The focus is on the intriguing phenomena known as the Hutchinson Effect, discovered by Canadian self-taught scientist John Hutchinson. Hutchinson, while studying Tesla’s longitudinal waves in 1979, accidentally found that he could cause heavy objects to levitate and metals to exhibit bizarre behaviors like turning transparent, jelly-like, or spontaneously fracturing. This effect has been documented and witnessed by numerous scientists and engineers, and over 750 demonstrations of levitation have been conducted by Hutchinson. He also has video evidence of metals falling apart and wood becoming impregnated into metals.
His findings have attracted attention from the U.S., Japanese, and Canadian media, as well as electrical engineering and aircraft companies, and even the Canadian Department of Defense. Art encourages listeners to visit his website to view videos and photos of Hutchinson’s experiments and laboratory, which he describes as impressively rivaling NASA’s facilities.
John Hutchinson joins the program from New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada. He discusses his journey into Tesla technology, starting in the 1960s and gaining inspiration in the 1970s to replicate 18th-century high-frequency converters and generators. His experiments weren’t aimed at proving anything but were driven by his fascination with high voltage, radio frequency energies, and electrostatic energies, including building a Van de Graaf generator capable of reaching 2 million electron volts.
Around 1979, Hutchinson started noticing anomalous events, like bakelite materials moving on their own during his experiments with electrostatic and Tesla coil machinery. He relates these occurrences to the Philadelphia Experiment of 1982, suggested by Dr. Guy Obolensky, which involved similar electromagnetic fields and frequencies. In a bizarre incident in 1987, a building supposedly disappeared while he was working with a team including individuals from Boeing and Russia.
Hutchinson describes a curious incident where an insurance agent couldn’t locate his laboratory because the building seemingly vanished. This event, although not witnessed by Hutchinson himself, was recounted by his colleagues and added to the enigmatic nature of his experiments.
Hutchinson explains the technical aspects of his experiments in detail. He was using three Tesla coils with different frequencies (75 kilohertz and 14 megahertz), along with RF generators set at 455 kilohertz and electrostatic generators that reached up to half a million volts. His setup also included finely tuned equipment with high capacitance and vacuum tube operations.
Art watches one of Hutchinson’s videos, showing objects of various kinds, including solid and plastic ones, levitating and moving on their own in a laboratory in Vancouver, Canada. This laboratory, sponsored by Boeing and involving other scientists, showcased the peak efficiency of Hutchinson’s experiments during 1987-1989. The phenomena included heavy objects like a wrench spontaneously taking flight, captured on video.
Hutchinson mentions incorporating microwave technology and more advanced Tesla and electrostatic systems in this phase of his experiments. He suggests that these experiments might be opening up pathways to other dimensions, allowing for such extraordinary occurrences. The movements of the objects, including how they sometimes hit beams and changed direction, are discussed, along with the impact of the Earth’s slight movements on these phenomena.
Art is profoundly impressed by the demonstrations, noting the sheer improbability of such heavy objects defying gravity. Hutchinson invites anyone interested to try replicating his experiments, sharing that he was using a lot more equipment than in the early ’80s and that the setup required precise tuning and generated a significant amount of heat.
Hutchinson describes his experimental setup in more detail, revealing the complexity and magnitude of his apparatus. His laboratory included a 1 million volt Tesla coil, a 2 million volt electrostatic unit, Van de Graaf generators, and an army surplus radar system capable of emitting X-band radar. He also used a pulsating magnetron, contributing to an extensive array of electromagnetic equipment.
Hutchinson recounts how the German government showed interest in his work around 1989-1990. During his experiments, he had to constantly adjust the equipment to maintain the effects and prevent spontaneous fires. The laboratory setup required a significant power input, with his equipment consuming up to 3000 watts at 110 volts.
He details his journey of acquiring equipment, often from scrapyards and surplus stores in Canada. People were intrigued by his experiments and often donated or sold equipment at very low prices. He even acquired a Tesla transformer similar to the one used in Colorado Springs by Tesla himself.
Art expresses astonishment at the phenomena Hutchinson describes, particularly the transparency and jelly-like transformation of metals. Hutchinson believes these effects might be due to unique subatomic structures and the presence of exotic particles like grab atoms and cronins. He also mentions the work of scientists like Ken Shoulders and Richard Hall in replicating aspects of his experiments, particularly in terms of invisibility.
The conversation touches upon the similarities between Hutchinson’s experiments and the Philadelphia Experiment. Hutchinson shares that he was inspired by the experiment and adjusted his frequencies based on suggestions from scientists like Dr. Georg Lenski. He chose 455 kilohertz as a fundamental frequency for his experiments, considering it a “magical frequency” for many of his experiments.
John Hutchinson recounts his early fascination with Tesla machines and radio equipment, beginning as a child in North Vancouver. He humorously recalls a 1965 incident where he scared the local community into believing there was a UFO invasion by sending up hydrogen balloons coated with tinfoil, drawing attention from newspapers and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
Hutchinson describes some of his more dangerous experiments, including an incident where he inadvertently caused a telephone pole to move three feet, which he discovered when investigating spontaneous fires and other hazards in his lab. He admits that much of his experimentation is based on exploration and curiosity, without fully understanding the underlying principles.
Art Bell and Hutchinson discuss the mixed reactions from the academic and military scientific communities. While academics often react negatively to his work, military scientists are typically excited about the possibilities. Hutchinson was discovered by George Hathaway, a scientist, and Alexis Pizarro, an oil executive, who helped promote his work. Despite the significance of his discoveries, Hutchinson describes himself as a loner with agoraphobia, lacking social skills and being uncomfortable with sudden fame.
Hutchinson also mentions his encounters with the government, including a 1979 incident related to gun control registration due to his large collection of weapons. He reflects on his lack of formal education and his astonishment at the scientific community’s interest in his work, expressing surprise at being thrust into the limelight despite his unconventional background and methods.
John Hutchinson delves into his interactions with various individuals and organizations who were interested in his work on the Hutchinson Effect. Hutchinson describes his first airplane trip to Toronto, where he was encouraged by his friends, including Alex Pizarro and George Hathaway, to sign a document. This agreement was to facilitate the introduction of his discoveries into the scientific community.
Hutchinson mentions his relocation from Lynn Valley to another location, leading to the involvement of the U.S. government. He specifically names Colonel John B. Alexander as part of the team interested in his work. Hutchinson clarifies some confusions regarding his interactions with the Pentagon and other military personnel.
He also discusses his connections with various figures in the scientific and defense communities, including Lieutenant Colonel Tom Bearden and Jack Holcomb of McDonald’s Douglas Aerospace. They conducted unclassified experiments with Hutchinson and released videos and documentation of their findings.
Hutchinson’s work caught the attention of Nick Cooke of Jane’s Defense Weekly, who featured him in a book about black budget projects in both the U.S. and Canada. The discussion touches on Lockheed Martin’s Skunkworks and their interest in Hutchinson’s work, potentially for advanced propulsion technologies.
The show also mentions Hutchinson’s appearances on TLC and Fox TV, where his experiments were showcased, and comments from Colonel Alexander on TLC about the Hutchinson Effect. There’s mention of Los Alamos National Laboratory analyzing his Super 8 millimeter film to verify its authenticity.
Hutchinson talks about the Pentagon’s interest in his work in relation to Ronald Reagan’s Star Wars program. He describes internal disagreements within the team analyzing his work, particularly mentioning an individual referred to as “Bad Bob,” who wanted to shut down the project for undisclosed reasons.
Hutchinson describes an argument between Colonel Alexander and another individual, Bob, who was skeptical of the Hutchinson Effect and accused Hutchinson of using a multimillion-dollar laboratory to produce the effects with lightning bolts. Hutchinson refutes this, stating that such a setup would have caused a whiteout in the camera recording the phenomena.
Hutchinson talks about the various effects he has observed, including the “breathing effect” on solid rubber objects and the impact on different materials like water, milk, and metal. He notes that despite the powerful fields generated, none of the experimenters were hurt, although they did feel the field’s presence. He mentions that the effects could be observed up to 300 feet away from the lab, as confirmed by an employee of Los Alamos National Laboratory.
Jack Houck, a scientist from McDonald’s Douglas, suggested that if they could focus the Hutchinson Effect, it might be possible to lift the entire lab. This concept of an energy scavenging system intrigued the military for potential applications. Art Bell encourages listeners to visit his website to view videos of Hutchinson’s experiments, where objects made of various materials are seen moving in ways that defy conventional physics.
Hutchinson addresses the skepticism about the authenticity of his videos, particularly the notion that they could be played in reverse to simulate the effects. He assures that the movements observed in the videos, such as objects moving sideways before taking off, could not be achieved by reversing the footage.
The conversation shifts to the reproducibility of the Hutchinson Effect, likening it to the challenges faced in cold fusion research. Hutchinson acknowledges the difficulties in consistently reproducing the effects, especially in the presence of observers, but asserts that he has become more adept over time. He mentions that by the late 1980s, he could reliably produce significant effects, with several observers witnessing these phenomena firsthand.
Hutchinson discusses the importance of each component in his experimental setup, including Tesla coils, electrostatic voltage, and RF at 455 kilohertz. He emphasizes the criticality of finely tuning these components, likening the process to operating a precise laser arm. Hutchinson explains that omitting any one component results in no observable effects, underscoring the interconnectedness of his equipment.
Hutchinson recalls his early days of experimenting, driven by a sense of wonder and enjoyment. He describes creating Tesla coils to Tesla’s original standards and being fascinated by the magical sparks and balls of light produced in his lab. He recounts an incident where a sheet of aluminum foil floated across his basement, much to the surprise of his landlady.
Art Bell mentions another experimenter, nicknamed “Mad Man Markham,” who created a device similar to Hutchinson’s but then mysteriously disappeared. This leads to a discussion about whether Hutchinson ever experimented with shrinking money or biological samples. Hutchinson mentions an incident at a Denver conference in 1994 where money was reportedly shrunk to a third of its size. He also talks about trying to grow a plant in the field and placing dinners in the field, noting that although the food tasted better, there were no significant changes.
The conversation turns to the hazards of the experiments, with Hutchinson recalling how a Canadian news team destroyed a $75,000 camera due to the large electromagnetic field. Despite these risks, Hutchinson’s work has garnered interest and coverage, including a recent appearance on a Fox television show.
Art asks Hutchinson what he believes the Hutchinson Effect is. Hutchinson describes it as manipulating various fields – Tesla, static electrostatic, and magnetic – in a geometric fashion. He sees his work as an exploration of these fields and their interactions, driven by his familiarity and experimentation with them.
Hutchinson explains that his work potentially involves interdimensional effects influencing gravity and time, based on papers by scientists like Rennie Lewis and Andrea Sakharov. He mentions a document accepted by the US government in 1983, proposing that the combination of Tesla coils, static generators, and RF systems could cause distortions in dimensions or time.
Hutchinson describes instances where objects became weightless and floated in the air, observable in videos and photographs. Despite the visible evidence, some people remain skeptical or overwhelmed by the phenomena. Hutchinson recalls a defense contracts lawyer who, after witnessing the effects, was so excited that he gave Hutchinson $100 without even looking in the target zone.
The conversation shifts to the scientific scrutiny of Hutchinson’s work. Teams carefully investigate his experiments for trickery, sealing off the area and documenting everything with video and Super 8 millimeter film. Dr. Alec Kuhn of the Canadian government’s technical intelligence agency and other international labs like Max Planck Institute have analyzed the effects, finding that the energy causing metal fracturing seems to originate from within the material itself.
Art Bell describes some of the still photographs on his website, including a distorted chunk of metal and a metal slab with a knife impaled in it. Hutchinson explains these phenomena as samples merging during experiments, with one sample embedding into another. He also references the Philadelphia Experiment, drawing parallels to a piece of wood embedded in a metal block.
One of the most striking results discussed is a non-magnetic stainless steel bar that turned to a jelly-like state under the influence of Hutchinson’s field. The discoloration and transformation of the steel were captured on video, but the exact cause of these changes remains undetermined.
John Hutchinson describes an extraordinary sequence of events involving his experimental equipment and various international groups. Hutchinson speculates that the bizarre transformations observed in his experiments, like the creation of unknown alloy materials, could be due to massive distortions in atomic structure related to gravity and time. He suggests that everything has a gravity field influenced by subatomic reactions.
Hutchinson reveals that his equipment was seized by the Canadian government during a planned move to Germany, where he had received an offer from a team interested in his work. He explains that he wanted to leave a group connected to Boeing, fearing a major takeover and a shift towards military applications of his research. As he attempted to move his equipment, the lab was raided by police and individuals connected to Boeing.
A complicated legal battle ensued, with Hutchinson’s equipment eventually being placed in shipping containers. However, the Canadian government seized these containers, citing the presence of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) as the reason. This incident made the front page of the Vancouver Sun newspaper around February 1990.
The article described the government secretly building a PCB site in Surrey and mentioned the seizure of Hutchinson’s lab equipment, including unusual machines like big glass balls with wires coming out of them. The newspaper article used the term “inventor goes to ground” to describe Hutchinson’s situation following the seizure of his lab, implying that he had disappeared or gone into hiding. Hutchinson clarifies that he was in Germany at the time and was even contacted by Interpol, who thought he might be held captive by people from the Eastern Bloc.
After the seizure of his laboratory by Canadian authorities, he discusses various international interests in his technology and his own movements between countries.
Hutchinson details how he was preparing to move his equipment to Germany and Austria, where teams were interested in his work. However, his plans were thwarted when the Canadian government seized all of his equipment under the pretext of containing polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs). Hutchinson refutes this claim, stating that parts of his equipment containing no PCBs were also taken. This incident received significant media attention, including coverage in the Vancouver Sun.
Hutchinson describes his interactions with various government agencies and officials, including a phone call from NBC inquiring about his safety. He expresses frustration over the loss of his equipment and the legal battles that ensued. Despite the challenges, he managed to retrieve some of his test equipment, but all Tesla-related items were permanently lost.
The story takes another twist as Hutchinson mentions being approached by Canadian intelligence agents who offered him a weekly stipend to collaborate with them. He accepted this offer out of curiosity but later found that the company and people he was dealing with disappeared.
Hutchinson also reflects on why he didn’t simply recreate his equipment in Europe, acknowledging that it would have been easier but was complicated by shifting circumstances and interests in Europe.
John Hutchinson discusses the aftermath of his equipment seizure and his ongoing experiments. He sold off much of his equipment to local ham radio operators and disposed of the rest in a scrapyard. Although not a licensed ham operator himself, Hutchinson expresses a strong interest in ham and vacuum tube technology.
Hutchinson mentions that he had financial support from various sources, including people from Japan and Germany, which helped him stay afloat after his return from Germany. He also talks about his curiosity regarding the effects his field might have on timepieces and biological organisms, although he never conducted experiments on animals due to personal beliefs.
The conversation shifts to audience interaction, with Art Bell inviting listeners who have seen Hutchinson’s videos to call in with questions. A caller from New York, a former Persian Gulf War veteran, asks if Hutchinson’s technology could be used as a weapon to disrupt tanks. Hutchinson acknowledges the potential but expresses his preference for using his discoveries for advanced space propulsion. He mentions NASA’s interest in 1997 at an advanced propulsion workshop.
Another caller from Los Angeles commends Hutchinson for not pursuing military applications and suggests the technology could be used for space travel or environmental restoration. The caller also speculates about hypnotic regression as a means to access further innovative ideas, a notion Hutchinson seems open to exploring.
Hutchinson talks about disposing of his test equipment and his fascination with ham and vacuum tube technology. Hutchinson sold much of his equipment to local ham radio operators and scrapped the rest.
He reflects on why he has the drive to pursue these experiments and speculates that his technology might tap into zero-point energy. Hutchinson believes the combination of fields in his experiments produces unique effects, and he is confident about this connection.
The conversation shifts to his connection with Area 51 and Lockheed Martin’s Skunkworks. Nick Cook, Chief Aviation Editor at Jane’s Defense Weekly, explored why so much money was being allocated to black budget projects and discovered that Lockheed Martin Skunkworks had copies of Hutchinson’s tapes. Hutchinson was surprised to learn about this interest in his work and the potential application of his research in advanced propulsion technology at Area 51.
Hutchinson also mentions receiving letters from notable figures such as Oliver North, the Shah of Iran, and Bill Clinton, expressing interest in his work. Additionally, he discusses the reduction of background radiation in his field, a finding he finds intriguing.
Callers ask Hutchinson about the configuration of his apparatus, including the positioning of Tesla coils and Van de Graaff generators. Hutchinson explains the importance of geometric patterns and the placement of equipment, emphasizing that units placed in threes work best. He also discovered the significance of pulsating DC spheres in enhancing the effects of his experiments.
A caller inquires whether professional videographers have captured better quality footage of Hutchinson’s experiments. Hutchinson responds that in 1997, there was interest in moving his work to California for scientific observation, but this plan did not materialize. He also talks about a 1999 experiment for Fox TV, where his field affected a building across the street, moving objects inside it.
Another caller from West Virginia expresses interest in attempting to recreate some of Hutchinson’s basic experiments. Hutchinson advises starting with Tesla coils and Van de Graff generators, placed in proximity to each other, and recommends following one’s instincts and scientific wisdom in conducting these experiments.
A subsequent caller questions the authenticity of Hutchinson’s videos, suggesting they might be an illusion created by filming upside down and using magnets. Hutchinson counters this by referencing the lateral movement of objects in his videos, which would be inconsistent with the caller’s theory. He also responds to a question about whether his laboratory’s location on or near one of the planet’s ley lines could have influenced his experiments. Hutchinson does not believe the location has a significant impact on his experiments’ effectiveness.
Hutchinson continues to answer questions from callers and discusses various aspects of his experiments.
- Laboratory Locations and Ley Lines: Hutchinson clarifies that his experiments worked in all different locations across the greater Vancouver area, dispelling the notion that magnetic ley lines influenced his results.
- Correspondence and Documentation: A caller from Norway, who corresponded with Hutchinson in the early ’90s, brings up the topic of documentation. Hutchinson admits he is more of a demonstrator and showman, with other scientists often documenting his work.
- Microwave Field Levitation: The same caller mentions a Polish researcher’s experiment with microwave HF field levitation of a crystal device, which George Hathaway also replicated. Hutchinson recalls seeing documents about this but did not conduct the experiment himself.
- Questions from Other Callers: Additional callers inquire about various topics:
- One caller asks if anyone disappeared from a building affected by Hutchinson’s experiments. Hutchinson states he wasn’t aware of any such incidents.
- Another caller seeks recommendations for purchasing books or videos about Hutchinson’s work. Hutchinson mentions that film companies and production houses in Los Angeles have some of his work, and he provides his email address for direct contact.
- A caller from Pittsburgh suggests experimenting with an “inside out motor” on a spinning table, comparing it to the Philadelphia Experiment. The caller theorizes that embedding objects like wood in metal through Hutchinson’s process could replicate aspects of the Philadelphia Experiment.
- Equipment and Experiments: Hutchinson agrees with a caller that using four coils could lead to a time shift. He has observed light effects and energy absorption in his experiments, which he captured on Super 8 film.
- Future Plans: Hutchinson expresses interest in introducing his work to the entertainment industry and possibly signing a contract for a movie about his life. He also desires to give a massive demonstration of his experiments to a major US network.
- Theoretical Discussions and Caller Inquiries: A caller from Canada discusses spinning RF fields and relates them to the work of Buckminster Fuller and the concept of a unified field theory. They also mention the potential connection between Hutchinson’s work and ancient pyramids or the Coral Castle in Florida, suggesting that previous civilizations might have known similar technologies.
- Ancient Civilizations and Technology: Hutchinson speculates that it’s highly probable that ancient civilizations or extraterrestrial races had access to advanced technology, citing the construction of the Great Pyramid as an example. He muses on the possibility that such structures were built using technologies similar to what he has experimented with.
- Safety and Experimentation: Hutchinson explains that he was usually in a control room, shielded and properly grounded during his experiments to avoid exposure to X-rays and other harmful effects. He confirms that no one was ever injured during his experiments, despite the potential dangers due to the unknown size and nature of the field generated.
- Interest from Magicians and Entertainment Industry: Hutchinson mentions he has not been approached by magicians but is considering introducing his work into the entertainment industry. Film makers have expressed interest in creating a movie about his life.
- Field Sensing and Measurement: Hutchinson describes an intriguing anecdote about a friend who could physically sense the fields generated during experiments. They used a simple meter setup to predict and measure the field fluctuations.
- Confiscation of Records: Responding to a caller’s question, Hutchinson states that his records, videos, and metal samples were not confiscated and are stored safely.
- Vacuum Experiments and Media Offers: A caller from Texas inquires whether Hutchinson has conducted experiments in a vacuum. Hutchinson has not, but he finds the idea of spinning magnetic fields in a vacuum intriguing. He is open to media offers and mentions a potential appearance on a show by Dan Aykroyd, which was unexpectedly canceled.
The show concludes with Hutchinson expressing gratitude for being on the show and discussing his interest in further media opportunities.