Art begins by welcoming listeners from various locations, emphasizing the broad reach of the show. He issues a caution about the night’s topic, acknowledging it may disturb some listeners. Art explores themes of magic, witchcraft, revenge, and protection, urging sensitive listeners to tune out if they find these topics unsettling. He introduces Dr. Evelyn Paglini, whom he regards as an authentic witch, distinguishing her from stereotypical depictions. Art highlights Dr. Paglini’s credibility, sharing his own extensive search for a genuine practitioner in this field.
Art discusses a previous show’s segment about crop circles, specifically the Salem Slayton, Oregon formation, and shares photographs provided by Marianne Coach. He draws parallels between these crop circles and earlier ones in England, suggesting a significant connection. Art invites listeners to view these images on his website. Additionally, he announces the return of the studio cam, allowing viewers to see high-quality photos of the broadcast. Art mentions receiving a box filled with various items and a letter promising tools for achieving goals and protection through meditation, visualization, and magic.
Dr. Evelyn Paglini introduces herself and elaborates on her background, including her training in natural magic from a young age by her grandfather. She explains her work with law enforcement on cases involving the occult and missing persons. Art acknowledges mischaracterizing her initially and delves into a discussion about natural magic, a practice not confined to Wiccan or other specific pagan sects. Dr. Paglini explains that natural magic utilizes various tools, including the power of the mind and the psychology of color, to influence one’s environment and well-being.
She illustrates how colors have specific vibrations that can affect energy levels, emotions, and mental states. For instance, the color red can revitalize and energize, blue can heal and protect, green attracts prosperity, yellow stimulates intellect, and pink fosters peace and harmony. Dr. Paglini highlights that these colors can be incorporated into one’s environment, used in meditation, or through visualizations to harness their effects. Art and Dr. Paglini discuss the innate psychic abilities in people, noting that some individuals possess a natural affinity for such abilities due to hereditary or past life experiences.
Dr. Evelyn Paglini continues discussing her background, emphasizing her early initiation into natural magic by her grandfather, who held a significant position in the occult community. She explains that both men and women can wield similar powers, although historically, women did not reach high levels of occultism due to societal roles. Dr. Paglini shares her experiences of learning various forms of divination, including reading sand and tarot cards from a young age.
Art acknowledges the controversy surrounding the topic, noting that some listeners equate witchcraft with dark forces. Dr. Paglini counters this by asserting her belief in God and explaining that her powers are derived from a divine source. She differentiates between witchcraft and Satanism, emphasizing the misunderstanding that often surrounds these practices. Despite being raised Roman Catholic, Dr. Paglini found a way to reconcile her spiritual beliefs with her practice of natural magic, insisting that her abilities are not rooted in evil.
Art addresses listeners who may be offended by the subject, reading a message warning him about the dangers of discussing witchcraft. Dr. Paglini reiterates her stance that her practice is aligned with divine power and not with malevolent forces. She stresses the importance of understanding the true nature of her abilities and the positive intentions behind them.
Art and Dr. Paglini continue discussing the existence of multiple forces besides God’s omnipotent power, including elementals and familiars that can be evoked or summoned depending on the practitioner’s intent. Dr. Paglini explains the significance of the color black in magic, used for removing negativity or placing it, often involving black candles or image candles representing individuals. She asserts that magic is real, effective, and has been practiced since ancient times, although it has often been misunderstood and hidden.
The conversation touches on the resurgence of natural magic and its increasing visibility in media. Dr. Paglini mentions that modern society is rediscovering ancient practices, seeking to reconnect with nature and spiritual elements. They discuss the movie “The Craft,” noting some inaccuracies but acknowledging its portrayal of the craft. Dr. Paglini clarifies that while a coven can amplify magical effects through collective focus, individual practitioners can also achieve significant results.
Art inquires about the use of personal items, like hair, in spells, referencing a scene from the movie where a character’s hair falls out due to a spell. Dr. Paglini confirms that such practices are possible, emphasizing the power of symbolic and physical connections in magic.
Dr. Paglini elaborates on the concepts of imitative and sympathetic magic, explaining how personal items like hair or clothing, which are close to the body, can be used in spells to represent and affect the individual. She addresses the ethical considerations of using magic, emphasizing that the source of power is neutral, and its use depends on the practitioner’s intent. Positive or negative effects stem from how the power is wielded.
She explains that in magic, a safety factor or boomerang effect ensures that any harm intended returns to the perpetrator if they are not the guilty party. This principle aligns with the idea of karmic retribution, where negative actions lead to consequences, either in this lifetime or another. Art and Dr. Paglini discuss the portrayal of this concept in the movie “The Craft,” where unjustified negative actions return to the caster manifold.
Dr. Paglini highlights the importance of balance and ethical use of power, noting that misuse for personal gain or harm leads to karmic debt. When discussing the desire for financial gain, she asserts that seeking wealth is not inherently negative unless used to harm others. She counters the notion that spiritual principles require poverty, arguing that abundance is meant to be enjoyed responsibly and without ego. The true test, she concludes, lies in how individuals use the power and tools given to them by divine forces.
Dr. Paglini discusses the nuances of competitive behavior, using Art as an example. She emphasizes that being driven to succeed does not inherently involve negative intentions toward others. Art reaffirms his competitive nature and explains that his actions are not driven by malice but by a desire to excel.
Returning from a break, Art reiterates his warning to sensitive listeners about the potentially disturbing nature of the discussion. He mentions the exclusive photographs of the Salem Slayton, Oregon crop circle available on his website, suggesting a connection to early crop circles in England. Art transitions to a listener’s question about a chant from the movie “The Craft.” Dr. Paglini confirms that chants, symbols, and rituals are integral to magic, as they help focus intent and harness power through vibrations and concentration.
She explains that tools used in magic, such as wands or chalices, must be cleansed, charged, and consecrated. The power of chants lies in their vibratory nature, similar to the influence of colors discussed earlier. Art shares a personal story about moving from Las Vegas to Pahrump, describing his search for property in a high, rocky area that appealed to his interests as a ham radio operator. This sets the stage for further discussion of personal experiences and their connections to magical practices.
Art recounts a story about searching for property with his wife, who used coat hangers as divining rods to locate water on a piece of undeveloped land. Despite not being able to purchase the land due to bureaucratic issues, Art later saw a drilling rig hitting water precisely where his wife had indicated. Dr. Paglini explains that his wife, being sensitive, tapped into the vibrations of the water using the divining rods, a common and benign use of magical power.
Art continues with another personal anecdote, describing a package of seemingly unrelated items his wife gave him early in their relationship, which included forget-me-not seeds, hazelnut coffee, and a small pair of handcuffs. Dr. Paglini interprets this as a binding action, meant to attract and bind him to her heart.
Art then shares a more alarming experience involving a cursed doll sent to him by a listener. The doll was reportedly the sole survivor of a house fire and was believed to carry a curse. His wife, recognizing the negative energy, immediately used salt to purify and dispose of the doll. Dr. Paglini affirms that salt is a first line of defense for purification, followed by sea salt, sulfur, and black salt, all of which serve to neutralize negative vibrations.
Dr. Paglini explains that she has an altar room filled with artifacts that have had curses placed upon them, which can wreak havoc if not properly attended to. She emphasizes the importance of having a consecrated space for spiritual work, comparing it to sacred places in various cultures, such as churches or Native American sacred grounds. Art and Dr. Paglini discuss the similarities between Native American practices and natural magic, highlighting their use of herbs, animal spirits, and shapeshifting abilities.
Dr. Paglini elaborates on the concept of familiars—spiritual entities created through thought and sent out in various forms, such as animals, to do the practitioner’s bidding. They discuss the mystical nature of cats, which have been used as familiars and protectors since ancient Egypt. Cats, both small and large, have a historical role in various cultures as powerful spiritual entities.
Art shares his fascination with cats and their mystical qualities, noting their frequent references in magical contexts. Dr. Paglini confirms their effectiveness as familiars and protectors. They conclude the segment with a teaser for upcoming questions and a reminder to sensitive listeners to turn off the radio if the discussion offends them. Dr. Paglini responds to a listener’s question about prominent religious figures, suggesting that true spirituality recognizes the unity of all people and the existence of a single divine source.
The discussion shifts to the idea of a spiritual battle between good and evil, with Dr. Paglini emphasizing that increased knowledge can test individuals, often leading to misuse and the rise of negativity. She delves into the nature of the soul, describing it as the divine spark and breath of the creator, eternal and experiencing multiple incarnations. The soul’s journey involves evolving through various lifetimes, potentially on different planes or dimensions, and reincarnating based on chosen conditions that best fulfill its next purpose.
Dr. Paglini addresses the concept of a finite number of souls, as depicted in the movie “The Seventh Sign,” explaining it metaphorically. She describes how the completion of all soul incarnations on this plane could signal a transition to another dimension or realm. The idea of “graduation” from reincarnation is discussed, where some souls choose to return as teachers or enlightened beings, while others merge back into oneness after fulfilling their purpose.
Art inquires about demonstrable manifestations of magic, to which Dr. Paglini recounts a powerful experience from her youth. She witnessed a woman with strong magical abilities mentally moving and reconstructing a bush, though noting that only divine power could truly make it whole. This example underscores the profound yet limited nature of human magical abilities compared to divine creation.
Dr. Paglini elaborates on the power of magic, emphasizing that distance is not a limitation and that practitioners can affect individuals thousands of miles away through imitative and sympathetic magic. The conversation shifts to ghosts and spirits, with Art recounting a well-known incident in San Antonio, Texas, where a school bus was hit by a train, killing all the children. Visitors to the site claim that their cars are mysteriously pushed off the tracks, leaving handprints from children’s hands in powder sprinkled on the vehicles.
Dr. Paglini explains that some spirits choose to remain on earth to complete unfinished business, protect loved ones, or provide guidance. Others are trapped by traumatic events or strong emotions at the time of their death, leading to repetitive hauntings. She shares a story about a haunted house in Chicago, where a bitter, abandoned woman’s spirit tormented the residents until an exorcism was performed, allowing her to cross over into the light.
Art questions why spirits of individuals who experienced unrequited love and died without committing any evil deeds seem to be trapped. Dr. Paglini explains that the intense energy and desire to stay connected with their loved ones can cause these souls to refuse to move on to the light, resulting in their entrapment. She describes the process of contacting and helping trapped spirits, emphasizing the importance of professional intervention and protective measures to prevent unwanted consequences.
Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini delve deeper into the darker aspects of magic, addressing difficult questions and concerns from listeners. Dr. Paglini responds to accusations of promoting Lucifer’s word by emphasizing the need for higher spiritual awareness and enlightenment, which would prevent such condemnations. She addresses a listener’s question about why a benevolent God would allow a baby to be left to die, explaining that such events may serve as lessons, impacting and teaching those involved in ways that are often beyond human understanding.
The discussion turns to the topic of revenge, with Art sharing a personal story of someone threatening his family, which led him to consider the use of magic for deadly revenge. Dr. Paglini acknowledges that based on what Art confided in her, he has justification for feeling this way. She confirms that it is indeed possible to use magic to take someone’s life, though she stresses the gravity and ethical implications of such actions.
Art refers to a Stephen King story where a gypsy curses a man, causing him to waste away, illustrating the potential power of curses in real life. This sets the stage for a discussion on the ethical considerations and consequences of using magic for harm, and the responsibilities of those who wield such power.
Dr. Paglini explains the concept of using concentrated energy to harm someone, describing various methods to inflict suffering, such as causing illness or creating negative influences around the target. She emphasizes that in cases of severe harm, justified retaliation through magical means does not incur the karmic penalty of tenfold retribution. This is because the mirror effect simply returns the harm back to the perpetrator.
The discussion then shifts to the dangers of using a Ouija board. Dr. Paglini warns that it is not a toy and can open doors to unwanted entities, leading to potential harm, especially for untrained individuals. She stresses the importance of proper training and experience when dealing with spirit communication tools, as misuse can invite low-entity beings looking for a receptacle.
Art asks about possessions, and Dr. Paglini confirms she has witnessed several. She describes the process of exorcism within her craft, which involves a confrontation with the possessing entity to demand it leaves the host body. The process can take hours or days, depending on the strength and nature of the entity. Dr. Paglini explains that exorcisms must be tailored to the cultural and religious background of the spirit or entity, using artifacts and symbols they recognize and respond to.
She notes that in some cases, a Christian exorcist like Father Malachi Martin may not be effective if the spirit does not respond to Christian symbols. In such instances, practitioners from other spiritual traditions, like herself, might be more suitable to handle the possession using appropriate cultural and religious artifacts.
Dr. Paglini discusses how certain artifacts and rituals can be used in place of traditional Christian symbols, like holy water and crucifixes, to combat malevolent entities. She mentions the importance of balance and guidance in handling magical power and rejects those who seek power for harmful purposes.
Art recounts a visit to an herb store in Mexico where he saw an ominous altar, which Dr. Paglini suggests could have been dedicated to a demigod or spirit for guidance and power. She emphasizes the need for proper training and balance when dealing with such practices.
The conversation briefly shifts to a breaking news story about the Mir space station losing power and its synchronization with the sun, causing potential dangers for the crew. Returning to Dr. Paglini, Art asks how listeners can contact her. She provides her email, mailing address, and mentions her webpage for further information.
Dr. Paglini reiterates her contact information for those interested in reaching out to her. She explains that her website offers information about herbs, essential oils, and tools for achieving desired goals. The conversation touches on the two main forms of magic: protective and offensive. She confirms that while the majority of practice is defensive, knowledge allows for both.
A listener asks about the ethical implications of using the occult for international trade deals and national security breaches. Dr. Paglini condemns such actions as evil, emphasizing that wealth and power should not be used to harm others or jeopardize nations.
A young caller from California shares his experience with tarot and palmistry, seeking guidance on further learning. Dr. Paglini advises that there are excellent books and organizations offering instruction, even if local covens are not available.
Art highlights the increased psychic abilities observed in young people, particularly teenage girls, suggesting a rise in latent psychic powers and intuitive abilities. Another caller, identifying as a Wiccan Christian, emphasizes the importance of discipline and caution when practicing magic, warning that even unintentional negative energy can cause harm. Dr. Paglini agrees, stressing that magic is not a game and requires careful and responsible handling.
Dr. Paglini and Art discuss the idea that young people, particularly girls, may unconsciously lash out with their latent psychic abilities when persecuted, as depicted in the movie “Carrie.” Dr. Paglini emphasizes the importance of discipline and guidance from an early age to properly channel such powers. She advises those seeking tutelage to observe potential mentors in action to ensure they are balanced and ethical.
Art asks if Dr. Paglini can recognize another practitioner, to which she affirms, explaining it as a vibration or energy that can be felt. She shares an experience in Jamaica where she encountered a person who had crossed over to evil, exuding a powerful and negative vibration.
A caller from Ohio, Zachary, discusses his early interest in the occult and asks about achieving an alpha state to tap into psychic powers, as described in Laurie Cabot’s book “The Power of the Witch.” Dr. Paglini confirms that achieving deep meditation can open one’s inner eye, leading to psychic abilities and potentially astral projection. She advises using protection when exploring these realms to safeguard against negative influences.
Another caller from Washington State asks Dr. Paglini if she identifies as a witch. She clarifies that she is not part of any Wiccan organization but practices natural magic and identifies with the craft of the wise, which aligns her with Wiccan principles. She expresses a positive view of the new pagan movement, praising its focus on nature and the elements, regardless of the specific tradition.
Dr. Paglini and Art discuss the rise in people connecting with nature and the elements, attributing this shift to the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, which brings about a spiritual evolution. A caller shares their experience of feeling at home with the principles and practices of the craft after being introduced by a roommate. Dr. Paglini confirms that more people are naturally drawn to these practices today, aligning with the spiritual growth of the age.
Art shares a personal story about acquiring a real crystal ball from Singapore, emphasizing its importance and the properties of crystal. Dr. Paglini explains that crystal acts as a conductor and a window, aiding in mental focus and the opening of the third eye to produce images and answers.
A caller from Missouri, Sasha, expresses feeling a lot of energy and anxiety, mentioning they are on antidepressants and feel somewhat psychic. Art highlights that many people diagnosed with mental health issues might actually have special insights or sensitivities. Dr. Paglini offers to help Sasha understand and manage these feelings better.
Dr. Paglini and Art discuss the latent psychic abilities that are rising to the surface in many individuals, including precognition and intuitive visions. Dr. Paglini advises keeping a journal to document these experiences, which helps to train the mind and expand these abilities. Art shares his own experience with precognition, emphasizing how it overtook him without control.
A caller, Isabel, describes her ability to foresee and cause events, such as predicting bad luck for a bully and accurately telling a pregnant woman her child’s name and gender. Isabel explains that her actions, often done without full understanding, have resulted in negative repercussions on her health and well-being, exemplifying the concept of karmic return. Dr. Paglini confirms that malice without justification brings negative consequences back to the practitioner.
Dr. Paglini advises Isabel to undergo a cleansing and make a vow of kindness and goodness to reverse the negative effects. She explains that this process involves an appeasement and restoring balance through positive actions. Art suggests that Isabel find someone like Dr. Paglini to help her with this process.
Dr. Paglini provides her contact information again, and Art asks about the significance of the “Q” in her email address, which remains unanswered. A caller named Debbie asks Dr. Paglini about the behavior of her cat, who has been overly clingy since the loss of another cat. Dr. Paglini explains that the cat is reacting to the loss and seeking comfort from its owner, similar to how a child would cling to a parent.
Another caller, Susan from Sacramento, inquires about crop circles and shares an experience of feeling an energy force in her kitchen that felt euphoric and similar to a sexual experience. Dr. Paglini suggests that it could have been a comforting presence from a loved one who had crossed over, guiding and protecting her. They discuss the powerful role of sexual energy in magic, noting that abstaining from sex can harness that energy for magical purposes.
Dan from Virginia calls in to ask about a significant event involving the alignment of pyramids and Mars on July 20th. Dr. Paglini hints at the opening of new insights and ancient wisdom that such events might reveal, suggesting the start of a period of discovery and enlightenment.
Dr. Paglini mentions that upcoming days and months, including the 20th, will reveal significant and sometimes shocking insights that propel humanity into the future. The conversation then shifts to an update on the Mir space station, which had a temporary power loss but has since stabilized.
A caller from Washington, Jean, describes waking up with mysterious brown stains on her hands and feet that resemble drawings. Dr. Paglini suggests that Jean may be in contact with a being and asks for more details to provide a better assessment.
Another caller shares a traumatic experience of finding their partner who had committed suicide and feeling the partner’s presence constantly. Dr. Paglini and Art discuss the need for an exorcism, emphasizing that the spirit may be trying to get the caller to join them. They explain that if the presence drains energy, it indicates a negative influence, whereas feeling revitalized would suggest a helpful spirit.
Dr. Paglini addresses the topic of suicide, explaining that karmically, the person will need to reincarnate quickly to complete their prescribed time on Earth. A caller questions how witches can identify as Christians, given the Bible’s condemnation of witchcraft. Dr. Paglini explains that many religions, including Christianity, aim to commune with a divine force, and that misunderstanding should not force people to forsake their beliefs. She emphasizes the importance of tolerance and understanding across different religions.
Another caller from Seattle shares that people often sense a certain energy from them, wondering what it means and how to control it. Dr. Paglini explains that this energy is a vibration that can attract or repel others. She advises learning to control the energy by visualizing a thermometer and adjusting the energy level accordingly.
Art shares his own experience of sensing negative energy from certain individuals before they even speak. Dr. Paglini confirms this as a result of vibrations emitted by a person’s aura, which sensitive individuals can immediately pick up on.
A caller from San Marcos describes waking up simultaneously with their cat, feeling stared at from the window. The description of this encounter ends abruptly, leaving the details of what was seen or experienced unclear.
The caller from San Marcos continues to describe the being they encountered, noting its humanoid form, large eyes, and black and white patterned body. Dr. Paglini suggests it might be a benevolent entity trying to make contact and advises keeping a journal to document any further encounters or thoughts that may not seem their own.
Another caller, Tammy from Bakersfield, discusses speaking in tongues during sleep and expresses interest in past life regression. Dr. Paglini confirms that regression therapy can uncover past life experiences and potentially explain current phobias or maladies. She mentions her experience in therapeutic hypnosis and verifying past life details through documentation.
As the show comes to a close, Dr. Paglini shares her contact information and recommends Art Bell’s book “The Quickening” for gaining insight into the future. Art thanks Dr. Paglini for her time, and they conclude the segment with a promise to revisit the topic in the future.