Art begins the show by greeting listeners from various time zones, emphasizing the global reach of Coast to Coast AM. He introduces Malachi Martin, an eminent theologian and expert on the Roman Catholic Church, known for his work on possession and exorcism. Martin’s book “Hostage to the Devil” details the exorcism of five Americans, while his latest book, “Windswept House,” explores the condition of the Vatican. Martin describes the decline of the Roman Catholic Church, stating it has strayed from its traditional beliefs, particularly regarding the purpose of marriage and human liberty. He emphasizes that the church’s governors have led the faithful astray with new teachings that compromise fundamental doctrines. Art and Martin discuss how the purpose of marriage has shifted from procreation to celebrating parental love, which Martin asserts is not traditional Catholic doctrine. He also mentions the change in the church’s stance on religious freedom and the distribution of power among the Pope and bishops, which he believes dilutes the Pope’s absolute authority in religious matters.
Art and Malachi Martin continue discussing the changes within the Catholic Church, emphasizing how the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) led to significant shifts in doctrine and practice. Martin explains that the democratization of the church has diluted traditional beliefs, such as the presence of Christ in the Eucharist and the purpose of marriage. He notes that many Catholics have been led into a form of belief that deviates from traditional Catholicism, with only about 5% in Europe actively practicing their faith. This decline, Martin argues, is due to the church’s attempt to modernize and become more progressive, which has led to a dilution of basic dogmas. He describes the political maneuvering during the Second Vatican Council, where progressive leaders used parliamentary tactics to push through new doctrines. Martin also highlights a speech by Pope Paul VI in 1965, which marked a shift towards the church supporting the building of a material civilization, a departure from its traditional spiritual focus. Despite the intent to bring people back to the faith, Martin asserts that these changes have led to a significant decline in religious practice and adherence to traditional doctrines.
Art and Malachi Martin delve into the irreversible mistakes made by the Vatican. Martin asserts that power has shifted from the Vatican bureaucracy to individual bishops, weakening the central authority. They discuss a character in Martin’s book “Windswept House,” revealed to be based on Cardinal Casaroli, a significant figure who influenced Vatican policies towards the Soviet Union, often to the detriment of Catholics in communist countries. Casaroli’s secular approach contrasted with traditional beliefs and devotions, such as those associated with the miracles of Fatima. His policies led to disastrous effects, including a “live and let live” stance with communist regimes. Martin also touches on historical tensions between the Vatican and the Nazis, emphasizing that Pope Pius XII abhorred Nazism and did not collaborate with them, despite some individual clergymen’s actions. He concludes by stating that the Catholic Church is heading underground due to its inability to bear the weight of the current structure, with a network of Catholics reviving traditional practices emerging in various regions.
Art and Malachi Martin discuss the rise of an underground network of Catholics dedicated to traditional teachings, which is gaining potency despite being condemned by the official church. This underground faction represents about 10 million out of 1 billion Catholics but holds significant promise for the future. Martin predicts that the public presence and influence of the Catholic Church will continue to diminish, becoming negligible in the sociopolitical landscape. He explains that in modern society, governments, business communities, and various organizations, including the Catholic Church, compete in the public square, with religion losing its influence, especially in the context of the European Union’s laws that conflict with Catholic doctrines. Martin foresees the Catholic Church existing in a more private, underground form as public acceptance wanes. He notes that the papacy’s influence has diminished, reducing the Pope to more of a figurehead with little political or cultural impact. An example cited is the play “Corpus Christi,” which portrays Jesus and his disciples in a blasphemous manner according to Catholic doctrine, illustrating the loss of respect for central Catholic beliefs. Martin concludes that as the church’s influence wanes, society is already undergoing changes, with Catholic teachings losing their former weight and moral influence.
Art and Malachi Martin continue discussing the consequences of the diminishing influence of the Catholic Church. Martin emphasizes that if the church were to disappear, it would create a significant socio-cultural void, similar to the potential chaos if Islam vanished in predominantly Muslim regions. He explains that religion acts as a stabilizing force in society, and its absence would be catastrophic. Despite the church’s reduced power, Martin notes that its complete destruction is unlikely because it remains a valuable socio-political stabilizer. However, he points out that the church is already experiencing significant internal changes, such as married priests, homosexual priests, and women performing ordination ceremonies, which contradict traditional Catholic doctrine. Many Catholics are aware of these issues but feel powerless to change them due to the tight organizational structure. Martin’s book “Windswept House” aims to expose these changes and the internal struggles within the church, particularly during the 20-year tenure of Pope John Paul II. Despite facing opposition within the church, Martin continues his work, maintaining connections with key figures, including the Pope. He hints at the contentious atmosphere surrounding the Pope, with many officials harboring more hate than affection for him.
Art summarizes the discussion with Malachi Martin, emphasizing that the Catholic Church has irreversibly moved away from its original teachings, impacting societal behavior. Martin’s book “Windswept House,” though a novel, reflects real issues within the church. Martin confirms the presence of satanism within parts of the Vatican, explaining his cautious approach to avoid scandalizing believers. He acknowledges the need for a shock to awaken the faithful but prefers gradual education to avoid overwhelming people with harsh truths. Martin predicts an impending crisis within the church, leading to a possible schism or even apostasy, where fundamental Christian beliefs are abandoned. He envisions a clerical resistance against Rome’s authority, potentially fragmenting the church. This resistance could emerge from traditional Catholic regions like France, Austria, and Poland, challenging the unity of the church.
Martin discusses the concept of apostasy within the Catholic Church, highlighting that it is not just among scholars but is spreading among the people. He responds to a question from Tom in Michigan, clarifying that free will in Catholic doctrine means the liberty to choose what is right, not simply to act on whims. Martin explains that true liberty is aligned with God’s grace and revelation through Jesus Christ. He acknowledges that disputes within the church are severe and agrees that more internal conflict and violence, such as murders linked to exorcism, may occur. Martin notes that such incidents are often not publicized to avoid disturbing the public and preventing copycat behavior. He admits to feeling unsafe due to his views but continues his work undeterred. Art mentions the lost third secret of Fatima, which Martin has read but cannot discuss due to a vow of secrecy.
Art and Malachi Martin delve into the mysterious third secret of Fatima. Martin confirms he read the secret in 1960, having taken an oath of secrecy. He suggests that if revealed, it could indeed shock the church and the public. Art reads a version of the third secret that speaks of a great plague, chaos, the rise of Satan, and catastrophic events, including a devastating war and widespread death. Martin acknowledges that while this text contains elements of the true secret, it is not the exact version he read. He asserts that the actual third secret is even more traumatic, containing a central element that is not in the text Art read. Martin believes the secret should be revealed but feels he lacks the authority and assurance of God’s will to make that decision, emphasizing the potential dire effects on the world.
Martin explains that he was shown the third secret of Fatima by a cardinal who had attended a meeting with Pope John XXIII in 1960. The Pope decided not to publish the secret, partly due to ongoing negotiations with Nikita Khrushchev and his overall outlook on life, which later influenced the opening of the Vatican Council. Martin confirms that the actual third secret is more horrifying than the version Art read, focusing on an awful central element not related to natural catastrophes. Despite his belief that revealing the secret could shock the church back to its foundations, Martin feels he lacks the authority and divine assurance to do so. He is cautious about the potential scandal and the polarizing effects such a revelation might have on society.
Martin also discusses the strong will required for those in power within the church, comparing them to historical figures known for their indomitable wills. He touches on the role of the church in the context of a potential one-world government, noting that recent Popes, including John Paul II, have shown support for this concept for geopolitical reasons. John Paul II, in particular, has expressed his support for global cooperation, as reflected in his addresses and writings, aiming to integrate his brand of Christianity and Catholicism into this broader framework.
Martin discusses the Vatican’s strategy of cooperation with the formation of the European Union and the United Nations. The Vatican, deeply embedded in international life with over 140 ambassadors and representatives worldwide, including in Russia and Israel, engages actively in global diplomacy. Martin confirms that the person who wrote the version of the third secret Art read likely had some knowledge of the original text, at least by word of mouth.
Art invites listeners to send any copies they believe to be the authentic third secret. A caller from Atlanta expresses fear about an “unholy trinity” emerging from the European system, leading to a super dictator, the man of sin, and the Antichrist. Martin advises the caller not to fear, emphasizing that fear is a weapon used by the devil to unbalance the soul. He encourages the caller to take refuge in Jesus and assures him of his prayers. The caller, having had a tumultuous spiritual journey, expresses pre-millennial tension and concerns about Armageddon. Martin acknowledges the prevalent pre-millennial tension, noting that while some of it is unjustified, it arises from the significant global decisions being made beyond individual control.
Art and Malachi Martin discuss the influence of global political systems on individual votes and decisions. Martin emphasizes that global capital flows and geopolitical decisions are beyond individual control, contributing to a sense of precariousness in international relations. Art shares a personal experience of an out-of-body event in Paris, describing an indescribable joy and exhilaration. Martin confirms it as an out-of-body experience, attributing it to a divine origin and advising Art to express gratitude for it.
Returning to the third secret of Fatima, a listener from Wisconsin questions why the prophecy was kept secret from the people. Martin explains that the secret was indeed meant for the public and was ordered to be published in 1960 by divine mandate. However, Pope John XXIII decided against it for his own reasons, which Martin believes was a significant mistake. Martin acknowledges the listener’s frustration, reiterating that the prophecy was intended for the people, not just the church hierarchy.
Martin continues addressing listener concerns, explaining that God’s will is often frustrated by human actions, but it will ultimately prevail. He emphasizes that the third secret of Fatima was meant for the public, but Pope John XXIII decided not to publish it in 1960, which Martin believes was a mistake. A caller expresses a sense of purposelessness and speculates about the third secret’s impact on his future. Martin reassures the caller, attributing his feelings to guidance from his guardian angels, implying that such experiences are meant to prepare or mold individuals for something special.
Art reads a preamble to what is claimed to be the third secret, involving a message from the Mother of God urging conversion and repentance. Martin clarifies that there was no preamble in the actual text of the third secret he read. Art then reads further details about a great punishment, Satan’s influence, and potential destruction if humanity does not amend its ways. Martin acknowledges that while some elements may be familiar, the precise text he read did not include these introductory statements.
Martin confirms that the text Art read is not the exact wording of the third secret of Fatima, although it is accurate in its general depiction of events. He explains that the third secret is very specific and dry. A caller from Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, expresses gratitude for Martin’s appearance and asks about a warning given to mankind from Carbóndale, which Martin clarifies as a notice or warning. Another caller shares a sense of purposelessness and speculates about premonitions related to the third secret. Martin attributes this feeling to guidance from guardian angels and suggests finding a spiritual director for guidance.
A caller from San Jose, California, asks Martin about his book “Hostage to the Devil” and the church’s role in combating evil. Martin explains that the true church is the mystical body of believers on earth, in purgatory, and in heaven, which has the power to control evil. This power is manifested through the church’s prelates, who must authorize exorcists to combat evil. Martin emphasizes the need for proper authorization to effectively perform exorcisms and combat demonic forces.
A caller from California questions the urgency of uniting with Orthodox churches before the year 2000, as mentioned in Martin’s book “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church.” Martin explains that the rush stems from Pope John Paul II’s vision of forming a dynamic coalition of Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and other believers to create an irresistible force within nations. He emphasizes that the Orthodox churches are considered heretics and schismatics unless they return to union with Rome. Martin also discusses the impact of exorcisms on exorcists, admitting that he has experienced close calls and that performing exorcisms can cause irreparable damage.
Another caller from San Jose expresses concern about the seriousness with which some priests handle their responsibilities, particularly regarding the Eucharist. Martin acknowledges the issue, questioning the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass and the breaking of certain laws by priests and bishops. The caller also asks about the damage suffered by priests during exorcisms, and Martin confirms that exorcists often do not come back the same, sharing that he himself has had close encounters.
A caller from California challenges Martin on historical claims regarding the pope and the patriarchs, suggesting that no pope had claimed primacy over all bishops historically. Martin counters, asserting that popes like Clement and Gregory did claim such authority, acknowledged by the Orthodox churches until the schism. Martin expresses concern about the future papal succession, anticipating much trouble due to the lack of promising candidates to lead the church in a truly evangelical and morally forceful manner.
Art then reads a comment from an Australian listener who was told by a Jesuit priest that the last pope would be under Satan’s control, a claim that aligns vaguely with the third secret of Fatima. Martin acknowledges this but notes the vagueness of the account. Another listener from Iowa shares a prophecy about extreme starvation and chaos, which Martin partially validates but clarifies that it is not part of the third secret.
A caller from Hawaii questions Martin’s authority to reveal the third secret, given that it was supposed to be made public initially. Martin agrees that it should be revealed but insists that he lacks the authority to override the church hierarchy. He emphasizes that he cannot unilaterally make such a decision and must adhere to the established hierarchy of the church.
A caller from Miami Shores thanks Martin for his books, particularly “The Keys of This Blood,” and asks about Saint Malachy’s prophecy regarding the final pope, Peter of Rome. Martin explains that Malachy’s list of popes is incomplete but mentions intriguing names that often align with historical events. Another caller asks about practical steps to help reduce suffering and mentions the Blue Army, which Martin acknowledges as a valuable resource.
Art asks Martin about Benjamin Crème and Lord Maitreya, rumored to be the Antichrist. Martin dismisses this, suggesting they fulfill a pre-Antichrist role but are not the Antichrist themselves. He also touches on the discussions between Gorbachev and Pope John Paul II, explaining that the Pope sees Gorbachev as playing a role in the new world order, which John Paul II is keen to participate in.
A caller from Tulsa, Oklahoma, asks if the United States is mentioned in the third secret of Fatima. Martin confirms that the U.S. is not mentioned specifically but that relevant elements are included. The caller then seeks Martin’s professional opinion as an exorcist about a concerning event involving her mother, indicating an impending personal story.
A caller recounts a disturbing incident involving her elderly mother, who experienced violent convulsions and eye changes, making her appear dead momentarily. Martin suggests that a medical diagnosis is required before considering exorcism, as dementia is common in older individuals and can be mistaken for demonic influence. Another caller from Maryland asks about guardian angels, sharing that his life was spared twice but without perceiving any divine intervention. Martin advises cultivating a relationship with the guardian angel through prayer and honor.
Art mentions Brad Steiger, who cautioned against praying to guardian angels, a practice Martin finds puzzling and contrary to Catholic tradition. Martin expresses interest in discussing this further with Steiger. They continue discussing guardian angels and the importance of seeking divine intercession through them.
As the show progresses, Art and Martin address various callers. One caller brings up an article about the death of a previous pope, who had discovered a scandal involving the Vatican bank, mafia bankers, and cardinals. The pope planned to address these issues but died before he could present his findings.
A caller references a book by David Yallop, which suggests that Pope John Paul I was poisoned by cardinals due to his plans for significant reforms and tackling corruption within the Vatican, including issues with the Vatican bank and the mafia. Martin acknowledges the suspicious circumstances surrounding the pope’s death, agreeing that it is widely believed he did not die naturally. However, he is cautious about fully endorsing all the details of Yallop’s account, noting that some aspects remain speculative.
Another caller from California asks about the Blue Army’s lectures in the 1970s, which claimed to reveal parts of the third secret of Fatima. Martin clarifies that while the Blue Army discussed related topics, they did not disclose the actual text of the secret. He reassures the caller that the more sensational aspects of the secret do not involve the specific scenarios she recalls.
A caller from Kansas City inquires if the current pope might ever reveal the third secret. Martin doubts this, explaining that previous popes have decided against revealing it, believing the world is better off not knowing. However, he acknowledges the tension between this decision and the original divine instruction to publish the secret.
A caller from San Diego asks about Our Lady of Medjugorje’s messages, specifically concerning a potential comet as a form of divine punishment. Martin confirms that the third secret of Fatima does not mention a comet, indicating that the chastisements described are not related to a celestial impact.
A caller asks about the authenticity of the apparitions at Medjugorje, which Martin acknowledges have not been sanctioned by the Church, and thus he remains cautious about endorsing them despite the spiritual joy many have experienced. Another caller discusses Benjamin Crème’s claims about Maitreya, a figure who would reveal himself when the world is ready. Martin suggests waiting to see how these claims unfold.
A caller from Kentucky brings up a mid-19th-century legend about a female pope, which Martin debunks as a famous mistake, explaining that it originated from misinterpretations of historical artifacts and has been discredited by historians. Another caller asks if reading Revelation 12 would provide insight into the third secret of Fatima. Martin confirms that Sister Lucia indicated the secret is contained in chapters 12 to 17 of the Book of Revelation and suggests obtaining a particular painting related to Lucia’s last vision.
Martin addresses a caller’s query about Pope John Paul II’s stance on the new world order, clarifying that while the Pope opposes certain aspects, he is also trying to align the Church with the reality of its existence. Martin offers to send more information on the Garabandal apparitions upon request.
A caller inquires about Sister Lucia, one of the Fatima visionaries, and her feelings about the Church not publishing the third secret. Martin confirms that she is still alive, living in Coimbra, but remains quiet due to instructions from the Vatican. The caller expresses concern about the Church’s disobedience to divine instructions and its impact on followers. Martin acknowledges the issue, noting the widespread apostasy within the Church. He advises individuals to pray, attend communion, say the rosary, and perform acts of mercy to mitigate the coming difficulties.
Art asks if there is any circumstance under which Martin would feel free to reveal the secret. Martin responds that he would consider it if there were a total collapse at the center of the Church. He acknowledges the possibility of such a collapse but cannot predict it. The show concludes with Martin providing his address for further correspondence and expressing gratitude for the time spent discussing these important matters, attributing the ability to have such discussions to divine grace.