Art starts the show from the high desert immigration hub, greeting listeners from various regions including Guam, the Caribbean, and the internet. He announces a new affiliate, KKXN in Salinas, California. Art shares a personal update about receiving a letter and a photograph from Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, who experienced weightlessness on the “vomit comet.” The website features a video of Gibbons floating with his guitar. Art expresses his desire to experience weightlessness himself, comparing it to diving in water but noting it is not the same.
Art discusses several news items: a judge delaying McVeigh’s execution, Senator Jeffords returning campaign donations after leaving the Republican Party, and President Bush seeking a military spending increase. He questions the necessity of increasing the military budget given the dissolution of the Soviet bloc.
Tonight’s program focuses on “shadow people,” featuring Dr. Morgan Spence, who has researched the phenomenon for 11 years and recently launched a website, shadowbeings.com. Art reads a letter from a technical professional theorizing about the increased sightings of shadow people, suggesting possible connections to laser scanning displays used in military aircraft.
The system discussed is mounted in an aircraft and scans objects with a laser to generate images, similar to sonar. The author notes how using a DVD player over the weekend caused a strange effect on his vision, which intensified when returning to work with the laser. His vision felt sped up and pixelated, leading to a startling encounter with what appeared to be a shadow person—a small, robed figure that vanished quickly. He wonders if the increased sightings of shadow people could be linked to the frequent use of digital equipment displaying rapidly moving images.
Art reads a letter from an individual with a military background who reports a shadow person sighting, emphasizing the clarity and duration of the encounter. This letter contributes to the growing number of similar reports Art has received, which number in the thousands. Art encourages listeners to subscribe to the Ghost Insider club for access to archived shows and special live chat sessions.
Art expresses concern about the direction of the government but is optimistic about Americans’ increasing activism and engagement. He mentions upcoming segments on shadow people and an underwater city off the coast of Cuba. He notes the significant population growth in various U.S. states based on recent census data.
Art discusses the potential future effects of urban sprawl, including congested roads, increased pollution, and overpopulation. He reads a listener’s letter from Missouri about unusual weather patterns, emphasizing that global warming will bring extreme weather conditions rather than uniform warming. Art believes the debate on climate change is over and that society must adjust to these changes.
A listener theorizes that shadow beings exist at different frequencies beyond human perception. Modern technology, such as DVDs and camcorders, might help us detect these frequencies. Art notes a growing consensus among listeners that shadow beings have always been around, but new technologies are allowing us to see them. He suggests that when shadow beings notice humans, they move so quickly that they seem to disappear, simply shifting to a frequency we cannot perceive.
Art plans to discuss this theory further and invites listeners to share their thoughts. He reflects on the strange and exciting times we live in, suggesting that new technology might be revealing hidden aspects of our reality.
Art continues to express interest in interviewing Billy Gibbons about his weightlessness experience. He shares his own curiosity about trying it, despite its nickname, “the vomit comet,” due to its tendency to make people nauseous. Art mentions a listener’s letter from a high-tech industry professional, suggesting it be posted online with personal information removed.
A caller from St. Louis shares two shadow person encounters, describing one as a child-like figure running through a door crack. Art notes that many shadow person sightings are reported by younger individuals. The caller suggests that these beings might be influenced by women, hinting at a connection to frequency control. Art humorously acknowledges this theory before moving on.
Ramona, Art’s wife, had an interesting experience in town earlier that day, which Art plans to discuss next.
Art shares a humorous story about Ramona bringing home new McDonald’s burgers that turned out to be veggie sandwiches without meat, leading to disappointment. A listener from Phoenix relates seeing shadow figures while using a computer at night, suggesting that artificial lighting might contribute to these sightings. The conversation explores how modern technology, such as computers and specific lighting types, might allow us to see entities that coexist with us but usually remain invisible.
Art and the caller speculate that these shadow beings are aware of us and are surprised when we can see them. Another caller discusses books about UFOs, aliens, and mysterious phenomena like Area 51 and caverns in Antarctica with prehistoric creatures. The caller also shares a personal UFO sighting from childhood, aligning with many Americans who report similar experiences.
Art reflects on these discussions, acknowledging the widespread interest in and reports of mysterious phenomena, suggesting that our understanding of these entities is evolving with technological advances.
Art discusses the prevalence of UFO sightings among Americans, noting that many believe in extraterrestrial life. A caller from Orange, California, recounts an eerie encounter with a shadow person that not only appeared but also spoke, saying “boo.” This unusual interaction, combined with the visual appearance of the shadow person, left the caller deeply unsettled. The caller wonders if the experience could be linked to out-of-body travel or some form of meditation-induced phenomenon.
Art finds this story particularly intriguing as it suggests that shadow people might have a sense of humor or be capable of more complex interactions than previously thought. Another listener from California praises the theory that modern technology might enable us to see these entities, linking it to metaphysical concepts of vibration and frequency. Art notes that many of the reports about shadow people come from younger individuals, often those engaged with digital technology like video games.
A final caller from Minnesota, who identifies as “Iron Mike,” suggests a headline for 2050 about the extinction of mankind due to overproduction of food. He also questions why the Hubble Telescope isn’t used to focus on the moon landing sites, hinting at the ongoing debates about space exploration and technology.
Art returns from a musical break to introduce Dr. Morgan Spence, who has been researching shadow beings for 11 years. She joins the show to discuss her work and theories. Dr. Spence, who has a background in paranormal research and a PhD from the International Research Academy, recounts her journey into studying shadow beings. Raised by an Australian father and Irish mother, Dr. Spence’s interest in the paranormal was piqued after her father’s mysterious disappearance in 1985.
Dr. Spence discovered Art’s show a few weeks prior and felt compelled to listen, especially drawn to discussions about time travel and the Mandela Effect. She describes feeling a deep connection to the topics discussed and has since been an avid listener. Dr. Spence is co-authoring a book with Dr. K. Reid, which compiles their research and addresses logical flaws in common explanations for shadow beings.
Art and Dr. Spence agree that shadow beings, often perceived as magical due to their ability to appear and disappear, might be better understood through scientific advancements. Dr. Spence emphasizes that there is no single explanation for these phenomena and acknowledges the complexity of the subject. She references an email from a technical professional read earlier in the show, which aligns with some of her early thoughts on the matter.
Dr. Morgan Spence shares that she first saw shadow people as a child and believed their presence was linked to television. She notes that children often see shadow beings but are discouraged from discussing these experiences, leading them to ignore or feel shame about their sightings. This conditioning process, Dr. Spence argues, prevents people from acknowledging these entities as they grow older.
She criticizes the fields of psychiatry and psychology for often dismissing such experiences as delusions, citing cases where patients with undiagnosed illnesses were misled into believing their symptoms were psychological. This flawed logic, she contends, also applies to the shadow people phenomenon, where people are conditioned to dismiss their sightings as mere imagination.
Dr. Spence’s academic journey began in the 1990s at the International Research Academy, where she focused on paranormal studies, particularly shadow people. She discovered connections between shadow beings and other phenomena like out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, and extraterrestrial encounters. Despite these connections, she cautions against assuming a single explanation for all these experiences.
Art and Dr. Spence discuss how shadow beings seem accustomed to observing humans but are surprised and flee when noticed. This reaction suggests that shadow beings perceive humans as moving very slowly compared to their own perception of time and movement.
Dr. Morgan Spence discusses the difficulty of understanding vibrations and frequencies related to shadow beings. She suggests that the beings’ surprise at being seen indicates they have intelligence and a fight-or-flight response. Art and Dr. Spence compare this to the effect of a one-way mirror, where those being observed feel safe until they realize they are being watched, leading to a sense of vulnerability.
They note that the phenomenon of seeing shadow beings seems to be relatively new, becoming more common in recent years. Dr. Spence believes this increase is related to the rise in electromagnetic energy and electronic devices in homes. Art, despite having many electronic devices, hasn’t seen shadow beings directly but has noticed peripheral movements, suggesting that these beings might be more visible at the edges of vision.
Dr. Spence points out that some phenomena, like certain star formations, are only visible in peripheral vision due to their dimness or interference. She believes that shadow beings gain strength and visibility when electromagnetic energy levels are high. Art recalls writing about seeing things from the corner of his eye when he started his program Dreamland and acknowledges seeing quick movements peripherally but never directly.
Dr. Spence provides an example of how peripheral vision can reveal real things, like when she thought she imagined a quick movement in an old house, only to later confirm it was a mouse making noise.
Dr. Morgan Spence continues discussing the nature of shadow people. She recounts how she once thought she imagined seeing a mouse out of the corner of her eye, only to confirm its presence with a trap, drawing a parallel to shadow beings that may similarly exist at the periphery of our vision.
Art expresses a desire to know what these beings are, emphasizing that they must be sharing the world with us. Dr. Spence plans to discuss what shadow beings probably are not, highlighting the importance of understanding what they might not be before making definitive conclusions.
After a break, Art notes the growing interest in shadow people and the overwhelming responses he’s received on the topic. Dr. Spence begins explaining that while traditional logic, or linear logic, often misleads us when a single detail is wrong, her colleague Dr. Reid advocates for “spherical logic.” This method involves examining all aspects of an issue in a 360-degree manner, considering multiple dimensions and perspectives.
Dr. Spence points out that while linear logic is necessary for understanding pieces of a puzzle, spherical logic allows for a more comprehensive view. This approach is essential for understanding complex phenomena like shadow beings, which cannot be easily explained through conventional, linear methods. She hints that some physicians might attribute these sightings to chemical reactions in the brain, indicating a need for broader, more inclusive investigative methods.
Dr. Spence discusses the theory that certain chemicals, like DMT, can reproduce phenomena similar to shadow people sightings. She mentions a physician, Dr. Rick Strassmann, who conducted research by administering DMT to patients. While this research may offer insights, Dr. Spence argues that it is flawed logic to assume that reproducing experiences with chemicals explains their true causes. She emphasizes that just because emotions or experiences can be chemically induced, it doesn’t negate their authenticity.
Dr. Spence addresses the idea that shadow people might be demons, as defined by evil spirits in biblical terms. She believes this is an oversimplified and primitive concept. While some shadow beings might be malevolent, she is cautious about labeling all of them as demons, suggesting that fear often leads to such conclusions. She clarifies that being frightened by something unfamiliar doesn’t necessarily mean it is evil.
The conversation shifts to the possibility of shadow people being ghosts. Art defines a ghost as a previously human spirit that remains on earth after physical death. Dr. Spence agrees that some shadow people might fit this definition, indicating that these entities could be a form of soul energy no longer attached to a physical body. She suggests that shadow people could be a mix of different types of entities, including some that might be ghosts or demons, but warns against making absolute statements about their nature.
Dr. Morgan Spence discusses expanding our definitions of ghosts to include non-human entities, noting reports of shadow animals like cats and dogs. This challenges the traditional biblical notion that animals lack souls. Dr. Spence believes that as we learn to identify and measure soul energy, we’ll find it exists at such a high frequency that it is currently beyond human comprehension.
She supports the idea that when we die, our energy switches frequencies, moving into ranges normally undetectable by humans. This notion aligns with the belief that some people deny the existence of soul energy due to fear or comfort in their perceived understanding of the world.
Dr. Spence and Art explore the persistence of frequencies, comparing them to broadcasts that continue even after fading beyond human perception. They speculate that heaven and hell might not be separate places but different frequencies occupying the same space. Dr. Spence references the work of scientists like Dr. Michio Kaku, who have identified multiple dimensions, suggesting that these dimensions coexist and intersect.
Art proposes that entities from higher dimensions could occasionally interact with our three-dimensional world, much like a person might reach into a pond and briefly lift a fish into the air. Dr. Spence agrees, adding that beings in higher dimensions would perceive energies in ways we can’t yet comprehend, possibly seeing colors or vibrations unknown to us.
The discussion shifts to the variety of shadow beings people report seeing, ranging from benign entities to demonic figures. Dr. Spence acknowledges the commonalities in these sightings, suggesting a complex and multifaceted phenomenon.
Dr. Morgan Spence and Art Bell delve deeper into the nature of shadow beings, discussing the idea that these entities might be attracted to strong emotions, particularly fear. Dr. Spence suggests that fear is a type of energy vibration, and shadow beings might feed on this energy, akin to psychic vampires. This could explain why sightings often provoke intense fear in witnesses.
Art humorously acknowledges that seeing a shadow being directly would generate immense fear, enough to power significant energy, potentially explaining their attraction to such emotions. Dr. Spence adds that various factors, including hormones, might influence one’s ability to perceive these entities, hinting at the possibility that women, with their fluctuating hormone levels, might be more prone to such sightings.
The conversation touches on the broader implications if humanity could consistently see these beings, potentially altering our understanding of reality. Art questions what would happen if the veil separating our perception from these other dimensions dropped, allowing widespread visibility of shadow beings. This scenario would significantly change human perspectives and possibly societal behaviors.
Returning from a break, Art reaffirms his belief in the reality of shadow beings and resumes the discussion with Dr. Spence about hormones’ role in paranormal phenomena. He acknowledges the well-documented connection between teenage girls and poltergeist activity but struggles with the idea that hormones alone could explain intelligent behavior in shadow beings. This discrepancy highlights the complexity of the phenomena and the need for further exploration.
Dr. Morgan Spence clarifies a misunderstanding, emphasizing that women are not responsible for creating shadow beings. Instead, she suggests that women might be more likely to experience these phenomena due to hormonal influences. She prefers the term “instinctive intelligence” over “intuition” to describe women’s natural ability to sense things, particularly regarding their children, possibly due to hormonal factors.
Art and Dr. Spence discuss the gradual increase in electromagnetic fields and how this might lead to more frequent sightings of shadow beings. Dr. Spence notes that any changes in our energy usage, such as during power shortages, might impact the frequency of these sightings, making it an interesting trend to track. They also consider that the veil separating our perception from these entities might be thinning gradually, leading to a slow societal realization rather than a sudden shift.
Dr. Spence mentions that various factors, including solar flares and changes in the Earth’s polarity, could contribute to the phenomenon. She believes it is a complex issue with multiple contributing factors, making it challenging to identify a single cause or predict the pace of its increase.
Art poses a question about the potential impact on society if people collectively realized they were sharing the planet with previously unseen entities. Dr. Spence suggests this would dramatically change institutions, science, and religion, likening it to historical events where new astronomical discoveries challenged established beliefs. She predicts resistance from certain groups but acknowledges that widespread awareness and acceptance of this reality would make it harder to suppress the truth.
Dr. Morgan Spence continues to theorize about shadow beings and their interactions with humans. She suggests that the phenomenon might be related to vibration levels and energy frequencies. Using the analogy of two mirrors glued together, she explains that as the glue deteriorates, people on either side might begin to see each other. Similarly, increasing energy levels in the environment might be gradually eroding the barrier between dimensions, allowing us to perceive these beings.
Art and Dr. Spence discuss the concept of dark matter and how its recent acknowledgment in science parallels the slow acceptance of shadow beings. Dr. Spence proposes that the growing electromagnetic fields and other energy changes might be peeling away a metaphorical doorway, allowing glimpses into other dimensions. While this might sound “new age,” both agree it’s a useful way to conceptualize the phenomenon.
Art expresses discomfort at the idea of existing as a shadow being after death. Dr. Spence counters that our understanding is limited and suggests that shadow beings might choose their form or exist in a way we can’t fully comprehend. She hypothesizes that shadow beings might study and interact with us, particularly responding to strong emotions like fear, which they might find intriguing or even entertaining.
They explore the idea of humans being addicted to fear, as evidenced by our consumption of horror movies and thrill-seeking behaviors. This addiction could explain why shadow beings might provoke fear, feeding off the energy it generates. Dr. Spence further speculates that our physical bodies limit us, and once freed from them, we might be able to move through dimensions more freely.
She touches on out-of-body experiences, describing how the brain’s vibration might allow the soul to loosen its grip on the body, leading to sensations of lightness and floating. This suggests a two-way communication between the soul and the body, where the primal brain remains alert, enabling these experiences.
Dr. Spence elaborates on the connection between sleep, dreams, and out-of-body experiences, explaining how the brain’s vibrations during sleep might allow the soul to loosen its grip on the body. This results in feelings of lightness and floating, which some people remember upon waking. She emphasizes that this phenomenon is natural but not yet fully understood by science.
Art shares a personal story about having a violent dream where he punched his wife in his sleep, highlighting how the brain can sometimes fail to paralyze the body during REM sleep, leading to physical actions in response to dreams. Dr. Spence notes that this can be a severe issue for some, causing relationship problems and even leading to accusations of abuse, despite the actions being unintentional and occurring during sleep.
They discuss the importance of REM sleep and its role in cellular repair, particularly the production of melatonin, which helps prevent cell damage and cancer. Art acknowledges the necessity of modifying his sleep habits for better health, despite the demands of his late-night radio show.
The conversation underscores the complexities of sleep, the brain’s functions during different stages, and how these factors might relate to paranormal experiences like shadow beings and out-of-body sensations.
Art Bell shares his experience of modifying his sleep schedule to achieve better rest. He used to sleep in short, fragmented periods but now aims for a more consolidated sleep pattern, which has improved his sleep quality. This adjustment aligns with Dr. Spence’s earlier discussion on the importance of REM sleep and its health benefits.
Dr. Spence returns to the show, and Art introduces a new topic: time disturbances and time travel. He mentions how many believe time travel will eventually be possible, leading to the existence of time travelers who could potentially alter the past, present, and future. Art brings up the idea of “time disturbances,” where people have strong, nagging memories of events that differ from the present timeline, such as the belief that Nelson Mandela died in jail rather than becoming South Africa’s leader.
Dr. Spence shares her perspective on time, suggesting that time is not linear but spherical. She explains that past, present, and future might exist simultaneously, and our perception of time is shaped by our movement and awareness through it. Using the analogy of traveling on a path, she illustrates how our reality is shaped by the route we take, but other paths still exist even if we’re not on them.
They discuss the implications of getting lost on a journey, comparing it to how time disturbances might feel when people remember different versions of events. Dr. Spence humorously notes that men might take longer to recognize they are lost due to reluctance to ask for directions, drawing a parallel to how people might be slow to acknowledge or understand time disturbances.
Dr. Morgan Spence continues discussing time disturbances, suggesting that we might experience shifts in reality due to various disturbances in energy or vibrations. She agrees with a listener’s theory that shadow people could be time travelers from the future, cloaking themselves to avoid altering the timeline. Dr. Spence believes that some shadow beings might indeed be time travelers, even if they are unaware of it.
Art and Dr. Spence explore the idea that changes in the past might create new parallel universes rather than altering the present timeline directly. Dr. Spence references Dr. Michio Kaku’s theories, suggesting that powerful energy or radiation could result in new dimensions or parallel universes. She speculates that parts of the brain we don’t use might connect us to these parallel universes, allowing for moments of awareness or shifts between dimensions.
Dr. Spence describes experiencing moments where she feels a shift or has a memory lapse, comparing it to a “fugue state” where she performs actions without later remembering them. She theorizes that these occurrences might be due to vibrational disturbances causing a temporary shift to another parallel universe. This could explain why people sometimes feel like they momentarily “spiral away” into another reality.
Art notes that if this theory is true, humans are like observers with little control over these shifts, which might be manipulated by external forces. Dr. Spence agrees but suggests that these shifts might not be intentional and could result from random energy phenomena. She gives an example of an apple disappearing from a bag as a possible manifestation of such disturbances.
Dr. Morgan Spence theorizes that parallel universes might explain the phenomenon of déjà vu. She suggests that leaks between these universes could cause us to remember places we’ve never physically been in this timeline, but have experienced in a parallel one. This idea aligns with the concept that time and reality are spherical rather than linear, allowing for such overlaps.
Art Bell and Dr. Spence discuss the nature of shadow beings and whether they pose any real danger. While the immediate fright of encountering such entities is significant, Dr. Spence believes that some might be benign or even mischievous, while others could be sinister. She emphasizes the importance of not letting fear distort logical thinking, as fear can block rational thought just like anger does.
Dr. Spence shares a personal anecdote about a friend who became mentally ill due to intense research into paranormal phenomena, underscoring the need for proper training and perspective when delving into such areas. She explains that strong emotions like fear can feed these entities, likening them to psychic vampires. Reducing fear can diminish their power over us.
They also touch upon the idea that invoking religious phrases like “be gone in the name of Jesus” might work because it calms the person, reducing their fear and thus the emotional energy available to the entities. This suggests that controlling one’s emotional response can influence interactions with these beings.
Dr. Morgan Spence addresses the possibility that invoking the name of Jesus might indeed dispel shadow beings, as some believe it calms the individual, reducing the fear energy these entities might feed on. She acknowledges that whether it’s psychological or spiritual, if it works for the person, it’s beneficial.
Art transitions to taking calls, inviting listeners to discuss time disturbances or shadow beings. A listener from Sioux Falls shares a personal query about her husband engaging in sexual activity while asleep, thinking he’s dreaming. Dr. Spence explains this might be due to a sleep disorder where the individual isn’t paralyzed during REM sleep, allowing them to act out dreams physically. She advises consulting a sleep specialist to prevent potential escalation into violent behavior.
A caller from Greenville, South Carolina, shares her lifelong experiences with shadow beings, noting she first noticed them around the time her family got an early television in the 1950s. She recalls incidents where she felt protected by an unseen force, suggesting these entities might have moved her out of harm’s way. Dr. Spence finds the connection between early high-tech items in homes and sightings of shadow beings significant, as her research often shows that families with early access to technology report more such experiences.
Art and Dr. Spence discuss the implications of these protective shadow beings, considering whether they might be what people traditionally view as angels or protective spirits.
Dr. Morgan Spence discusses how near-death experiences might involve the soul being sucked into a black hole, transporting the individual to a parallel universe where their awareness continues in a new body. This could explain why people often report seeing a bright light during these experiences, as described by Dr. Michio Kaku, who mentions the intense light and radiation near a black hole. Dr. Spence suggests that subtle changes in reality, like misremembering the state of a house or whether Nelson Mandela is alive, might be evidence of this shift between universes.
Regarding shadow beings, Dr. Spence believes they might follow behavioral patterns similar to humans, with some being protective or benevolent while others might have malicious intentions. She notes that reports from people vary greatly, supporting the idea that shadow beings are diverse in nature and intent.
Dr. Spence connects the study of shadow beings with extraterrestrials, suggesting that some shadow beings could be advanced extraterrestrial entities capable of manipulating energy fields to remain invisible. She theorizes that abductions might be perceived as terrifying due to their unfamiliarity, but these actions might not be inherently evil. Drawing a parallel to how humans handle endangered species, she explains that we often capture, tag, and study animals to help them, which might be equally terrifying for the animals. This perspective suggests that extraterrestrial interactions could be misunderstood in a similar way.
Dr. Spence and Art Bell continue discussing the potential benevolence of these beings, likening their actions to how humans might capture and tag endangered species for their protection, despite the fear this might cause the animals. Dr. Spence acknowledges the frustration that despite possible interventions, there hasn’t been significant improvement in human behavior, suggesting it might be a long process.
A listener from Syracuse, New York, shares her shadow person experience. She describes a dream where she felt a dark entity hovering above her, which then swooped down and grabbed her by the throat, immobilizing her. In her dream, she managed to hum a chant, which seemed to alleviate the pressure on her throat. Dr. Spence finds it interesting that the listener had the presence of mind to hum and suggests that this might have helped her manage her fear and potentially disrupt the entity’s hold.
Art and Dr. Spence discuss the possibility that these experiences might not be “just dreams” but could have elements of reality, especially given the strong sensations and the sense of an out-of-body experience. They highlight the importance of staying calm and using techniques like humming to mitigate fear and regain control.
Dr. Morgan Spence discusses the uncertainty surrounding experiences that may feel like dreams but have physical effects the next day. She emphasizes that the brain cannot distinguish between dreams and reality, which is why nightmares and pleasant dreams can evoke strong physical and emotional responses. This ambiguity makes it challenging to definitively label such experiences as either purely dreams or real encounters with entities.
A caller from Syracuse recounts a shadow person experience where she felt a dark entity immobilize her. She managed to hum, which seemed to alleviate the entity’s hold on her. Dr. Spence finds it interesting that the caller had the presence of mind to hum, which might have helped manage her fear and disrupt the entity’s control. They speculate that the immobilization might be a precaution by the entity, similar to how humans immobilize animals for medical procedures to prevent them from harming themselves or others.
Art introduces the topic of reproductive actions by these beings, mentioning a professor’s theory that their actions might be sexual or reproductive in nature. Dr. Spence agrees that this could be a possibility.
Dr. Spence’s website and upcoming book, “Shadow Beings: Reality Unveiled,” are mentioned, and listeners are encouraged to visit her site for more information. The conversation then transitions to listener calls, with one caller reminiscing about imagining invisible beings as a child and another discussing the concept of imagination potentially being the brain’s reception of unknown inputs. They reference how many ideas from science fiction have later become reality, suggesting that imagination might be more than just fantasy.
Dr. Spence continues discussing the nature of shadow beings and consciousness, suggesting that everything is interconnected through energy vibrations. She compares the brain to a receiver and transmitter, emphasizing that despite its complexity, it fundamentally receives and sends information. This simplicity is mirrored in how computers process zeros and ones to perform complex tasks.
A caller introduces the idea that shadow beings might be thought forms or projections created by humans. He describes experiences where people see shadow versions of themselves before arriving at a location or encounter three-dimensional shadow beings in dreams or through astral projection. He proposes that these entities could be projections of our own thoughts or those of other beings, suggesting that what schizophrenics experience might be a heightened awareness of these thought forms.
Dr. Spence agrees that this is a plausible explanation for some shadow beings, noting that it aligns with concepts explored in her upcoming book. She acknowledges the possibility that humans are constantly projecting these forms unconsciously and that certain individuals, like schizophrenics, might be more attuned to perceiving them.
Dr. Spence elaborates on the idea that shadow beings could be projections of our own energy, possibly shedding old parts of ourselves that continue to exist with a “mini consciousness” until they dissipate. She suggests that when we think about someone, we might be sending energy in their direction, potentially projecting a part of ourselves to that location.
A caller from northern Indiana proposes an idea related to time travel, suggesting that people with photographic memories retain perfect recall except for historical facts, which could indicate changes in the timeline. Dr. Spence finds this fascinating but notes the challenge of proving such a theory. The caller also mentions Irish folklore, which describes a “shade” or intermediate world between our reality and the astral plane, and claims that security tapes from major malls sometimes show people disappearing and reappearing, implying the existence of such a realm.
Another caller from British Columbia shares his experiences with shadow people, continuing the discussion on the nature of these entities and their interactions with humans.
A caller from British Columbia shares two experiences with shadow beings. In the first, he wakes from a dream involving a glowing orange sphere to find a dark shape beside his bed, which then morphs into a canine-like fog before disappearing. In the second, he dreams of shadow people and dogs in a grassy field, who then turn into spirits and fly around him, accompanied by a loud screeching noise that wakes him up. He recounts his girlfriend watching a show on sleep paralysis that discusses dark entities, connecting it to his experiences.
Dr. Spence thanks the caller and discusses her upcoming book, “Shadow Beings: Reality Unveiled,” which will be available as an ebook on June 18th and in paperback in August. She also promotes her new website dedicated to shadow beings. Art Bell appreciates Dr. Spence’s insights and confirms plans to have her back on the program soon.
The show concludes with Art thanking everyone for participating and hinting at open lines for the next night.