Art begins by describing the stormy weather in the American Southwest. He then introduces the evening’s agenda, which includes a discussion with Dr. Holland from a company related to Bilston, known for intriguing work. Art directs listeners to his website, where he has posted some astonishing photographs.
The show takes a turn when Art confronts Mr. Kal Korff, who publicly retracts false statements made about Art and apologizes to both Art and the CBC radio network. Art emphasizes the importance of truth in ufology debates and warns against making slanderous claims without facts. Mr. Korff acknowledges his mistake and expresses his ongoing interest in UFO research, sharing his own unexplained UFO sighting.
Art discusses the program’s popularity, citing impressive listener ratings in Boise, Idaho, and nationally. He thanks his audience for their support, contributing to the show’s success. He expresses amazement at the show’s high listener ratings and mentions that the show is leading by a significant margin over competitors. Art then shifts focus to a recent storm, describing how his wife Ramona captured extraordinary photographs during it. One of these photos, which he considers one of the best he’s ever seen, features a double rainbow and a bolt of lightning captured simultaneously, a rare occurrence. He invites listeners to visit his website to view these photographs, emphasizing the remarkable nature of these images.
Art also highlights the variety of things they grow in their desert garden, debunking the misconception that nothing can grow in such an environment. The website also features photographs of visits from notable guests like Dannion Brinkley and Richard Hoagland.
Further, Art previews an upcoming segment with Dr. John Holland, whose research suggests that humans can influence random number generators with their minds. This segment is intended to be interactive, as listeners with computers can download software to test this theory themselves.
Art mentions a TBS program about conspiracies and the growing distrust in government institutions, where he and his show will be featured. He reflects on how Americans have lost faith in their institutions, a theme that resonates with his audience and the topics often covered on his show.
A caller named Margaret from Denver discusses the concept of reverse speech, particularly in relation to individuals with impaired speech due to conditions like stroke. Art acknowledges the interesting nature of the question and plans to explore this with David Oates, an expert on reverse speech, in a future episode.
Another caller, Dave from Reading, Pennsylvania, brings up Alex Collier, a person who claims to have contact with extraterrestrial humans from Andromeda. Collier disseminates his information through videotapes, audiotapes, and a website. Art expresses interest in this topic and considers inviting Collier to the show.
Art then reports on a recent environmental concern: eight people were hospitalized and 10,000 fish found dead at the Chesapeake Bay, an event that state officials are taking seriously despite some downplaying the severity. This leads to a broader discussion about environmental issues, including the depletion of the ozone layer, which is being investigated by a shuttle mission that has launched a German satellite for monitoring.
Art emphasizes the importance of these environmental concerns, suggesting that if such issues warrant the expense of a shuttle mission, they must be significant.
One caller, identifying as an herbalist from Ohio, shares an anecdote about a tuberculosis (TB) hospital in the 1930s. He recounts how ether, used during surgery, seemingly cleared TB spots from a patient’s lungs, leading to speculation about ether’s potential therapeutic effects. Art suggests that this could be a topic for future exploration, especially with an upcoming guest, Kathy Guccione, who was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
Another caller, Daphne from California, presents a peculiar experience: she hears a heartbeat sound during phone calls to a dream analyst on the same radio station. This phenomenon has been confirmed by cardiologists listening to her recordings. Art speculates whether it could be an irregular heartbeat or sleep apnea. He encourages Daphne to share this phenomenon with the dream analyst.
The next caller, Lori from Minnesota, reports a local environmental concern about dead fish in the rivers, questioning the cause. She also raises a question about crop circles, wondering if they could be related to ancient Egyptian symbols. Art shares his belief that crop circles are messages but clarifies that they are not Egyptian symbols.
Art then revisits the topic of the remarkable photograph taken by his wife, Ramona, during a storm, which captured a double rainbow and a lightning bolt. He emphasizes the rarity and significance of this photograph, likening its uniqueness to winning the lottery.
Art Bell continues discussing various topics with callers. He elaborates on the extraordinary photograph taken by his wife, Ramona, during a storm. This photo captured a double rainbow and a vivid lightning strike simultaneously, which Art describes as one of the most remarkable photographs he has ever seen. He encourages listeners to visit his website to view this and other interesting photos, including visits from Daniel Brinkley and Richard Hoagland, and images of their garden in the desert.
A caller named Orrin from Washington shares his experience of visiting the main gate of Area 51. He describes being denied entry due to insufficient clearance, despite just wanting to get laundry soap. Orrin also mentions a compound between Area 51 and another area where explosive ordnance disposal technicians stay, suggesting it could be identified in aerial photographs.
Another caller questions why Lieutenant Colonel Corso skirted the subject of time travel in an interview. Art explains that Corso discussed time travel with Prime Time, but the show used his comments at the end of the interview to diminish the impact of the material presented earlier. Art assures that Corso clarified this in an interview with him and plans to repeat that interview since Corso is no longer doing interviews.
A caller named Ray from Fremont offers a theory that crop circles may be messages left by a past advanced civilization on Earth, possibly as a warning or record of a destructive polar shift. Art finds this theory fascinating and suggests that it could make a great movie plot.
Next, a caller named Matt from San Diego discusses the theme of ‘clear and present danger,’ relating it to the potential misuse of power by those in authority and the importance of information integrity in the current age. Art agrees with Matt’s concerns and urges listeners with internet access to visit his website for more intriguing content.
The show then transitions to an interview with Dr. John E. Holland, a senior executive with extensive experience in management, strategic planning, and the exploration of the power of the mind. Dr. Holland, President and CEO of PEAR Inc., discusses his company’s research into anomalous phenomena, particularly psychokinesis (the ability of the mind to affect matter without physical interaction) and remote perception (also known as remote viewing).
Art reveals that Dr. Holland’s previous appearance on “Dreamland” made a significant impact, prompting him to invite Dr. Holland back for a more in-depth discussion. They delve into the scientific evidence supporting remote viewing, referencing research conducted at the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research laboratories since 1981.
Dr. Holland explains that the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) laboratories have conducted extensive research in this area, starting by replicating earlier studies by Hal Puthoff at the Stanford Research Institute. PEAR’s research used rigorous statistical protocols to demonstrate correlations in remote viewing experiments that exceeded chance expectations, even in precognitive scenarios.
Dr. Holland describes a typical remote viewing experiment: a sender is randomly assigned a location to observe, while a receiver, located elsewhere, attempts to perceive and record information about that location. He gives an example where one person is sent to the Eiffel Tower, and another, without prior knowledge of the location, tries to remotely view it. The receiver records their impressions, sketches, and other descriptors. Dr. Holland emphasizes the importance of precise protocols in these experiments.
Art and Dr. Holland discuss the skepticism surrounding remote viewing. Dr. Holland responds to doubters by urging them to study the data and understand the experimental protocols. He shares his personal experience with remote viewing, describing a vivid instance when he received a clear mental image related to an assigned target.
Dr. Holland recounts a personal remote viewing experience where he accurately visualized a specific location at Princeton University, including a Henry Moore sculpture, despite never having been there before. This experience, which aligns closely with the physical reality of the location, left him amazed and prompted him to visit Princeton to see the site firsthand.
Art asks Dr. Holland how he, as a scientist, assimilates such extraordinary experiences that seem to defy conventional scientific understanding. Dr. Holland explains that while his scientific mind is quick to reject unusual phenomena, he also recognizes the importance of direct perception and intuition, which have historically played significant roles in scientific discoveries. He cites the example of the benzene molecule’s discovery through a dream.
Discussing the mechanism behind remote viewing, Dr. Holland mentions that the only known theoretical explanation is quantum entanglement. This concept suggests that events can remain correlated independent of time and space, which could potentially explain the phenomena observed in remote viewing.
Dr. Holland speculates that remote perception might be a biological phenomenon rooted in quantum mechanics. He compares the mystery of quantum mechanics to other phenomena like electricity, where the effects are understood, but the precise mechanisms remain elusive.
Finally, Art asks about the statistical significance of remote viewing results. Dr. Holland estimates that the results are about 15-30% above chance, based on Princeton’s data. He clarifies that while the correlation is significant, it’s not so strong that it guarantees accuracy every time.
Dr. Holland explains that the odds of successfully remote viewing a specific location, such as the Eiffel Tower, are about one in a billion. He emphasizes the importance of scientific principles like replicability and statistical demonstration in evaluating such phenomena. Despite the low percentage of success (15 to 30%), the fact that these remote viewing occurrences happen at all, with odds of one in a billion, is significant and challenges the bounds of conventional science.
Art and Dr. Holland discuss the evolution of science from focusing on mass and matter to energy and, more recently, information. This shift in focus highlights how information exchange and ordering play crucial roles in phenomena like remote viewing. Dr. Holland recommends “Margins of Reality” by Professors Robert Jahn and Brenda Dunne for those interested in exploring this topic further.
Dr. Holland also touches on the military’s use of remote viewing for specific target acquisition, differentiating his interest in the phenomenon as a scientifically inexplicable but replicable event. He reiterates that remote viewing is akin to creativity and that anyone, not just those with claimed psychic abilities, can potentially develop these skills.
Art Bell finds these insights mind-shattering, particularly the idea that an ordinary person can achieve something with such astronomical odds.
Dr. Holland addresses the idea of remote influencing, which involves influencing someone’s thoughts or actions from a distance. He notes that this kind of influence has been a part of human interaction for as long as living things have existed. He points out that we all experience influence in everyday life, such as being swayed by a persuasive salesperson. However, distinguishing between external influence and original thought can be challenging.
Dr. Holland suggests that individuals naturally develop a skepticism or resistance to external influence as a survival mechanism. He also touches on the application of these concepts in military and martial arts training, where sensing and countering external influence is crucial.
When Art Bell raises the possibility of governments being interested in remote influencing for their own purposes, Dr. Holland agrees that any group or individual with self-interest might be drawn to such capabilities. He points out that business executives often exhibit traits like charisma and intuition, which can be seen as forms of influence.
The conversation then shifts to the historical use of similar practices in shamanism and mysticism, suggesting that these phenomena are not new but are now being refined and understood in new ways. Dr. Holland proposes that these capabilities might be inherent in normal individuals and not just those perceived as extraordinary leaders or mystics.
Art Bell asks about the reactions of scientists who are unfamiliar with these concepts. Dr. Holland’s response to this question is not included in the transcript, but it is likely that such conversations would provoke a range of reactions, from skepticism to curiosity, given the unconventional nature of these topics.
Dr. Holland discusses the inherent challenge in getting the scientific community to explore phenomena like remote sensing, citing the specialized and entrenched nature of scientific language and thinking. He notes that scientists, like anyone else, are influenced by their belief systems, and if these beliefs don’t align with the concept of remote sensing, it becomes difficult to engage in meaningful discussion.
Art Bell brings up the Brookings Report, which speculated on society’s reaction to the discovery of extraterrestrial life, suggesting that scientists might struggle the most with such a revelation. Dr. Holland agrees that while the mainstream scientific community might resist, those on the fringes who are used to exploring new phenomena would find it fascinating.
They then discuss the potential implications of widespread remote sensing skills. Art asks if a world with no secrets is possible if everyone develops these abilities. Dr. Holland believes that while proficiency in remote sensing can improve, it is unlikely to reach a point where no secrets exist.
Dr. Holland agrees with the suggestion that teams of well-trained remote viewers could achieve higher success rates than individuals. He describes an exercise used in management training that demonstrates the potential of collective remote viewing or sensing.
The conversation shifts to the concept of human minds being entangled, suggesting a deep interconnectedness that could facilitate remote sensing. Dr. Holland references Lewis Thomas’s work, which posits that humans might be more interconnected than we realize.
Art Bell announces a break and sets up the next segment of the show, where they will discuss psychokinesis and a software program related to Dr. Holland’s work. Art encourages listeners to visit his website to download a free demo of the software called “Shape Changer,” which is designed to explore psychokinesis.
Art Bell recaps his discussion with Dr. John E. Holland about remote viewing, emphasizing its astonishing success rate of 20 to 30% in achieving outcomes with one in a billion odds. The show is about to transition to discussing psychokinesis, the ability to influence physical objects with one’s mind. Art encourages listeners to visit his website to download a free software program related to this topic.
Art then makes several announcements, including an upcoming CNN program featuring him discussing why people increasingly distrust the government. He also mentions the availability of unique photographs on his website, captured by his wife during a storm, which include a double rainbow and a lightning strike – a rare occurrence he plans to discuss further with Dr. Holland.
The show revisits a previous segment where Art Bell confronted Carl Korth, who had made slanderous statements about him. Korth retracted his statements and apologized, leading to a discussion about the importance of truth in public discourse.
After the break, Art Bell reintroduces Dr. Holland, highlighting his extensive experience in management, strategic planning, and the exploration of the power of the mind’s influence on health, performance, and leadership. Art provides a detailed overview of Dr. John E. Holland’s background and the work of PEAR Inc., a company focused on researching and commercializing technologies related to anomalous phenomena like psychokinesis and remote perception. Dr. Holland, with his extensive experience in various scientific and academic fields, has been investigating the capacity of the mind to influence matter and perception.
The discussion then shifts to the topic of psychokinesis, defined as the ability to affect physical objects or events using the mind. Dr. Holland explains that their research specifically explores how the mind can alter random events, making them non-random. This is demonstrated through a computer program that uses a random number generator to mix pixels on a screen between two images, and the user’s intention is to resolve the pixels to match the image they are focusing on.
Art Bell shares his personal experience with this program, describing how he tested it by leaving the room and allowing the program to run without his influence, resulting in low scores. However, when he focused his mind on a specific outcome, the scores improved significantly. This experiment led him to believe in the efficacy of the program and the concept of psychokinesis.
The software, named “Shape Changer,” is available for download on Art Bell’s website, and listeners are encouraged to try it for themselves. Art Bell expresses his amazement at the results he observed and is curious about the scientific explanation behind this phenomenon.
Dr. Holland acknowledges that while it is clear the program works, understanding exactly how it works remains a significant question, hinting at the vast and unexplored potential of the human mind to interact with and influence the physical world.
Dr. Holland explains that the software, named “Shape Changer,” uses a computer to generate random events, which users can attempt to influence with their intention. He notes that while randomness can sometimes produce high scores, consistently achieving high scores requires intentional focus. Dr. Holland mentions that one effective protocol for influencing the outcome is to interact with the computer as if it were a sentient being.
Art Bell describes his experience with the software, noting that when he concentrated on the images, his scores were significantly higher compared to when he wasn’t focusing or was out of the room. This observation led him to conclude that the software works and that psychokinesis is a real phenomenon.
Dr. Holland discusses the challenge in creating a truly non-deterministic random number generator in computers, as opposed to a pseudo-random number generator which follows a predictable pattern after starting. The “Shape Changer” software, while simple, demonstrates the potential of the human mind to influence random events.
Art and Dr. Holland also explore whether one can improve their ability to influence random events through practice and concentration. Dr. Holland recounts his initial skepticism about psychokinesis and how his experiences at Princeton and with remote perception changed his views. He describes Princeton’s use of random physical events in their experiments, such as water spouts and pendulums, to study psychokinesis.
Art and Dr. John E. Holland discuss the concept of psychokinesis in relation to computer technology. Dr. Holland recounts an experience at Pillsbury, where he observed that certain individuals, referred to as having ‘a touch’, could fix mainframe computer issues more effectively than others. This led him to consider the possibility of a symbiotic relationship between people and machines.
Dr. Holland explains that at Princeton’s PEAR lab, experiments were conducted to investigate whether human intention could influence random physical processes to become non-random. This included altering computer-generated random events, with implications for fields like computer repair and even national security. The experiments suggested that human intention can indeed influence random events in significant ways.
Art Bell shares his personal experience with the “Shape Changer” software developed by PEAR Inc. He describes how, through concentration and visualization, he was able to influence the random noise on his computer screen to form clear images. His success in consistently achieving this outcome led him to believe in the power of psychokinesis.
Dr. Holland notes that different individuals have varying levels of success with the software, and he suggests that visualization and direct interaction with the machine are more effective approaches than merely thinking about the desired outcome. He mentions that some people even wrote poems about their experiences with the software, highlighting the profound impact it had on them.
Dr. Holland shares an anecdote from his time at Pillsbury, where certain individuals known for having ‘a touch’ were able to fix mainframe computers more efficiently than others. This observation led him to consider the potential for a symbiotic relationship between humans and machines.
The discussion then shifts to how human intention can influence random events in computers, a phenomenon that was of great interest to Princeton’s PEAR lab. Dr. Holland elaborates on the idea of ‘mind switch,’ a concept exploring how human intention could potentially influence critical systems like missile sites or stealth bombers.
Dr. Holland describes the ‘Shape Changer’ program as a simple example of how users can influence random events on a computer screen. Art Bell shares his experience with the program, noting that when his focus wavered, so did his scores. Dr. Holland explains that different approaches to focusing intention, like visualization or interacting directly with the machine, can affect the outcome.
The conversation then delves into the idea of using devices to enhance human capabilities in influencing random events. Dr. Holland talks about a specific device they developed, called ‘OrbCell,’ which can influence switches to turn lights or radios on and off. He suggests that this ability might be a deep biological property of living things.
Dr. Holland also mentions experimenting with animals, specifically raccoons, using a device to see if they can open a gumball machine with their intention to get food. This experiment suggests that the ability to influence physical objects with the mind might not be limited to humans.
Bell proposes using brain imaging technologies like electroencephalography (EEG) or positron emission tomography (PET) to study the brain’s activity during psychokinetic tasks. Dr. Holland agrees that this could be a valuable avenue of research to understand which parts of the brain are responsible for these capabilities.
Dr. Holland discusses his observations at Pillsbury regarding the ‘touch’ some individuals seemed to have with mainframe computers. He suggests that this might indicate a symbiotic relationship between certain people and machines, where intention and focus play a role.
They discuss how the Princeton PEAR lab’s research demonstrated that human intention can alter random physical processes, leading to non-random outcomes. This research led to the development of devices like ‘OrbCell’, which can influence switches and outcomes based on human intention.
Art Bell raises the possibility of using brain imaging technologies to study the brain’s activity during psychokinetic tasks. Dr. Holland supports this idea, explaining that it could help identify which neurons are active during such activities.
The conversation then turns to the broader implications of psychokinesis. Dr. Holland believes this ability has always been present in humans and is now being recognized and understood. He speculates that as we learn more about how it works, we could potentially train and manage it better.
Art Bell relates this to his personal experience of growing artichokes in the desert, wondering if talking to plants could affect their growth. Dr. Holland suggests that if their upcoming experiments with primitive cells like Euglena show positive results, it could indicate that the ability to influence living things with intention might be a conserved trait across all kingdoms of life.
Dr. Holland addresses a question from a listener regarding why inorganic matter seems to be driven to combine into organic matter. He talks about the research on complexity and self-organization, suggesting that self-organizing properties seem to cause an increase in complexity, which could explain the emergence of organic matter from inorganic matter.
Art Bell then asks Dr. Holland whether other researchers around the world might be far ahead in similar studies. Dr. Holland acknowledges the possibility of synchronicity in scientific research but doubts that others are significantly more advanced in this specific field. He notes that the Soviet Union had classified all psychic research around 1966 and that the U.S. has usually followed suit in response to such developments.
They discuss the positive implications of this research. Dr. Holland suggests that if we truly understand and harness our interconnectedness and resonance with others, it could lead to a more empathetic and harmonious world.
The conversation shifts to potential medical applications, like noninvasive treatments for clogged arteries, and the role of the placebo effect in health. Dr. Holland emphasizes that about one-third of bodily functions are influenced by the mind, highlighting the potential impact on healthcare if this aspect is effectively managed.
Art Bell then reflects on the rapid pace of change in various aspects of human life, including the environment, social behavior, and the economy. He shares his observation that events seem to be quickening, not just due to increased communication but on a more fundamental level.
Dr. Holland expands on this idea by discussing his work on organizations as living entities and not human. He suggests that the evolution of organizations and their impact on human behavior and the environment could be a contributing factor to the perceived acceleration of events.
A caller from Fresno asks about the randomness of static on a television screen, wondering if it’s possible to influence it through concentration. Dr. Holland agrees that while static (white noise) appears random, it would be challenging to discern any influence without a method to track changes, highlighting the usefulness of the “Shape Changer” software in providing a measurable way to observe such influences.
Another caller from Las Vegas questions the storage of memories in unconventional parts of the body, like a finger or a tooth. Dr. Holland clarifies that his research suggests that memory and consciousness are not limited to the brain but are distributed throughout the body at a cellular level.
A question arises about whether human evolution can be accelerated. Dr. Holland believes that while organizational and cultural evolution is progressing rapidly, individual human evolution is not keeping pace. He emphasizes the importance of not losing sight of unique human qualities like creativity and intuition.
A caller from Jacksonville inquires about the potential subconscious influence on global events, referring to the concept of ‘The Quickening.’ Dr. Holland suggests that the conscious mind is just a small part of brain function and that much of our operation is unconscious. He proposes that unconscious processes could indeed be influencing events on a massive scale.
A caller inquires about the possibility of influencing the static on a TV screen, which is typically random noise, through concentration. Dr. Holland suggests that while it might be possible to affect random noise, discerning any change without a specific method to measure it would be challenging.
Dr. Holland shares an experiment conducted during the presidential election between Clinton and Dole. He had a device running continuously, which showed significant deviation from chance, suggesting a collective consciousness effect influenced by human interaction.
Art Bell then shares an experiment he conducted with his audience, where they collectively tried to communicate telepathically with UFOs. Following this, there were major UFO sightings, including the lights over Phoenix. Dr. Holland suggests that such collective concentration could indeed create or influence such phenomena.
A caller from Hawaii discusses her experience with the concept that thoughts can create or influence reality and asks how this relates to societal phenomena like the “100th monkey” effect. Dr. Holland confirms that collective consciousness can indeed have measurable effects, as demonstrated in his experiments.
Art Bell asks Dr. Holland about the potential applications of their research. Dr. Holland expresses a desire for feedback from the audience on potential applications of their technology, which could help address deeper human needs. He also discusses the potential of this research in understanding the relationship between the neural system and the immune response system.
In response to a question about the ethical implications of using animal organs for human transplants, Dr. Holland acknowledges the complexities involved, especially considering the potential for unexpected outcomes when mixing animal and human cellular memory.
Art Bell shares Dr. Holland’s email address for listeners who wish to communicate with him directly.
A caller discusses his experience with the “Shape Changer” software, mentioning how he successfully influenced images on the screen. Dr. Holland confirms that strong outward-bound feelings can affect random processes. He notes that children with attention deficit disorder respond well to the software and that emotions like anger can influence the results.
Art Bell raises a question about the impact of substances like alcohol, narcotics, or psychedelics on one’s ability to affect random number generators. Dr. Holland states that they haven’t conducted experiments with drugs but observes that emotional states can influence outcomes. He suggests that drugs causing strong emotional expressions might affect the results, whereas introspective substances like LSD might not.
Another caller inquires about the concept of Kundalini in relation to psychokinesis. Dr. Holland acknowledges Kundalini as a powerful way to raise energy and influence such phenomena. He agrees that it is an evolutionary energy and mentions that while Kundalini is rooted in specific cultural practices, the experience is universal across various cultures.
The conversation also touches on the work of Joseph Chilton Pierce and his exploration of human consciousness and potential. A caller references Doug Boyd’s book on Rolling Thunder, a Native American medicine man, further illustrating the diverse cultural perspectives on these phenomena.
Dr. Holland reiterates the central premise of the Princeton research and his own work: humans constantly create their reality at the margins. He explains that while individual intentions can influence reality, the collective action of many people can either support or oppose these intentions. This concept aligns with the ideas of morphogenic fields proposed by Rupert Sheldrake and the implicate order discussed by David Bohm.
A caller mentions the idea that humans are creating their own physical reality through their thoughts, a concept that Dr. Holland supports. He refers to the phenomenon of morphogenic resonance, providing the example of rats learning to run mazes faster in different parts of the world due to a collective learning effect.
Art Bell emphasizes the importance of the research and invites listeners to email Dr. Holland with their questions and experiences. He also encourages listeners to download the “Shape Changer” software from his website and share their results.
As the show concludes, Art Bell thanks Dr. Holland for his insights and invites him to return for another session in the future. He then informs the audience about the availability of new photographs and other content on his website and signs off, promising to return with another program the next evening.