington, who identifies as an atheist, shares her struggle with the concept of a loving God who would condemn people to hell for not loving Him. Father Martin reassures her that the true essence of God’s nature is not about crude punishment but about living a moral and ethical life aligned with God’s will. He emphasizes that God is infinitely patient, knows each person intimately, and that living a good life by loving one’s neighbor and oneself ensures that one will not be condemned to hell.
One caller, initially identifying as a practitioner of white Wicca, struggles to articulate his beliefs, leading to a brief and confusing conversation. Another caller, who has been practicing Wicca for over 30 years, asks Father Martin if the world has become more chaotic since the Catholic Church broke with tradition. Father Martin agrees but notes that returning to old traditions is now impossible, and a new form will likely emerge.
The caller explains that Wicca often incorporates elements from various religions and emphasizes finding a comfortable spiritual path. She mentions encountering “dream weavers” who use dark arts to send negative forces to people while they sleep, causing illness and paranoia. Father Martin acknowledges the reality and danger of such practices and highlights the importance of protections and wards against these negative influences.
They also discuss the prevalence of imps, described as minor devils or mischievous spirits, that have been causing disruptions. Father Martin links this to a broader increase in malevolent forces affecting families and individuals, contributing to insomnia, family disruptions, and other damages.
Father Malachi Martin continues to receive calls from listeners, addressing various topics related to the Catholic Church and supernatural phenomena. A caller asks for insights into the current state of the Catholic Church. Father Martin expresses concern about a worldwide apostasy among Catholics, affecting all levels of the Church. The conversation shifts to a self-identified vampire who claims the Catholic Church is involved in vampirism. Father Martin acknowledges knowing about a vampire school in Long Island and another group in Louisville, Kentucky, but denies any official involvement of the Church in vampirism.
The caller also mentions the scandal of child molestation within the Church and its financial implications. Father Martin agrees that the Church has paid nearly $1 billion in out-of-court settlements since 1985 to cover up these scandals, highlighting the significant damage caused by these issues.
Another caller, Stephanie from Albuquerque, shares two experiences. In the first, she had a negative encounter while experimenting with shamanism, where a large bird seemed to draw energy from her until she invoked the name of Jesus Christ, causing the bird to disappear. Father Martin’s comments on shamanism are not included, but he would likely emphasize the dangers of such practices. In the second experience, Stephanie describes a visitation from her deceased father, who communicated with her through a phone call in a dream-like state.
Continuing the discussion with listeners, Father Malachi Martin addresses a caller who described a visitation from her deceased father, advising caution due to the potential for deception by malevolent spirits from the middle plateau. He stresses the importance of spiritual discernment to avoid being misled by these spirits, especially when it involves loved ones.
Another caller shares an experience from the 70s involving LSD use and an encounter with a vampire-like entity, leading to a lifelong struggle with sexual obsession. Father Martin diagnoses this as a form of demonic obsession and recommends seeking an exorcist. He explains that while psychologists can make a person viable, true healing can only come from the grace of Jesus. Art Bell asks how to find the right kind of priest for such matters, and Father Martin emphasizes finding someone close to God and knowledgeable in dealing with demonic influences.
Art reflects on intentionally inviting callers from the dark side to the show to highlight the prevalence of such issues, acknowledging that these individuals are serious and not merely kooks or crazy people.
Father Malachi Martin continues addressing listener questions, emphasizing the seriousness and reality of the dark realms and their practitioners. A caller named Debbie from the low desert discusses her belief in the unity of dark and light, referencing astrological and climatic changes. Father Martin acknowledges that early Church fathers wrote about such calamities. When asked about working with both dark and light, Debbie expresses concern over the new age movement and the potential dangers of channeling, which can inadvertently invite negative entities like incubus and succubus.
Father Martin agrees, highlighting the risks of innocent mistakes leading to significant pain and emphasizing the importance of careful discernment. They discuss the balance of dark and light within Christian tradition and other belief systems, acknowledging the commonalities and differences in understanding spiritual experiences.
Another caller from Park Hills, Missouri, named Lance, asks about lycanthropy and whether it can be a gift rather than evil. Father Martin confirms that it can have both good and evil purposes. Lance explains experiencing lycanthropy in his dreams rather than in reality. Father Martin advises praying and seeking understanding, suggesting that these experiences can be influenced by generational factors.
Father Malachi Martin continues discussing listeners’ experiences and concerns. A caller named Lance, who experiences lycanthropic dreams of being a wolf in the wilderness and saving people from fires, receives reassurance from Father Martin. He confirms that these dreams can have positive aspects and advises investigating any generational influences.
Another caller from San Francisco seeks advice on how to respond to her five-year-old daughter’s feelings of being watched when alone. The mother, who has had intuitive or psychic experiences herself, initially suggests that it might be the child’s guardian angel. However, the child feels frightened and needs to run, which Father Martin points out does not sound like a guardian angel. He advises building the child’s confidence through close bodily association, engaging in shared activities, and discussing her feelings gradually. He also offers to send a chaplet of Saint Michael for protection and provides his contact information for further assistance.
Father Malachi Martin discusses a caller’s experience of having pain transferred to her from her mother by a healer. The caller, who had been healed by this man before, agreed to take on her mother’s pain to alleviate her suffering. Unfortunately, her mother passed away, but the caller has endured the transferred pain for 15 years. Father Martin confirms that such transfers are possible but considers them dangerous and condemned by Christianity. He explains that true healing should not involve such substitution, which he describes as an abuse of love.
Father Martin advises the caller to seek out a holy priest to pray over her for healing, emphasizing that this situation is not demonic but a mistake that resulted in suffering. He acknowledges the caller’s act of love but stresses that it was misdirected and not aligned with proper Christian teaching.
In response to another listener’s question, Father Martin clarifies his earlier statement about a Wiccan caller who had left the Catholic Church. He explains that if the caller honors Christ, his mother, and lives a morally good life, she has not truly left the Church in essence, but rather the organization. If she were to worship the devil or idols, it would be a different matter entirely.
Father Malachi Martin continues to address various listeners’ concerns, including a complex question from an atheist caller. The caller, who is an atheist but not a non-believer, asks about the place of his mentally retarded brother in immortality and how to reconcile the horrors he witnesses as a surgical nurse, especially the abuse of children.
Father Martin explains that individuals like the caller’s brother, who cannot understand right and wrong or God, have a special place in the scheme of salvation. He references a biblical story where Jesus indicates that such afflictions are not punishments but rather serve to manifest God’s power. Regarding the abused children, Father Martin acknowledges the presence of evil in the world and its impact on the innocent. He suggests that the suffering of these children can be associated with the sufferings of Jesus, turning their pain into something that can be offered up for the salvation of others.
The conversation then touches on the mystery of evil and why God allows it. Father Martin emphasizes the importance of faith and the hope that these sufferings can be redeemed by Christ.
Another caller asks how one can be happy in heaven if loved ones, like a mother, are not there. Father Martin explains that happiness in heaven comes from being in God’s presence, which transcends all earthly attachments. He reassures that, in God’s presence, the absence of loved ones will not cause sorrow, as one’s entire existence becomes absorbed in the divine.
Father Malachi Martin addresses a caller who describes himself as an atheist but insists he is not a bad person and teaches his son right from wrong. The caller questions the place of his mentally retarded brother in immortality and the presence of evil, particularly the abuse of children he witnesses as a surgical nurse. Father Martin explains that such individuals have a special place in salvation, referencing Jesus’s words about people born with afflictions. He acknowledges the existence of evil and the role of faith in coping with such suffering.
Father Martin elaborates on the Catholic belief in merit, contrasting it with the Protestant view of justification by faith alone. He explains that Catholics believe in the ability to merit heaven or punishment through actions. The discussion turns to the importance of faith, and Father Martin encourages the caller to open his heart to the possibility of belief, suggesting that the desire to believe is the beginning of faith.
Another caller inquires about the changes in the Catholic Church, suggesting that as a highly organized religion, it is a prime target for attacks. The conversation then shifts to the existence of entities and beings before the creation of the world. Father Martin confirms that besides Lucifer and Satan, there were other beings for which humans have no names or images, existing in a different dimensional area.
Father Malachi Martin and Art Bell continue the conversation with listeners, addressing deep and complex questions. Father Martin elaborates on the existence of beings before humans, stating that the universe we know is a reconstruction following the revolt of Lucifer and his angels. He references the early chapters of Genesis, which mention “the sons of God” and giants, suggesting that these phrases hint at beings from an earlier creation destroyed by the angelic revolt. The remnants of this original creation exist on what he calls the “middle plateau,” where Lucifer and his followers still operate until the end of time.
A caller asks if Father Martin encounters these entities from the middle plateau. Father Martin admits that he does have trouble with them if he steps outside his spiritual protection, indicating the reality and danger of these beings.
Another caller from El Paso, Texas, named James, who has been involved in Wicca for many years, shares his background of being around people involved in the occult, including his mother in astrology and his father in the Rosicrucians. His wife was featured in a book about the vampiric lifestyle. James is writing a manuscript on occult crimes and notes that many perpetrators of such crimes were tormented as children.
Father Malachi Martin elaborates on the influences of demons on children who have been abused. He explains that a child’s response to abuse can lead them to fall under demonic influence or not, depending on their free will. He shares an anecdote about a German writer, Jean-Paul Victor, who had a moment of self-awareness as a child, illustrating the concept of free will. This choice between light and darkness can set the path for an individual’s future, with abuse making it easier for demons to influence those who have suffered.
The conversation shifts to the prevalence of occult crimes and the difficulties in addressing them within the Catholic Church. Father Martin notes that belief in the devil and positive evil has significantly declined among the clergy, leading to challenges in combating these issues. He mentions the growing trend of vampirism as a form of Satan worship, which is spreading as a new form of evil.
A caller inquires about the Catholic Church’s stance on capital punishment for murder. Father Martin emphasizes that the intention behind the action is crucial, suggesting that the state’s motivation for justice differs from individual acts of murder. He explains that restitution is a key component of justice, comparing it to returning stolen money.
Father Malachi Martin discusses the justification and debate around capital punishment, highlighting the arguments for and against it, and the moral complexities involved. He acknowledges the long-standing debate on whether those who take a life should be deprived of their own life as a form of justice.
A caller named Garrett from the Mojave Desert asks Father Martin about the impact of the recently released 30 volumes by Luisa Piccarreta, known as the “Books of Heaven.” Father Martin expresses respect for Piccarreta’s work and notes that her writings align with basic Catholic doctrine. However, he indicates uncertainty about the specific impact these volumes will have on ongoing changes within the Church, particularly as they do not address the current structural disintegration of the Church’s hierarchy. He mentions that Piccarreta lived on the Eucharist alone for 60 years, which has been verified, but she is not the first to have done so.
Another caller questions why the possibility of extraterrestrial life is seen as contradictory to Christian theology. Father Martin clarifies that there is no need to reject factual evidence of life beyond Earth and that the Church should remain open to such discoveries. He addresses concerns about the Catholic Church being perceived as the antichrist, which he attributes to misunderstandings and conspiracy theories. He touches on topics like the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and the interpretations of commandments, noting that such discussions are often based on differing religious perspectives, such as those of Seventh-Day Adventists.
A caller asks Father Malachi Martin about the Vatican’s intense interest in astronomy, particularly their involvement with an observatory on Mount Graham in Arizona. Father Martin explains that this interest is rooted in certain secret revelations received in the 20th century, which involve astronomical data and the near future. The Vatican seeks evidence to determine the necessary actions based on these revelations.
Another caller, Nick from Albuquerque, inquires about the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis 6:4, who took notice of the daughters of men and produced giants. Father Martin discusses the Nephilim as mysterious beings referenced in early Genesis, and how they are difficult to define because they don’t fit into our usual physical configurations. He suggests that there were beings before humans that we have no physical or descriptive terms for.
Nick then asks if Lucifer could have populated other planets with his concept of beings, potentially explaining modern alien encounters. Father Martin acknowledges the limited evidence available, stating that while most information suggests these beings are restricted to this planet and galaxy, it remains a mysterious area. He also suggests that the demonic origin theory is the most plausible explanation for UFO phenomena.
Art Bell and Father Martin discuss the hypothetical situation of detecting an extraterrestrial craft heading toward Earth. Martin cautiously states that it would be difficult to determine if such an event would be automatically considered demonic, emphasizing the complexity and uncertainty surrounding such encounters.
Father Malachi Martin and Art Bell reflect on the fascination with the Martian landscape and the recent explorations by a rover. Father Martin muses about the possibility that Mars once had conditions similar to Earth, including a planet-wide flood and abundant water, which might have supported life billions of years ago. He acknowledges the profound mystery of the extent of damage caused by the revolt against God, speculating that we might be seeing remnants of that damage in our exploration of Mars and beyond.
As the program comes to an end, both Art and Father Martin express amazement at how quickly the time has passed.
The conversation between Art Bell and Father Malachi Martin concludes with reflections on the enigmatic nature of the cosmos and the mysteries of divine creation. They discuss the profound impact of recent Mars exploration and the possibility that we might be witnessing the remnants of ancient cosmic events, potentially tied to the biblical narrative of rebellion against God. The program wraps up with a mutual acknowledgment of the intriguing and expansive nature of the subjects covered, leaving listeners with much to ponder about the intersection of faith, science, and the unknown.