2001-03-07 – Brian Alexander – Cloning, Open Lines Antichrist Letter

Show: Coast To Coast AM

Air Date: March 7, 2001

Guest(s): Brian Alexander

Topic(s): Cloning, Open Lines, Antichrist Letter

Art touches upon the uproar caused by a recent show featuring Kathleen Keating, where she discussed her belief in the identity of the Antichrist, sparking widespread controversy. Art refuses to disclose the name or organization linked to this figure, directing listeners to Keating’s website for details. The episode delves into various topics, including a discussion with Brian Alexander of Wired Magazine about cloning, amidst a backdrop of mysterious occurrences and heightened interest in the Antichrist topic. Keating shares her experiences of increased scrutiny and website traffic challenges, suggesting both external pressures and technical limitations. Art reads an email from an individual claiming to be the Antichrist, expressing a desire to participate in the show but citing busyness. This individual humorously critiques the belief systems and rationality barriers in certain regions, including Texas and Princeton University. The show also explores messianic expectations, the significance of the name “Yeshua” or “Jesus,” and the qualifications for being considered the Messiah, blending religious symbolism with contemporary discussions.

Art explores the nuances of the messiah concept, discussing how a child destined to be a messiah is named with significant meanings rooted in salvation and divine expectations. The conversation shifts to a humorous and skeptical letter from an individual claiming to be the Antichrist, who critiques Kathleen Keating’s research and the general paranoia about identifying the Antichrist. This individual shares their perspective on marketing tactics, societal beliefs, and conducts a satirical critique of religious convictions and exorcism practices, reflecting a blend of humor and criticism towards the fervor surrounding the Antichrist’s identity.

The show also touches on the challenges faced by listeners trying to access Keating’s website, which has been overwhelmed by traffic following the controversial revelations. Art encourages persistence in visiting the site, emphasizing the importance of exploring these contentious topics. He reads another email mocking the Antichrist claims, which Kathleen dismisses as fiction and blasphemy, reflecting the polarized reactions to the discussion. The segment concludes with Art expressing his reluctance to publicly share the supposed name of the Antichrist, citing ethical concerns and the potential for misguided actions by listeners. The discussion then transitions to a broader conversation about evil in society, prompted by a recent school shooting incident, highlighting the show’s blend of supernatural, religious, and societal themes.

Art shifts focus to a surprising incident involving a school shooting by an eighth-grade girl, challenging the common perception that such acts are exclusively committed by boys. This deviation from the norm sparks a broader discussion about societal expectations and the unpredictability of human behavior.

The conversation then takes an intriguing turn towards space, specifically the concerns surrounding the decommissioning of Russia’s Mir space station. Art highlights the unusual problem of a mutant space fungus that developed aboard the station, raising fears about its potential impact upon re-entry to Earth. This segment underscores the unforeseen challenges of prolonged space missions and the implications for space exploration and safety.

Further exploring the realm of extreme human endeavors, Art shares a story about an Australian former army commando planning a record-breaking skydive from the edge of space. This daring feat aims to test the limits of human endurance and the potential for breaking the sound barrier unassisted, reflecting on the human fascination with pushing boundaries and exploring the unknown.

Art also touches on personal stories from his listeners, including a humorous anecdote about a man trying to share his love for the show with his girlfriend, highlighting the show’s impact on personal relationships and intellectual curiosity. The segment concludes with Art mentioning his upcoming absence due to attending a radio convention, teasing future discussions and guest appearances on the show.

Art delves into the intrigue of Kathleen Keating’s website, where she allegedly identifies the Antichrist. He mentions that his webmaster, Keith Roland, has made this controversial page accessible via Art’s own website to alleviate bandwidth issues and ensure that interested listeners can view the information. Art emphasizes the importance of discerning the comedic from the serious, referencing a misinterpretation of John Glenn’s statements on a comedy show as a segue into discussing how listeners should carefully consider the context of what they hear on the show.

The program then transitions back to open lines, where listeners share their thoughts on various topics, including the school shootings. A caller from Indianapolis discusses the nature of evil and its role in such tragic events, prompting a philosophical discussion with Art about the presence of evil in society and its potential influence on individuals. This conversation highlights Art’s willingness to explore complex and often dark themes with his audience, providing a platform for diverse opinions and theories.

As the show continues, another caller challenges the concern over the potential threat of space fungus from the Mir space station, prompting a light-hearted yet thoughtful exchange about the intersection of science fiction and reality.

Art receives praise from a caller in Ellensburg, Washington, for the educational value of the show, leading to a discussion on human consciousness and the instinctive belief in a higher power. This conversation explores the concept of accidental perfection and the human mind’s suspicion of it, using the analogy of Henry Ford and the Model T to illustrate the idea that a creator (or cause) must be greater than its creation (or effect).

Art then fields a call from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, where a listener voices concern over the changing format of his local radio station to all sports, fearing the loss of access to “Coast to Coast AM.” This leads to a broader critique of the saturation of sports programming and a nostalgic reference to the song “I Don’t Like Mondays” by the Boomtown Rats, which was inspired by a true story of a school shooting by a girl, tying back to earlier discussions on the show about societal issues.

The conversation shifts to a discussion about John Glenn’s statements and the speculative broadcast “Alternative Three,” which delved into conspiracy theories and hoaxes, including claims about Mars and interviews with astronauts.

Art continues the dialogue with his audience, discussing the impact of music on behavior. A caller from Hawaii debates whether external influences like music or video games are responsible for negative behavior changes or if it’s inherently within the individual. This segues into broader discussions on personal responsibility and the nature of evil. Art humorously engages with a caller from Portland, who mistakenly got through on the international line, introducing a query about the correlation between the Sedona region and Richard Hoagland’s theories, which spurs curiosity but remains unanswered.

Listeners from various locations share their insights and questions, touching upon historical events, such as a school shooting in Florida in 1978, and contemporary scientific observations, like the glass tubes on Mars. The conversations reveal a mix of skepticism and wonder, with Art facilitating a platform for speculative and analytical discourse. One caller questions the color accuracy in images from space missions, leading to a discussion on the technological limitations and advancements in space photography.

The discussion takes a turn towards the controversial topic of the Antichrist’s identity, with Art mentioning a posting related to Nikita but stops short of revealing any names on air, respecting the sensitivity of the subject. He contemplates interviewing a person claimed to be the messiah, illustrating the show’s engagement with contentious and provocative topics.

Art humorously discusses the idea of pictures and babies talking, expressing skepticism and curiosity about the supernatural. He identifies as an agnostic, open to belief in the unexplained, but remains grounded in skepticism.

Bryan Alexander, a writer for Wired Magazine, joins the program to discuss his extensive research into cloning. Bryan’s investigation, which spanned six months, explored the potential and realities of cloning technology. He shares insights into the cloning process, including the possibility of accidental cloning through the IVF procedure known as ICSI (Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection). This discussion delves into the technical aspects of cloning, the challenges of creating an exact replica due to mitochondrial DNA, and the misconception that cloning produces a precise copy of the original individual.

Art and Bryan Alexander delve deeper into the misconceptions surrounding cloning, emphasizing that despite popular belief, cloning does not produce an exact duplicate of the original subject. They discuss the technical and biological nuances that contribute to the differences between a clone and its progenitor, such as the impact of mitochondrial DNA, which ensures that a clone would share many traits with the parent but not be an exact copy. This distinction is crucial for understanding the reality of cloning versus the sensationalized version often portrayed in media and imagination.

The conversation shifts towards the ethical and moral questions associated with cloning, particularly the risks involved. Bryan shares insights into the cloning process’s failure rates, explaining the expected outcomes and the challenges faced during animal cloning experiments. He points out that a significant portion of cloning attempts end in failure, with only a small percentage resulting in live births, and even then, there may be complications such as the Large Offspring Syndrome observed in cows. This condition illustrates the potential problems in cloning, where communication issues between the embryo, fetus, and mother can lead to abnormal developments.

Art raises concerns about the societal implications of cloning, especially the ethical dilemma posed by the potential for “monsters” or severely disfigured clones that might result from the process. He questions the readiness of society to deal with such outcomes, highlighting the lack of legal frameworks in the United States to regulate cloning, in contrast to countries like Great Britain, which have laws in place.

Bryan’s stance on the current state of cloning is cautious; he acknowledges the scientific community’s ongoing experiments but warns of the dangers associated with premature applications of cloning technology. He suggests that while cloning will inevitably advance, the risks at present make it too hazardous to pursue without further understanding and control over the process.

Art discusses the early vocal proponents of cloning, including Dr. Seed, who initially made headlines with his ambitions in cloning but has since shifted his focus towards human rejuvenation clinics. Bryan Alexander shares insights into the individuals and groups closest to achieving public cloning, mentioning the Raelians, who claim to be on the verge of cloning, and a collaboration between doctors in Kentucky and Italy, Dr. Zavos and Dr. Antinori, who have publicly announced their intentions to start cloning experiments.

The conversation touches on the business aspect of cloning, highlighting the high cost of egg donations and the niche market that cloning represents. Despite its controversial nature, cloning is seen as a potential option for infertile couples, gay and lesbian couples, and others seeking alternative reproduction methods. The ethical and financial implications of cloning are discussed, with an acknowledgment that while it may initially be costly and condemned, it could eventually become a more accepted IVF procedure as safety and success rates improve.

The dialogue then shifts to more speculative and futuristic aspects of cloning, with the Raelians expressing hopes to eventually download human consciousness into clones, allowing for a form of immortality. This concept raises philosophical and technological questions about the nature of consciousness, personality, and whether it’s possible to digitize and transfer the essence of a person. The discussion of “soul chips” and the potential for digital immortality reflects the blend of science fiction and theoretical science that characterizes debates on cloning and human enhancement.

Art delves into the practicalities and ethical dilemmas surrounding cloning with Bryan Alexander. They discuss the possibility that cloning has already been conducted in secrecy, with IVF clinics around the world potentially capable of performing such procedures without public knowledge. The conversation highlights the ease with which cloning could be mistaken for regular IVF procedures, raising concerns about the clandestine advancement of cloning technologies.

Bryan shares insights from his interviews with IVF doctors, who report frequent inquiries from individuals seeking cloning services, including infertile couples and those who have lost children. This underscores the demand for cloning as a means to address infertility or recapture lost loved ones, despite the misunderstanding among some that cloning would produce an exact duplicate of the deceased.

The discussion then shifts to the technical aspects of cloning, including the potential use of cryogenically preserved cellular material for cloning deceased individuals. Bryan clarifies that while it’s theoretically possible to clone using preserved cells, the outcome would not be an exact replica due to the unique interactions of genetic material in each cloning process. They touch upon the societal and ethical implications of cloning individuals with significant historical impact, like Hitler, and popular figures like Michael Jordan, emphasizing the unpredictability of the clone’s personal development and interests.

Listeners are invited to ask questions, leading to inquiries about the feasibility of resurrecting deceased family members through cloning and the potential to clone individuals to a specific age. Bryan reiterates that clones would start life as infants, dismissing the notion of cloning individuals to a mature state.

The conversation continues with Bryan Alexander, focusing on the technical and ethical aspects of cloning. He clarifies that not all cells are equally viable for cloning, with cumulus and fibroblast cells being preferred due to their roles in reproduction and skin formation, respectively. This highlights the complexity of cloning beyond the simplistic idea that any cell, such as a hair or skin flake, could be used for the process.

The discussion shifts to the implications of cloning for organ transplantation and the field of regenerative medicine, known as “medicine.” This involves using cloning techniques to grow organs like livers or pancreatic cells for therapeutic purposes. Bryan explains that this approach could revolutionize organ transplantation by creating organs that are genetically identical to the recipient, eliminating issues of organ rejection and the need for immunosuppressive drugs.

A caller from Kansas, who has personally benefited from organ transplantation, inquires about the progress in cloning organs for transplantation. Bryan mentions ongoing research in creating complex organs such as kidneys and livers from stem cells. This research relies on directing pluripotent stem cells to differentiate into specific organ tissues, a promising yet challenging endeavor that could eventually eliminate the need for donor organs.

The conversation then addresses the political and regulatory landscape surrounding stem cell research and cloning in the United States. Bryan suggests uncertainty about the future of federal funding and regulatory policies under the Bush administration, reflecting broader societal debates about the moral and ethical boundaries of biotechnological research.

A caller from Idaho raises concerns about the aging of cloned DNA, referencing the case of Dolly the sheep, whose cells exhibited signs of premature aging. Bryan confirms that cellular aging, particularly the shortening of telomeres, poses a significant challenge to cloning, as it may limit the lifespan or health of cloned organisms.

The discussion progresses with Bryan Alexander addressing concerns about the aging of cloned DNA, particularly the issue of telomere length in clones like Dolly the sheep. Contrary to initial concerns, it appears that Dolly and other clones like cows and mice have not exhibited accelerated aging; in fact, cloned mice have lived up to 30% longer than their normal lifespan. This challenges earlier fears about the viability and longevity of cloned animals.

Bryan also responds to questions about the regulation of cloning, suggesting that the current level of oversight, where the FDA requires filing an investigational new drug application for human cloning attempts, is appropriate. He emphasizes the importance of not overly restricting biomedical research that relies on cloning technology, such as the development of treatments for Parkinson’s disease and the creation of cloned organs for transplantation.

The conversation touches on the potential negative impacts of producing a “Frankenstein monster” through cloning, highlighting the concerns of the IVF and stem cell research community about the public backlash against biotechnology. Bryan underscores the importance of balancing innovation with ethical considerations, advocating for informed and cautious advancement in cloning research.

A caller introduces a speculative topic about the possibility of the U.S. government experimenting with cloning for creating the “perfect soldier,” reflecting public fascination and concern with the potential military applications of biotechnology. Bryan acknowledges the theoretical possibility but stops short of confirming any government involvement in such activities, illustrating the broader uncertainties and ethical dilemmas surrounding cloning and its future direction.

Bryan Alexander discusses the speculative idea of the government experimenting with cloning to create the perfect soldier, expressing skepticism due to practical and ethical constraints. He argues that while cloning could theoretically produce individuals with certain desirable physical and psychological traits, the reality of raising a cloned baby into a soldier introduces numerous challenges, not least of which is the inherent free will and individuality of the clone.

The conversation shifts back to Art Bell, who thanks Bryan for his insights and opens the lines to callers, inviting discussions on any topic but expressing a particular interest in the bizarre, including claims of being the Antichrist, time travelers, and other extraordinary phenomena. Art touches upon various topics, including a recent incident where a girl shot a female classmate, challenging the notion that school shootings are exclusively perpetrated by boys.

Art then revisits the topic of the space station Mir and the concern over a mutant space fungus that may pose a risk upon the station’s re-entry to Earth. This discussion highlights the unpredictable nature of space exploration and the potential biological hazards that could accompany space debris returning to the planet.

The dialogue continues with a caller from Columbus, Ohio, who shares a personal story of being told she would be involved in a cataclysmic event. This revelation, first made by a stranger and later confirmed by her mother, hints at a destiny tied to a significant world-changing war. Despite the caller’s insistence that she’s not claiming any divine role, the conversation delves into the mysteries of fate and the burden of knowledge about potential future events.

The caller expresses uncertainty about her role and seeks understanding or validation of the prophetic message she received. Art Bell humorously suggests she check for any symbolic marks on her body, playing into common narratives about prophetic figures marked for a significant destiny. This interaction underscores the show’s engagement with the extraordinary and the personal dilemmas listeners face when confronting the unexplained.

A subsequent caller, identifying himself as Judge from south of Phoenix, rekindles a previous discussion about the existence of good versus evil, mentioning his claim of having a visible halo, a claim met with skepticism by Art. The conversation shifts towards the notion of the Antichrist, referencing Kathleen Keating’s work and the broader Christian eschatological themes. Judge’s assertion that he represents a force of good, despite potential misinterpretation by others, reflects the complex interplay of perception, reality, and spiritual belief systems discussed on the show.

A caller from Wisconsin presents a theological argument about the interpretation of biblical prophecy concerning the end times and the concept of the Rapture, questioning the common belief among some Christian groups that they will be spared from tribulation. Art humorously navigates the call, steering away from scripture quoting and delving into the caller’s interpretations.

Another caller introduces the topic of chupacabras and Bigfoot, suggesting that these creatures are actually intelligent pets of extraterrestrials. The caller claims to have been part of an experiment to create a hybrid being with human appearance and alien intelligence, which he labels a failure. This narrative opens a discussion on the existence of underground bases where such creatures could be residing, their dietary habits, and their mysterious appearances and disappearances.

Art engages with the caller’s extraordinary claim of being an extraterrestrial experiment, probing into the specifics of the experiment and the caller’s current life as a so-called failed hybrid. The discussion explores the notion of otherworldly intelligence, the reasons UFOs might be monitoring him, and the potential motivations behind the alleged extraterrestrial experimenters.

The conversation shifts to a caller discussing a recent news item about Dean Kamen’s invention, presumably the Segway PT, initially hyped as a revolutionary two-wheeled scooter. The discussion reflects skepticism about the stability and practicality of the device, despite its innovative design and potential environmental benefits through the use of a hydrogen cell.

As the open lines continue, callers bring up a variety of topics. One truck driver inquires about the soil composition of Mars and volcanic activity, reflecting ongoing public interest in space exploration and the mysteries of other planets. Art humorously navigates these inquiries, highlighting his show’s role as a conduit for speculation and curiosity about the unknown.

A more unsettling narrative emerges as a caller from Portland, Oregon, shares concerns about her nephew, who she feared might be the Antichrist due to a series of disturbing behaviors and incidents from a young age. The caller recounts feelings of a cold presence during the nephew’s birth and subsequent violent behavior, including an attempt to harm another child. This story taps into deeper fears and superstitions about evil manifesting in individuals, with the caller expressing relief at the suggestion that the Antichrist might have been identified elsewhere, alleviating her fears about her nephew.

The conversation continues with various callers bringing up a mix of topics, ranging from personal anecdotes to speculative theories about governmental experiments and extraterrestrial involvement on Earth.

One caller expresses concern about a nephew she jokingly refers to as potentially being the Antichrist due to his troubling behavior. She recounts instances of violence and a lack of empathy, comparing him unfavorably to other children his age. This discussion delves into the fear and curiosity about evil’s manifestation in individuals and how families grapple with such daunting concerns.

Another segment of the show shifts towards listener suggestions for future guests and topics, emphasizing the participatory nature of the program. Art encourages listeners to provide contact information for potential guests, reflecting the community-driven aspect of the show’s content.

The conversation then veers into discussions about the HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) and its capabilities. A caller speculates about HAARP’s potential use in targeting the space station Mir as it re-enters Earth’s atmosphere, despite Art clarifying that HAARP is designed for atmospheric research rather than space-based targets. This part of the conversation highlights public interest and conspiracy theories surrounding governmental research programs and their true capabilities or intentions.

One caller initiates a discussion on the legacy of Carl Sagan and the impact of his series “Cosmos” on popularizing science, highlighting the need for contemporary figures like Dr. Michio Kaku to continue making complex scientific concepts accessible to the public.

Another caller speculates on the concept of downloading consciousness into a clone, pondering the philosophical implications of such a procedure. This leads to a debate about the essence of the soul and whether it could be transferred to a new body, or if it would remain with the original being, rendering the cloning process moot for achieving immortality or continuation of consciousness. Art engages with these ideas, acknowledging the complexities and unknowns surrounding the interplay of soul, consciousness, and physical form.

The conversation then shifts to a caller’s personal experience with a paranormal sighting near an old graveyard in Dry Creek Valley, describing what appeared to be a giant earthworm-like entity crossing the road. This story adds to the program’s collection of unexplained phenomena, reinforcing the show’s role as a platform for sharing and discussing the unordinary and paranormal.

A caller recounts a peculiar sighting of what he describes as a “sky worm,” a large, worm-like object flying in the sky, which he observed while driving home late at night near a cemetery. This story adds to the collection of unusual and unexplained sightings shared by listeners, emphasizing the mysterious and often paranormal nature of the discussions on Bell’s show.

Jeff from Winnipeg recalls a previous guest, Madman Markham, who claimed to have built a time machine. Markham’s story had intrigued listeners with its bold claims of temporal manipulation, but he has since disappeared without a trace, leaving listeners to wonder about the veracity of his claims and his current whereabouts.

Another caller seeks information on a song that Art occasionally plays, which contains the lyrics “Rock-a-bye baby.” This lighter moment provides a brief respite from the more intense discussions of supernatural and speculative topics, showcasing the diverse range of conversations that take place on the show.

A Canadian caller raises a unique question regarding children who have allegedly experienced alien abductions and subsequent hair loss. The caller shares a personal story about his family’s encounters with what they believe to be extraterrestrial beings, including a disturbing account of his daughter’s partial baldness, which he suspects might be related to these experiences. The caller also recounts an instance where his young son recognized a depiction of a “grey” alien on television and expressed fear, suggesting a personal encounter with such beings.

The conversation shifts to a caller from Germany, who manages to connect through the international line by contacting the German operator directly. This caller, who works in telecommunications, shares his expertise on making international calls and then proceeds to recount his own intriguing story from four years ago, hinting at a mysterious encounter related to his professional work.

Art Bell’s discussion transitions to a caller sharing insights from his work on fiber optic cable installations at Area 51, suggesting an immense infrastructure that could support significant data transfer capacities. The caller speculates about the purposes behind such an extensive setup, hinting at secretive activities requiring substantial bandwidth. This conversation adds to the aura of mystery surrounding Area 51, with listeners contributing their own experiences and theories about the secretive military base.

The discussion then moves to societal issues, with a caller from Texas raising concerns about the recent school shootings and their coverage in the media. They discuss a specific case where a shooter’s home video was aired, showing the individual’s distress and isolation prior to the incident. The conversation delves into the complexities of teenage angst, the impact of family dynamics, and societal influences on youth behavior. The caller and Art explore the difficulty in discerning warning signs of extreme actions amidst common teenage grievances, emphasizing the challenges parents and society face in addressing mental health and emotional distress in young people.

A caller recounts an eerie experience on the Palisades Parkway during a snowstorm, describing how what appeared to be headlights from another vehicle paced alongside him, but on the wrong side of the road. This “vehicle” eventually vanished without a trace, leaving the caller puzzled and alarmed. He returned home to find that a journey that should have taken 20 minutes had inexplicably lasted nearly two hours. The caller later dreams of being surrounded by deer, one of which seemed to reach out with a human hand, leading him towards a bright light—an experience he connects to alien abduction narratives after reading the work of John Mack, a psychiatrist known for his research into alleged alien abductions.

The story shifts to a discussion about the physical and psychological aftermath of the caller’s experience, including unexplained scars and digestive issues, which he believes might be related to his encounter. This personal anecdote adds to the show’s collection of encounters with the unexplained, suggesting the profound impact such experiences can have on individuals’ lives.

Art Bell’s conversation with a caller from Hong Kong reveals an interesting perspective on international connectivity and expatriate life. The caller, originally from the U.S., describes his work in Hong Kong and effortlessly connects to the show through voice recognition, bypassing the need for an operator. This interaction showcases the advancements in telecommunications and the global reach of Art’s show, bridging listeners from far-flung regions.

As Art continues his broadcast, he receives a call that shifts the discussion towards personal experiences with potential extraterrestrial encounters. A caller narrates a peculiar event where, during a snowy night drive, he observed lights that seemed to mimic his speed and then suddenly vanished. This experience led to a dream involving deer with human-like characteristics, hinting at an alien abduction scenario. The caller connects his experiences to the work of John Mack, suggesting that extraterrestrial entities might use familiar, non-threatening forms to approach humans. The discussion delves into the aftermath of such encounters, including physical marks and health issues, which the caller believes are linked to his experience.

The program then transitions to a discussion on the recurring theme of school shootings, with callers sharing their views on the causes and social implications of these tragedies. One caller, revealing her past as a gang member, discusses the impact of her experiences on her perspective on violence and self-protection. She highlights the complex interplay of social, psychological, and environmental factors that contribute to youth violence, challenging simplistic explanations and solutions.

The conversation expands internationally with a caller from England discussing various topics, including soccer (football) culture in Liverpool, fan rivalries, and the impact of historical events on sportsmanship and fan behavior. The caller explains how chants and songs from films like “The Dambusters” play into the rivalry between English and German soccer fans, suggesting that memories of World War II may still influence contemporary attitudes.

Art then shifts the discussion towards Mad Cow Disease, probing the caller on the public’s perception and level of concern in England. The caller shares that while the initial panic has subsided, there remains a cautious attitude towards consuming beef, especially processed foods like hamburgers. He mentions that a few years ago, it was estimated that each person in the UK might have consumed meals containing BSE-infected beef, raising concerns about the disease’s long incubation period and the potential for future health impacts.

Art Bell concludes his interaction with the caller from Liverpool, England, addressing the caller’s concern about the availability of a newsletter to European listeners. The caller feels it’s discriminatory that the newsletter is only available to Canadian and US citizens. Art expresses his appreciation for the call and promises to look into the matter, showing his commitment to engaging with his international audience and addressing their concerns.

As the show wraps up, Art reflects on the successful connections with listeners from Germany, Hong Kong, and now Liverpool, England, highlighting the international reach and diverse audience of his program.