Art introduces a new Cusco album and discusses its anticipation. He references Jim Keith’s book and a quote from CIA’s Stansfield Turner about black operations. Art then shifts to a conversation with Jim about the men in black, explaining they are linked to government covert operations rather than the paranormal. Art recounts an interview with Colonel Philip Corso about the Roswell incident, suggesting the government’s involvement in covering up alien evidence. The dialogue touches on the complexity of strange phenomena, suggesting that the men in black could have various sources, including government attempts to silence witnesses and potential delusions within the UFO community. Jim mentions the idea of a supernatural connection to the men in black, which remains unexplained. They also discuss the absence of concrete proof linking advanced technology to aliens and Jim’s interest in UFOs and the paranormal since childhood, leading to his research on the men in black. Art and Jim speculate on the popularity of men in black theories, likening it to the black helicopter conspiracy.
The conversation continues with Art and Jim discussing the connection between black helicopters and men in black, which appears minimal. Jim explains that while there are real instances of men in black, there are also fake ones, and suggests the government might simulate paranormal phenomena to manipulate people. He references CIA and FBI reports from the late 1940s and early 1950s about infiltrating UFO groups. Jim believes the government uses men in black suits and cars to intimidate UFO witnesses. Art recounts his experiences with government agents, noting their inherent intimidation. Jim shares a notable case from 1976 involving Dr. Hopkins in Maine, who encountered a peculiar man in black during his investigation of a UFO abduction. This man demonstrated apparent supernatural abilities, such as making a penny dematerialize and suggesting a connection to Barney Hill’s death.
Art and Jim revisit the story of Dr. Hopkins, detailing how the man in black demonstrated paranormal abilities by making a penny dematerialize. This encounter led Hopkins to abandon all his UFO research, a decision documented only through his children’s accounts. They speculate that Hopkins might have been close to uncovering information deemed too sensitive. Art reflects on the intimidation factor of such encounters, suggesting that even the audience might comply under similar circumstances. Jim mentions the possibility of UFOs created by governments and discusses the famous lights over Phoenix, where despite extensive sightings, no radar detected any aircraft, raising questions about the intent behind such events.
Art and Jim discuss sightings of triangular crafts, particularly around secret testing bases in California. Jim mentions a military official confirming these crafts as government transports and highlights reports from Aviation Week about these shapes being a trend since the early 1990s. Art shares his personal experience with a slow-moving triangular craft, and Jim recounts a similar sighting in Lancaster, suggesting antigravity technology but without definitive alien links. They then shift back to discussing men in black, noting historical accounts dating back to the 1500s where they were seen as agents of the devil. A listener’s letter describes an encounter where his dying father claimed to be visited by men in black who promised to take him to his deceased wife, drawing a connection to historical and religious interpretations of such figures.
Jim explains the historical consistency of men in black, dating back to the 1500s when they were associated with demonic agents and witchcraft. He notes the transition to modern interpretations linked to UFOs. Despite initial skepticism, Jim found a residue of unexplainable, paranormal cases among the many men in black encounters. He estimates that around 5% of these cases defy explanation, with the majority likely being delusions or government counterfeits intended to silence witnesses. Art and Jim discuss the intimidating nature of government agents and share listener stories, including one about a disturbing encounter with men in black following a UFO-themed art show. The listener describes seeing tall, black-clad figures outside their window and experiencing other unsettling phenomena.
Jim and Art discuss a listener’s account from Vancouver, where men in black were seen outside an apartment after a UFO-themed art show, and how these figures disappeared mysteriously. Jim shares historical instances of men in black, dating back to the Middle Ages when they were seen before outbreaks of plague and believed to be demonic agents. He suggests that reality might be more malleable than perceived, reflecting internal trauma as external events. Jim mentions a rare case of a woman in black during the Mothman encounters in the 1960s, which involved various paranormal sightings and government interest. Art shares a listener’s eerie fax about seeing men in black and discusses the psychological impact of such sightings. Jim hints at a connection between Adolf Hitler and men in black, promising more intriguing details.
Jim shares an anecdote about Hitler waking up terrified of men in black, considering them a vision of the future, though it’s unclear if this was a true paranormal encounter. They discuss various men in black sightings around significant events, like President Kennedy’s assassination, where a man in black was seen in a motorcade film. Jim recounts the case of Castillo, involved in an assassination attempt on Marcos, who under truth serum claimed to have multiple personalities and connections to men in black. Art and Jim then explore the darker historical aspects of men in black, linked to sinister activities like witchcraft and child abductions, noting that no modern cases involve direct killing. They reflect on childhood fears and the idea that children might be more attuned to unseen realities. Jim suggests that as people grow older, they exclude these perceptions, solidifying a more mundane reality. A listener equates men in black with the concept of angels, prompting a discussion about appearances not always reflecting true intentions.
Jim recounts hearing from John Lear about the unsettling idea that one should avoid the light at death, contrary to popular advice. They discuss collecting stories for Jim’s book, which involves contacting researchers and reading extensive material. Jim shares an early story of a UFO enthusiast contacted by three men in black who allegedly revealed the truth about UFOs and took him to a bizarre, otherworldly place. He mentions the Maury Island incident, one of the earliest UFO sightings in 1947, where a man in black warned the witness to stay silent. As they prepare to take calls, Art and Jim reflect on the pervasive and eerie nature of these men in black encounters.
Art and Jim continue to take calls from listeners discussing men in black encounters. A caller mentions ghost stories and the presence of women in black, linking them to witches and black dogs, which Jim relates to historical depictions of fairies, trolls, and witches as men and women in black. Another caller recounts a childhood dream about men in black taking him to a place he later visited in real life, which prompts Jim to note that most men in black stories are reported as real experiences rather than dreams. They discuss the ambiguity of some encounters and the origins of men in black, with theories ranging from government operatives to interdimensional beings. Jim admits that while some might be human, others could cross dimensions.
One caller from Montgomery, Alabama, recalls a TV interview about a man working with hazardous materials, during which an unexplained boomerang-shaped, luminescent object carried by two helicopters briefly appeared on screen. This prompts speculation about whether the men in black intervene only when someone gets too close to revealing significant truths. Another caller, a nurse from Dugway Proving Ground, recounts an incident where two intimidating men in suits arrived to transfer a patient who had been injured while working with something classified, hinting at the men in black’s involvement.
A nurse recalls an incident at Dugway Proving Ground where two men in suits took a patient, insisting on taking his medical records with them. Jim shares a story about government involvement in cattle mutilations, often linked to black helicopters and bio-warfare experiments involving nicotine and fluorescent paint. Another caller mentions a connection between men in black and Asian features, which Jim confirms is a common description in such stories. Gina from Sacramento recounts a paralyzing encounter with a tall, sinister man in black, emphasizing the eerie nature of these experiences. Jim confirms that such stories are consistent with many reported men in black encounters.
Jim elaborates on the historical and cultural archetypes of men in black, connecting them to figures in macumba and voodoo religions, where similar beings are associated with black magic and cemeteries or crossroads. He suggests that government men in black are more likely to appear in UFO-related encounters, while purely paranormal men in black are more mysterious and frightening. A caller recounts an incident in 1970 at an electronics plant where men in black took away a fuel-efficient device she worked on, echoing the story of Nikola Tesla’s confiscated work. Jim acknowledges the daunting presence of men in black, whether governmental or paranormal. Another caller references the secrecy surrounding medical procedures for individuals with high-security clearances, supported by a CIA memo on the use of anesthesia. A theory is mentioned that men in black might be a cleanup crew from the future, ensuring events do not alter the timeline.
Jim and Art continue with more calls and intriguing stories. One caller from California recounts an episode of missing time and a subsequent terrifying encounter with a man in black who forced his way into her car, threatened her life, and then disappeared. The caller’s fear led to a diagnosis of agoraphobia. Jim acknowledges that this story aligns with other men in black encounters, suggesting that such events might be connected to episodes of missing time, which could involve either paranormal phenomena or government mind control programs.
Another caller shares a story involving a police helicopter and a mysterious light that led to a strange experience at a stoplight, hinting at possible men in black involvement. Jim discusses the eerie nature of these encounters, which often leave the witnesses with more questions than answers.
A caller recounts an experience at a club where four men in black with strange eyes followed him and his friends around, exhibiting unusual and unsettling behavior. Jim confirms that such descriptions, particularly the odd eyes, are consistent with other men in black stories. They discuss the timing of the comedy film “Men in Black,” speculating that its origin from a comic book rather than a serious attempt to cover up real phenomena likely influenced its tone.
Another caller, Roxann from Napa County, shares a childhood memory of playing in her backyard in San Francisco. She describes how her sister disappeared mysteriously while they were playing, and her fear of repeating the story due to its bizarre nature and the reactions of others, including an attempt to rationalize it as a repressed memory of child molestation.
Roxann continues her story, describing how she saw two men in black injecting her unconscious sister with a syringe in the backyard. Terrified, she tried to alert her mother but decided to rescue her sister instead. When she returned, the men were gone, and her sister awoke groggy and unaware of what had happened. Roxann emphasizes the vivid details of the memory and her certainty that it was not a fabrication. Jim finds her account credible due to the specific details she provided, although he notes he hasn’t heard this particular story before. Art and Jim reflect on the prevalence of such stories and consider the possibility of writing another book on the subject.
Another caller from Portland shares a family story about men in black appearing after his great-grandfather’s death, who was part of a benevolent order. His grandmother described them as dressing the deceased like Dracula, linking them to the ritualistic aspects of secret societies.
A caller recounts how after a graveside ceremony, men in black appeared, took blood from his deceased grandfather, and collected his papers. His grandmother used to warn them that men in black could steal their souls. Jim comments that such stories suggest connections to secret societies or the Vatican, noting the existence of the Knights of the Apocalypse, a Catholic order tasked with combating the Antichrist. Art mentions his interviews with Father Malachi Martin, who spoke of a vast labyrinth of secret material under the Vatican.
Another caller named Cougar describes a series of strange events, including an encounter with a large, silent, glowing ball of light and subsequent footsteps and noises near their tent. He links these events to the men in black, seeking help to recall more details through hypnosis, which he cannot afford.
Art and Jim continue their conversation, receiving more calls about men in black encounters. One caller recounts an event at White Sands Missile Range where she witnessed a strange light and a subsequent military operation involving covered trucks. Later, she saw a man in a black suit with an army escort speaking with her parents, who brushed it off as routine despite the unusual nature of the visit. Jim comments on the dual nature of such phenomena, acknowledging both a potential paranormal aspect and the government’s interest in covering up advanced technologies by promoting the extraterrestrial narrative.
Jim discusses his upcoming book on mind control, detailing CIA projects like MKUltra and exploring the history and truth behind mind control experiments. Art and Jim express surprise at the credible and numerous responses from callers about men in black encounters, suggesting that hundreds of thousands of such stories likely exist worldwide.
A caller from Omaha, Nebraska, shares an experience from June 1975 involving a strange light over a cemetery that changed colors and seemed to land there. The next day, the caller’s family investigated and encountered two men in an old but pristine black car who questioned their presence and instructed them to leave. The men were not dressed in black but wore World War II-era clothing, creating an eerie and authoritative presence. Jim notes that while this might not be a typical men in black story, it still fits into the broader pattern of mysterious, authoritative figures appearing in unusual circumstances.
Jim and Art continue to discuss encounters with the men in black. A caller from Ohio inquires about the connection between the Mothman sightings and the collapse of the Silver Bridge in the 1960s. Jim confirms that there were reports of men in black in Point Pleasant before the bridge collapsed, suggesting a possible link. Another caller shares an experience from 1985 in Pennsylvania, where he woke up to see a man in a black tuxedo-like coat reaching out to him, which left him feeling shaken and led to an unexplained 20-pound weight loss overnight. Jim remarks on the mysterious nature of such encounters.
A caller from Upper New York shares another sighting involving a flatbed truck transporting something marked as U.S. government property. Jim notes that such sightings are common, especially in Nevada, and often involve men in black.
A caller from San Jose, California, describes an incident from the late 1970s where, after falling and breaking his ankle at work, he saw two men in black who seemed to be taking inventory but did not help him, adding to the unsettling nature of these encounters.
Jim discusses his upcoming book, “Mind Control World Control,” which explores CIA projects like MKUltra and the history of mind control. Art and Jim are surprised by the volume and credibility of the responses about men in black, suggesting there could be hundreds of thousands of such stories worldwide.
A caller shares a story about losing weight overnight after seeing a man in black. Jim explains “Alternative Three,” a hoax from British TV in the 1970s about an elite escape plan from a dying Earth, noting that elements of the story reflect real conspiracies. Jim intended to debunk the men in black phenomenon but found many credible cases, leading him to believe there is truth to these stories.
Art reflects on the rarity of men in black stories in popular literature despite their prevalence among personal accounts. Jim concludes that understanding the men in black requires dealing with the impossible and acknowledges the subject’s complexity and incredibility.
Jim’s book “Casebook on the Men in Black” is available for $14.95 by calling 1-800-680-4638. Art transitions to open lines for any topic, mentioning his book “The Quickening” is now widely available.
The segment covers various topics Art Bell discusses on his show. Firstly, he mentions that British scientists who cloned Dolly the sheep have cloned another lamb named Polly with human genes, raising concerns about the implications of genetic research. Art then discusses a Reuters report warning of the potential misuse of gene therapy to create genetic weapons targeting specific ethnic groups, a concern echoing themes from his book “The Quickening.”
He transitions to lighter topics, including a NASA joke about the collision of the Russian space station Mir and a supply rocket, attributed humorously to “objects in Mir are closer than they appear.” He also tells a humorous anecdote about a man needing a gorilla removal service, involving a trained chihuahua and a shotgun.
Art mentions a bizarre news item where three Yemeni men filed a lawsuit against NASA, claiming ownership of Mars inherited from their ancestors 3,000 years ago. They were upset that NASA’s Pathfinder and Sojourner explored Mars without their consent. Art questions the validity of their claim and NASA’s response.
A caller from the West of the Rockies praises the men in black stories, and Art expresses his enjoyment in covering unique topics that other talk show hosts might avoid.
Art discusses the persistence of the men in black phenomenon, noting their presence in mythology for possibly thousands of years. A caller inquires about Madman Markham, who had not been heard from after an experiment involving a high voltage Jacob’s Ladder, leaving his fate a mystery. Another caller is intrigued by the Knights of the Apocalypse, a group supposedly linked to the Vatican, and asks if Art would explore the catacombs under the Vatican. Art expresses interest in the offer.
They then touch on the growing concern about genetic research, referencing the cloning of Polly the lamb with human genes, which Art finds alarming. The discussion moves to the Phoenix lights phenomenon, with Richard Hoagland scheduled to report on it, promising a concise and impactful presentation. Art speculates on a possible connection between the loss of contact with NASA’s Pathfinder on the 20th and significant events expected between the 20th and 26th, hinting at a deliberate action by NASA.
A caller asks about the alignment of planets and its potential supernatural implications, drawing a connection to biblical prophecies. Art humorously suggests that such alignments won’t cause an immediate end to the world.
A caller discusses the connection between the United Nations and a biblical prophecy about a seven-headed beast, suggesting that the UN’s structure mirrors this prophecy. Art reads a fax from Dean questioning the police’s handling of a case where an 18-block area was blocked off due to a possible suicide, implying there might be more to the story. Art agrees, expressing discomfort with the inconsistencies in the reports about the incident.
Another caller shares their skepticism about the media’s handling of the story and the police’s actions, suggesting it feels like another event where the full truth will never be known, similar to the Kennedy assassination. They discuss the strange circumstances surrounding the incident and the police’s eagerness to close the case without a trial.
Art and the caller reflect on the tragic nature of the situation and the desire to understand why the suspect did what he did. The conversation touches on the emotional toll on the families involved and the frustration of not having a complete explanation.
Art and his caller discuss various topics. The caller initially addresses campaign finance reform, expressing skepticism about any significant changes occurring. Art humorously offers a plot on Mars for sale, emphasizing the unlikely nature of true reform.
Next, a caller from Phoenix tries to predict a heat wave, which Art notes is not a bold prediction given the time of year. Another caller, a Miami police officer using a pseudonym, reveals that the Miami police and FBI were disappointed they couldn’t capture a suspect alive, a sentiment Art agrees with, noting the importance of understanding the motivations behind such actions.
Art reflects on societal issues, emphasizing the need to understand why individuals commit heinous acts for attention. He stresses the importance of capturing such individuals alive to gain insights into their motivations and prevent future occurrences.
A first-time caller from Vancouver shares their intrigue and confusion after listening to a program featuring Colonel Corso, whose revelations about his experiences and background were either astonishing truths or difficult-to-believe fabrications. Art sympathizes with the caller’s reaction, noting the compelling nature of Corso’s testimony.
A caller from Vancouver shares their eagerness to obtain Art’s book “The Quickening,” expressing frustration that it isn’t available in local bookstores despite Colonel Corso’s book being listed. Art explains that his book should be available soon and advises the caller to keep checking. The caller, originally from Holland, appreciates the conversation and promises to call again.
Another caller brings up the topic of black cats and superstitions, asking Art about the fear associated with black cats and the number 13. Art humorously explains that the fear of black cats is linked to the belief that crossing paths with one brings bad luck, potentially resulting in vaporization or other misfortunes.