2002-06-07 – Phillip H. Krapf – A Journalist’s Encounter with Alien Beings, The Amazing Kreskin Banned

Show: Coast To Coast AM

Air Date: June 7, 2002

Guest(s): Phillip H. Krapf

Topic(s): A Journalist's Encounter with Alien Beings, The Amazing Kreskin Banned

Art begins the show with news of high tensions between Pakistan and India, mentioning a recent incident where Pakistani jets shot down an unmanned Indian spy plane. He notes that Pakistan aims to decrease tensions but will defend itself if aggression occurs. Art then shifts to discussing an intriguing event involving UFO sightings during the President’s speech, which turned out to be a plane in the flight path of Reagan International Airport. He introduces a fun segment about the “insanity test” from Cornell University, encouraging listeners to try it with their computer speakers on.

As the show continues, Art humorously talks about the weather forecast in Pahrump, predicting strong winds that could lead to unusual occurrences, reminiscent of a previous windstorm. He shares anecdotes about past windstorms that caused objects like rubber pools and tree limbs to fly through the air.

Art then welcomes a caller, Christian, who had previously predicted a major UFO sighting in Las Vegas. They discuss the outcome of this prediction, with Art noting that no significant sightings were reported, despite Christian’s initial claims of hundreds of witnesses. Christian defends his position, stating that while he left early, many others stayed, and that the event was significant.

Art engages in a heated discussion with Christian about a press release that revealed Christian’s original intention was to demonstrate how psychological persuasion could create a mass event, which Art interprets as deception. Christian clarifies that his goal was to show how an enemy might exploit people’s imaginations. The conversation becomes tense as Art accuses Christian of lying about a $50,000 charity donation and questions the legitimacy of the UFO sightings. Christian insists that thousands witnessed the event, though Art remains skeptical. Art emphasizes that the audience outside the theater was unaware of Christian’s instructions to those inside, leading to confusion. Christian describes the psychological impact on people, mentioning green lights and vibrations that some perceived. Despite Art’s disbelief, Christian maintains that the event demonstrated the potential for manipulating mass perception.

Art continues to confront Christian about the UFO sighting incident, emphasizing that if the lady from Seattle had stayed, she would have seen the phenomenon, as it occurred within the predicted timeframe. Christian defends the legitimacy of the sighting, insisting that thousands witnessed it live, supported by verification from MSNBC and Fox News. However, Art remains critical, equating Christian’s actions to terrorism and expressing his anger over the deception. He ultimately bans Christian from the show for dishonesty, highlighting a distinction between guests who genuinely believe in their visions and those who intend to deceive.

Art reads a press release from Christian, reiterating that the original intention was to demonstrate how an enemy might create a mass happening through psychological manipulation. Art criticizes this approach, stressing that the event’s original intent and whatever happened later were irrelevant, as the claim of a significant sighting was unfounded. He distinguishes between honest guests and those who mislead the audience, expressing his frustration and disappointment with Christian’s actions.

Art then transitions to introducing Phil Krapf, a remarkable individual who spent 25 years as an editor at the Los Angeles Times and shared in a Pulitzer Prize for coverage of the LA riots. Phil’s career spanned 30 years in the newspaper business before his retirement in 1993. In June 1997, Phil had an extraordinary experience aboard an alien spacecraft, which he documented in his writings.

Philip shares alarming news that originated from alien beings known as the Verdants. According to Philip, these extraterrestrials are concerned about the escalating tensions on Earth, particularly in the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent, where the likelihood of nuclear weapon use has increased. The Verdants have communicated that if any faction uses a nuclear device, they will abandon Earth, considering humanity a lost cause. This decision, sanctioned by the Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign Planets, signifies that humanity would be left to its own destructive fate.

Philip emphasizes that the statement from the Verdants is not a prophecy of inevitable nuclear war but a serious warning. The aliens’ message includes concerns not only about governments but also terrorist groups potentially using nuclear devices. This warning, while reaffirming previous messages from the Verdants, has caused panic among people who misinterpret it as a prediction of certain war. Philip notes that the statement’s tone is indeed grim, reflecting the dangerous and perilous times we are in. The intent of the message is possibly to serve as a wake-up call for humanity to prevent such catastrophic outcomes.

Art and Philip discuss why aliens, specifically the Verdants, don’t intervene directly in human conflicts. Philip explains that the Verdants have made it clear they are not here as saviors. While compassionate and willing to help, their primary goal is self-interest, avoiding the threat of a warlike species in space. This concern has grown due to global issues like nuclear proliferation and the events of 9/11. Initially hopeful after the Cold War ended, the Verdants now see humanity as increasingly violent, which has made them reconsider their involvement.

Philip recounts that the Verdants planned to establish diplomatic relations with Earth in early 2001, but the 9/11 attacks caused them to step back and reassess. He notes that while some believe alien intervention could unify humanity and prevent catastrophic events, the Verdants maintain that mankind’s destiny is in its own hands. They respect human religions and take a long-term view, choosing not to interfere directly.

Philip believes that the Verdants’ stance is both practical and rooted in their religious beliefs, which emphasize non-interference and respect for diverse forms of worship. This approach has caused both concern and frustration among those hoping for direct alien intervention to solve global problems.

Philip reveals that the Verdants believe in a creative force or God and respect the idea that every species, including humans, has a divine plan. They feel it is not their place to interfere directly because they do not know what that plan entails. This belief emerged from various discussions Philip had with the Verdants, where they touched on topics like reincarnation and invisibility, showcasing their humor and depth.

Art and Philip discuss the harsh realities of life and survival, noting that 99.99% of all species that ever existed on Earth are extinct. This stark fact underlines the Verdants’ stance that humanity must prove itself worthy of inclusion in the intergalactic community. If humanity resorts to catastrophic war, the Verdants would cease efforts to establish diplomatic relations until humanity demonstrates significant positive change.

Philip emphasizes that the Verdants believe mankind’s destiny is in its own hands and that achieving peace, tolerance, and respect for diverse cultures and religions is crucial. Despite receiving numerous emotional messages from people distressed by these revelations, Philip remains convinced that self-improvement and global cooperation are key.

Philip describes his initial encounter with the Verdants, where he discovered his role in helping to establish diplomatic relations between humans and aliens as humanity approached the verge of deep space exploration. He emphasizes that the Verdants do not predict nuclear war but warn that if humanity engages in such destructive behavior, they will withdraw. The Verdants’ main concern is preventing an aggressive, warlike species from threatening interplanetary peace.

Art and Philip discuss the possibility that the Verdants might prevent humans from reaching deep space if deemed unfit, potentially setting back human progress by hundreds of years without using violence. Philip notes that the Verdants have methods to ensure that dangerous species do not pose a threat beyond their own planet. They maintain a probationary view even for species admitted into their intergalactic community.

Philip reveals that the Verdants’ organization includes 27,000 member species but there are also about 200 species currently isolated due to their potential threat. Some previously quarantined species have successfully reformed and joined the community, suggesting that rehabilitation is possible. He underscores that intolerance is a significant issue, causing many of the world’s problems, and stresses the importance of tolerance and respect for others to achieve global peace.

Philip and Art discuss the fundamental issue of intolerance as a major cause of global conflicts, including groups like Al-Qaeda. Philip acknowledges the simplicity of the solution—stopping violence and respecting others—but recognizes the challenges posed by fanatical groups.

Philip reiterates that his credibility as a former journalist at the LA Times allows him to be heard, unlike many others with similar experiences. He notes that the Verdants might have chosen him precisely because his voice could reach a broader audience. Despite this, he insists he is not significantly different from others who have had such encounters, except for writing about his experiences.

Art and Philip explore the idea that the Verdants might prevent humanity from entering deep space if deemed a threat. Philip believes the Verdants would not use violence but have ways to set back scientific progress. He explains that the Verdants have isolated around 200 species with the potential for space travel due to their threats. Some of these species eventually reformed and joined the intergalactic community.

Philip mentions that while the Verdants provide information through a tenuous link, he does not push for constant communication. He remains hopeful that humanity can avoid a nuclear or biological catastrophe, although he fears that a significant disaster could lead the Verdants to cease diplomatic efforts. The Verdants would likely still monitor humanity to ensure no dangerous advancements in space exploration.

Philip explains that during his second visit with the Verdants, he encountered factions among them that believed humanity was not ready for contact. Despite this, the decision was made to proceed with establishing diplomatic relations in August 2001. However, following the 9/11 attacks, these dissenting factions likely feel vindicated. Philip is considering writing another book but needs more material and experiences to share. He reflects on the difficulty of deciding to share his story, knowing the stigma and skepticism surrounding such claims, especially among his former colleagues in journalism.

Art and Philip discuss the broader implications of the Verdants’ potential withdrawal, emphasizing that while the Verdants might stop diplomatic efforts, they would continue monitoring humanity to prevent any threats from reaching space. Philip remains hopeful that humanity can avoid catastrophic events and evolve positively. He notes that more credible individuals are now interested in these topics, although there is still significant skepticism.

The segment concludes with Art recommending Philip’s book, “The Contact Has Begun: The True Story of a Journalist’s Encounter with Alien Beings,” and acknowledging the serious implications of the Verdants’ warnings. Art then transitions to discussing weather phenomena, including the development of an El Niño and widespread drought across the U.S., before opening the lines for calls on other topics.

Art opens the lines for callers, and a listener from east of the Rockies asks about the feasibility of aliens traveling to Earth given the vast distances between stars. Art explains that aliens would look for star systems with planets likely to harbor life, a task even our astronomers are beginning to accomplish. He discusses the potential for traveling near the speed of light or using advanced propulsion systems that could exceed the speed of light. The concept of “folding” space, as depicted in science fiction like Star Trek, is also mentioned as a theoretical possibility for reducing travel time.

The caller also brings up the topic of the pyramids and the age of ancient structures, questioning how they fit within the timeline of human history if Adam and Eve existed only 6,000 years ago. Art acknowledges the difficulty of reconciling this belief with scientific evidence of much older civilizations. He points out that science is increasingly uncovering signs of ancient civilizations that date back tens of thousands, if not millions, of years, challenging the traditional timeline.

Art updates listeners on his upcoming vacation plans, explaining that despite previous time off due to health issues, he intends to take a real vacation from June 20th to July 1st. During this time, George Noory will take over hosting duties. Art praises George, noting his capability and understanding of the show’s unique style.

A caller from the East Coast inquires about the logistics of alien travel and the feasibility of their reaching Earth. Art explains the concept of looking for star systems with planets likely to harbor life and discusses theories about faster-than-light travel and space folding, akin to concepts seen in science fiction.

Another caller expresses appreciation for hearing Art’s wife, Ramona, on the radio, prompting Art to share plans for a future show involving Ramona and her friend, Evelyn Paganini, who is a witch.

Art also shares anecdotes about his cats, particularly Yeti, who loves to play aggressively, and Abby, who miraculously recovered from a near-death experience.

A caller from the Rockies vents about a local teenager needing a double lung and liver transplant, criticizing the insurance company’s insufficient coverage. Art offers to review and potentially share a fundraising website after ensuring its legitimacy.

Art continues discussing the potential of George Noory as a host, emphasizing that George “gets it” and urging listeners to give him a chance. Art attributes his own depth of knowledge to many years of experience in talk radio, acknowledging that while he may not possess innate wisdom, his extensive experience has shaped his understanding.

Art then opens the lines for more calls. A caller from the wild card line suggests that perhaps humans themselves are the Verdants, referring to a consciousness connection. They discuss the heightened awareness and changes in priorities post-9/11, and the caller expresses hope that humanity can prevent further disasters. Art agrees but also acknowledges his primal urge for retaliation against those who caused harm, reflecting a common sentiment among people.

Art then shifts to promoting the “insanity test” on his website, encouraging listeners to try it out and share their experiences. He notes that the test originates from Cornell University and assures it will be an entertaining activity.

A caller appreciates the variety and credibility of guests on Art’s show, particularly mentioning Bob Lazar as exceptionally believable. Art highlights that while not all guests are equally credible, Lazar’s consistent story over the years makes him stand out. Another caller thanks Art for the show and expresses excitement for George Noory’s upcoming hosting, wishing Art a relaxing vacation. Art plans to stay close to home this time, unlike past vacations to Paris, citing post-9/11 sentiments that make domestic travel feel more comfortable.

Art engages with a caller from North Hollywood who works on lighting crews in Hollywood. The caller shares how Art’s show keeps him company during all-night work sessions. They discuss the strong signal of a local AM radio station and reminisce about the impact of the 9/11 attacks, describing it as a pivotal moment akin to Pearl Harbor or the Titanic disaster.

The caller also shares a theory developed over years of listening to Art’s show, believing in the existence of powerful, possibly extraterrestrial forces that surpass human understanding. This belief offers a form of comfort, suggesting that such powers might be involved in significant global events.

A caller speculates that some greater power might have known about the 9/11 attacks but chose not to intervene, suggesting that this non-interference could have been deliberate to avoid worse outcomes, such as a nuclear conflict. Art agrees with the possibility, pointing out that interference in the timeline could have led to even more catastrophic events. The caller believes that the lack of intervention might have been to avoid a more dire future.

Art highlights the heroism of Flight 93 passengers, who prevented further tragedy by sacrificing their lives to stop the hijackers from reaching their target, potentially the White House. This intervention by ordinary people contrasts with the idea of a higher power intervening.

A caller from Alaska brings up the urban legend of the folded $20 bill, which some believe shows the Twin Towers burning and the Pentagon (or White House) hit. Art acknowledges the eerie coincidence and mentions that a high-resolution scan of the folded bill is available on his website.

Another caller inquires about Chris Carter, but Art refuses to discuss the matter further, having already addressed it previously. The show moves on to a caller from Laguna Hills who shares his own experience with chronic back pain and suggests that Art look into the work of Dr. John Sarno for potential relief.

A caller recommends Dr. John Sarno’s book “Healing Back Pain” to Art, sharing how it helped eliminate his own back pain. Art acknowledges owning a copy but hasn’t read it yet, despite having consulted top sports doctors. They shift to discussing personal anecdotes and songs, reflecting the show’s mix of serious and light-hearted moments.

Art emphasizes the power of love as the most significant human emotion, suggesting it holds more importance than currently understood. Another caller, Sandy from Portland, brings up past guest Sean Morton’s theories about sunspot cycles affecting the stock market. Art explains the current unusual sunspot cycle, characterized by a double peak, and addresses listener emails about the sun feeling hotter and its color appearing whiter.

Sandy also asks about the potential fear induced by solar flares and their impact on global conflicts. Art acknowledges the existence of pervasive fear and contrasts it with his earlier statement about love. He admits to struggling with primal feelings of vengeance against those responsible for the 9/11 attacks, illustrating the internal conflict between love and anger.

Another caller inquires about Art’s views on reincarnation versus traditional concepts of heaven or non-existence after death. The caller mentions enjoying Art’s book “The Art of Talk,” particularly the story of how Art and his wife Ramona met and became soulmates.

Art elaborates on his personal belief in soulmates, describing how he instantly knew Ramona was his soulmate the moment he saw her. He believes that when you find your soulmate, you won’t have any doubts—it will be an undeniable feeling. While he leans toward believing in reincarnation, he does not subscribe to the idea of endless reincarnation without progress.

A caller from St. Louis discusses how the passengers on Flight 93 used cell phones to thwart the hijackers, suggesting that if others on board had the same opportunity, more lives could have been saved. The caller also shares a ghost story about a friend who experienced tapping on his shoulder, later discovering that his next-door neighbor’s wife had died that night.

Another caller, Matt from California, shares a personal story about feeling his deceased grandfather’s presence in a dream, which provided him comfort and closure. Art acknowledges the possibility that such experiences might be more than just the brain’s way of coping, pointing out that science is beginning to investigate these phenomena.

Matt then asks about the concept of nonlocality, which Art explains as the idea that everything is interconnected. This interconnectedness could potentially explain phenomena like remote viewing and psychic abilities, where individuals tap into this vast network of connections.

A caller discusses the possibility that Flight 93 might have been shot down rather than brought down by passengers. Art acknowledges that while there was presidential authorization to shoot down the plane, he believes the most obvious explanation is the correct one: the passengers attempted to overpower the hijackers based on their phone calls to loved ones. Art maintains that these passengers are heroes unless proven otherwise.

Another caller suggests that collective unconditional love could be directed towards conflict areas like Kashmir, where India and Pakistan are at odds. Art, however, admits his difficulty in feeling love for those who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks, reflecting his internal conflict between love and the desire for revenge. The caller argues that hateful individuals thrive on violence and that responding with love could be revolutionary, though Art remains skeptical.

Art expresses fear of unintended consequences when using powerful emotions like love to influence global events. He admits that he might consider such actions only if a conventional war was about to turn nuclear, but he would do so with great hesitation.

A caller asks about the team involved in broadcasting the show, noting that guest hosts often mention their crews. Art explains that there are many people involved across different locations, including Medford, Oregon, New Jersey, and California, despite the show’s intimate setting with Art broadcasting from home.

Art continues his conversation with a caller, emphasizing that he indeed broadcasts from a converted bedroom studio in his house, handling all the technical aspects himself. Unlike other talk show hosts who have teams managing calls, commercials, and music, Art personally manages everything, including the control board and phone lines. He mentions that while he now has a team in Medford, Oregon, for pre-interviewing guests, he retains final approval on all guests.

The caller asks about dreams, noting that they used to have dreams that came true but recently stopped dreaming altogether. Art suggests two possibilities: either the future doesn’t hold significant events for the caller, or the caller is simply not burdened with dreams anymore. Art reflects that many people have dreams that come true, indicating it is a common experience.

Another caller from California expresses concerns about global warming and the financial fallout from the Enron scandal, which personally affected him. He mentions being approached by a European consortium with a proposed solution to global warming and hints at the historic significance of the project once completed.

A caller describes a proposed solution to generate electricity using a vacuum vortex in a 150-story structure with 51 vertical turbines. The process involves creating a vacuum at the top of the structure, allowing air to be sucked in and drive the turbines due to the pressure differential. Art is skeptical about whether the pressure difference at 1500 feet would be sufficient to generate significant energy, but he invites the caller to send more detailed information via email for further consideration.

A first-time caller mentions finding another radio station discussing Planet X, a hypothetical planet that could have catastrophic effects on Earth. Art acknowledges the topic and announces that Nancy Lieder from ZetaTalk will discuss Planet X on his show next week. He also previews upcoming guests, including Gordon-Michael Scallion, an intuitive with specific visions, and Colonel Edward Ball, who has created a biosphere for life creation experiments.

Another caller from near San Francisco references a song, “Merry Minuet” by the Kingston Trio, suggesting it as a response to any aggressive actions by Pakistan. Art discusses the potential for conflict between India and Pakistan, noting that India accuses Pakistan of allowing militants to infiltrate Kashmir, which could provoke military action. Art hints at the complexity of the situation and the involvement of various governments in such conflicts.

Another caller talks about a significant theft of 700 pounds of dynamite from a bunker on the California-Oregon border, expressing concern given the current climate of heightened security post-9/11. Art confirms awareness of the theft and the increased sensitivity to such events.

A truck driver named Andre shares a personal story about reincarnation. He recalls telling his mother at the age of four about a past life in the Civil War, describing details such as being shot and the horse he rode. He also remembers describing his mother’s journey from Germany on a boat, including specific details about the trip that left her and her friends astonished. Art finds the story fascinating and wonders how other parents might react to such revelations from their children.

Art discusses the anticipated high winds in his area before taking a call from a first-time caller who praises the previous night’s interview with Robert Gonzales. The caller shares his own experience of witnessing a massive, silent object hovering near Area 51 in March 2000. He describes the object as having a wingspan of approximately 750 feet and emphasizes the complete silence of the craft, which left a significant impression on him as a private pilot.

Art acknowledges the numerous sightings reported by people near Area 51 since the mid-1980s and advises listeners against attempting to penetrate the restricted area. He warns of the severe security measures in place, including ground sensors, helicopters, and security personnel, emphasizing that trespassers will not succeed and may face legal consequences.

Another caller, Brandy from East Tennessee, mentions trying the “insanity test” and finding it hilarious, suggesting it should be called the “sanity test” instead. They briefly discuss the humor and stress-relief aspect of the test.

Brandy then asks about the potential damage 700 pounds of dynamite could cause, referencing a recent incident involving low-level pipe bombs in mailboxes. Art confirms that 700 pounds of dynamite could cause extensive damage and describes it as a significant stock of mining dynamite.

A caller discusses how the tourism industry in the Smoky Mountains saw less impact after 9/11 compared to areas dependent on air travel, attributing this to most visitors driving instead of flying. Art agrees, noting that Las Vegas was significantly affected due to its reliance on air travelers. The caller speculates that people might be opting for road trips to avoid flying amidst fears of potential future attacks, thereby boosting local tourism.

Another caller suggests an idea for reducing nuclear weapons by replacing them with fuel-air bombs and anti-missile systems. Art is skeptical, questioning how such a proposal could be sold to countries like India and Pakistan, who are on the brink of conflict and possess nuclear capabilities. They discuss the potential lower destructive power of fuel-air bombs and the challenges in convincing nations to trade their nuclear arsenals for less potent alternatives. Art humorously suggests a nuclear weapon buyback plan, comparing it to gun buyback programs in cities, but acknowledges the complexity of such a proposal.

A first-time caller from Portland, Oregon, brings up HAARP (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) and mentions a TV show that discussed it, along with similar Russian technologies. Art explains the history of the Russian “Woodpecker” signal, an over-the-horizon radar system that interfered with shortwave radio frequencies, earning its nickname due to the sound it produced.

Art elaborates on the Russian “Woodpecker” radar, which was an over-the-horizon system designed to detect missiles and aircraft by bouncing powerful signals off the ionosphere. After the Cold War, the Russians discontinued it, moving on to more advanced technologies. Art expresses concern about HAARP, which aims to heat or even create holes in the ionosphere, noting the potential dangers of such experiments.

A caller from Akron, Ohio, mentions that his local astronomy club listens to Art’s show during their meetings. Art is honored by this information and thanks the caller.

Another caller shares a story about an encounter with a “shadow person” following an Indian sweat lodge ritual. He describes waking up to feel what he thought was his dog but then realizing it was something else. The figure, initially resembling his dog, transformed into a humanoid shape with goat-like features, including horns. The caller, trained in martial arts, reacted by striking the figure, which then disintegrated into a flickering energy field.

Art acknowledges the intense nature of the story and concludes the show, wishing listeners a great weekend and signing off from the high desert.