2002-07-05 – John Chambers – Father Ernetti’s Chronovisor

Show: Coast To Coast AM

Air Date: July 5, 2002

Guest(s): John Chambers

Topic(s): Father Ernetti's Chronovisor

Art begins the show with his signature greeting from the high desert in the American Southwest. He mentions that it’s a Friday night and promises a fun discussion about time travel. Art reflects on the recent Fourth of July celebration in his town, describing an impressive fireworks display. He then shifts to recent news, focusing on a shooting at LAX by an Egyptian immigrant, which he interprets as an act of terrorism. Art criticizes the handling of the incident and the media’s coverage, noting the lack of concrete information during news conferences. He also discusses significant stock market movements following the event.

Art transitions to severe weather in Texas, reporting on flooding that has forced many residents to evacuate. He touches on various news items, including a tragic plane crash in California that resulted in the deaths of the pilot, copilot, and two children on the ground. Art continues with more news stories, including a proposal by Russian space officials for a new ambitious project.

Art continues discussing an ambitious proposal by Russian space officials to send a six-person team to Mars by 2015. The project, estimated to cost $20 billion, would involve cooperation with NASA and the European Space Agency. However, NASA has not yet received a formal plan from the Russians, and human travel to Mars is not currently a priority for NASA. Art expresses excitement about the possibility of witnessing a manned mission to Mars within his lifetime.

He then shares an email he received about a bizarre creature that emerged from the bullet hole of a freshly killed tiger in Montana. The email describes the creature, which had a stinger and mouthparts but no visible eyes. The creature became highly active when placed in warm water, indicating it might have been inside another animal. Art has posted the email and photos of the creature on his website and invites listeners to identify it.

Art dives into his fascination with time travel. He shares a story about the Vatican allegedly hiding a time machine called the Chronovisor, built in the 1950s by Father Pellegrino Ernetti. Although no photos exist, paranormal journalist John Chambers claims Ernetti used the device to film Christ’s crucifixion. Ernetti, who died in 1997, collaborated with 12 anonymous physicists and purportedly recovered sound waves from the past, converting them into visual and acoustic reconstructions of historical events. Art describes how Ernetti’s theoretical approach was based on Aristotle’s concept of sound disintegration, suggesting that light and sound waves remain present indefinitely.

Ernetti claimed to have recovered images of the crucifixion and the original text of the Ten Commandments. He warned that the Chronovisor could produce universal tragedy, which is why it was suppressed by the Italian government. Art introduces John Chambers, who joins the show to discuss the Chronovisor and his book on Ernetti’s invention. Chambers, an English instructor and editor with a background in paranormal research, talks about the secrets the Vatican holds and the potential implications of such a device.

Art discusses the Vatican’s alleged possession of a time machine and introduces John Chambers, who shares his journey of discovering this story. Chambers attended a conference in 1997 where he learned about Father Ernetti and the Chronovisor. Fascinated by the topic, he pursued further research and eventually published a book on it. Ernetti, a Benedictine monk, was an expert in polyphonic and archaic music, as well as Gregorian chant. Despite his religious background, Ernetti had a profound understanding of physics, including quantum and subatomic physics, which he combined with his music knowledge.

Chambers explains that Ernetti’s expertise in ancient music might have given him insights into how sound and sight could be transmitted through time. Art and Chambers discuss the concept of altered states induced by music, suggesting that ancient music might have had a more profound impact than modern music. They explore how Ernetti’s technical knowledge and his collaboration with physicists might have led to the development of the Chronovisor. Art emphasizes the difficulty in dismissing Ernetti’s claims due to his substantial background and expertise.

Art and John Chambers continue their discussion on Father Ernetti and the Chronovisor. John elaborates on how he discovered Ernetti’s story through a conference and his subsequent decision to translate a book on the topic. He mentions another significant figure, Father François Brune, who knew Ernetti and vouched for his credibility. Brune, a French Jesuit priest and journalist, believed in Ernetti’s claims about the Chronovisor. Ernetti reportedly built the machine with help from renowned physicists like Werner von Braun and Enrico Fermi, though these collaborations sound improbable to many.

The Chronovisor is described as a device resembling a TV screen and earphones, using antennas to receive light and sound waves from the past. Art and John discuss the theoretical basis for the Chronovisor, comparing it to concepts like the Akashic Records and the preservation of sound and light waves in the environment. They touch on modern physics and metaphysics, suggesting that Ernetti’s machine might have combined ancient and modern technologies.

Despite skepticism, Ernetti’s substantial background in physics and music, along with his esoteric knowledge, makes it challenging to dismiss his claims outright.

John Chambers elaborates on Father Ernetti’s journey with the Chronovisor, highlighting that Ernetti stopped discussing the device in the last 10-15 years of his life, possibly due to instructions from the Vatican. The Chronovisor, unlike an HG Wells-type time machine, was said to bring past events into the present visually and audibly. Ernetti claimed to have viewed and photographed the crucifixion of Christ, though the authenticity of the photo was later questioned as it resembled a carved image from a small church in Italy. Ernetti explained this by suggesting the artist was inspired by mystical visions.

Art and Chambers discuss other historical events Ernetti claimed to have viewed, such as a play from 169 BC by Quintus Ennius, fragments of which were supposedly transcribed using the Chronovisor. Chambers obtained a fragment, which was translated by a Princeton professor and included in his book. Additionally, Ernetti allegedly used the Chronovisor to see a bank robbery in the near future and prevented it by alerting the police, reminiscent of themes in the movie “Minority Report.” Chambers expresses his belief that the Vatican might be withholding the Chronovisor due to its potential implications.

Art and John Chambers continue their discussion, speculating on why the Vatican might suppress a photograph of the crucifixion taken by the Chronovisor. They consider the possibility that revealing such evidence would require disclosing the method used to obtain it, potentially undermining the Vatican’s authority by exposing historical inaccuracies in its teachings. Chambers suggests that Father Ernetti might have feared that misuse of the Chronovisor could lead to catastrophic consequences if it fell into the wrong hands.

The conversation shifts to the implications of time travel, particularly how looking into the future could be used to influence world events. They touch upon the idea that current events might have been engineered from the future. Art mentions a call from Richard Hoagland, who linked von Braun’s work with the French on anti-gravity technology to the plausibility of his involvement in the Chronovisor project.

Chambers discusses the controversy over the authenticity of a fragment from a lost Roman play, allegedly retrieved by Ernetti. A Princeton classics professor questioned its genuineness, suggesting Ernetti could have fabricated it. Despite this, Chambers emphasizes Ernetti’s credibility, given his extensive knowledge in both religious and scientific fields. The conversation leaves the authenticity of Ernetti’s claims open to interpretation, with Father François Brune defending Ernetti’s integrity in his latest book.

Art and John Chambers delve into the complexities surrounding Father Ernetti and the Chronovisor. John explains that Father François Brune, an excellent Latin scholar, believed Ernetti could not have fabricated the complex fragment attributed to him. They discuss the role of faith in religion and how having actual proof of the crucifixion might undermine faith, which is central to Catholicism. Art and John consider whether the Vatican might suppress evidence like the Chronovisor’s photograph of the crucifixion to avoid revealing historical inaccuracies or challenging the necessity of faith.

Ernetti’s claim of having recovered the original text of the Ten Commandments is mentioned, though this is not a focus in John’s book. They discuss the implications of using the Chronovisor to prevent events, such as a bank robbery, and how altering the future might cause paradoxes similar to those associated with changing the past. John emphasizes the potential dangers of time travel, suggesting that even if Ernetti’s claims are true, the risks might justify the Vatican’s suppression of the Chronovisor.

John notes that Ernetti collaborated with twelve physicists, though many denied involvement or avoided the topic. The conversation touches on rumors and speculations about the Chronovisor, with John acknowledging the difficulty in dismissing Ernetti’s claims due to his credibility and the enigmatic nature of the story.

Art and John Chambers continue their conversation, speculating on what other historical events might have been viewed using the Chronovisor, like Adam and Eve or the creation itself. John mentions that Father Ernetti reportedly watched Cicero give an oration and heard Mussolini speak. They also discuss the availability of John’s book, “Father Ernetti’s Chronovisor: The Creation and Disappearance of the World’s First Time Machine,” on Amazon and the New Paradigm Books website.

Art reflects on the implications of time travel, considering how altering future events could have significant consequences. They discuss the skepticism and doubts raised in John’s book, contrasting with Father Brune’s firm belief that the Catholic Church is suppressing information for a good reason. John emphasizes the mystery surrounding Ernetti’s claims and the potential dangers of such technology falling into the wrong hands.

The conversation shifts to Art reminiscing about the story of “Madman” Markham, a man who disappeared after attempting a time travel experiment with a homemade machine. Art also mentions Dr. David Anderson, a credible scientist involved in time travel research, who has similarly vanished. Art invites listeners to share their own experiences with time travel and discusses the possibility of time travelers existing among us, whether physically or through devices like the Chronovisor.

A caller named Marianne from Syracuse, New York, discusses a story about a man found crushed to death in a tube in the 1930s. The clothing on the body was unrecognizable for the time, and a photo revealed a mysterious object that looked like a cell phone. Art connects this to “Madman” Marcrum, who disappeared after attempting a time travel experiment. Another caller talks about seeing shadow people more frequently after installing digital cable, suggesting that high-frequency monitors might be training our brains to perceive new frequency spectrums, possibly allowing us to see new dimensions or creatures.

A caller from Ithaca, New York, mentions a camera of past events described in the book “Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East” by Baird Spalding. The book claims that Spalding, along with Steinmetz and Edison, worked on a device capable of viewing past events, similar to the Chronovisor. They reportedly could see events from up to a million years ago. Specific events mentioned include George Washington’s inaugural address and the Sermon on the Mount. Art asks the caller what event they would want to see if they had access to such a device, highlighting the intriguing possibilities of viewing historical moments.

Art continues discussing the possibility of time travel with callers. One caller, Marianne, suggests a theory involving synchronicity, where multiple stories about time travel technology emerge simultaneously. Art speculates that the ability to look into the past or future might be well-established but hidden for good reasons. He expresses his own deep compulsion to explore time travel, despite the risks involved.

Another caller from Hawaii, now in Nevada, offers a different perspective, suggesting that time might be a human invention and not a fundamental aspect of the universe. This aligns with cutting-edge physics theories that see the universe as a space-place continuum. The caller also hints at seeing time travelers and mentions a concept called “mirror virgin crystal,” relating to ancient sorcerer kings of Gaul and crystallography.

Intrigued, Art asks the caller how they know time travel is real. The caller claims personal experience with time travel, suggesting that it requires significant discipline and is an inherent ability within humans. They imply that this ability can be developed through mental training rather than relying on mechanical devices.

Art engages with a caller who describes their experience of what they consider time travel, but it sounds more like an out-of-body experience involving sound vibrations and feelings of joy. Art then fields a call from John in Boulder, who asks what event Art would want to see if he had access to the Chronovisor. Art answers that he would like to see the moment of creation itself.

John shares his own experience of teaching people a method similar to remote viewing, which allows them to see events in time or space. He notes that, unlike the Chronovisor, this method is a mental discipline and can’t produce physical pictures. John recounts a session where one of his students saw alien beings constructing the pyramids using large magnetic bars, a story that Art finds fascinating but acknowledges would be met with skepticism by conventional archaeologists.

Art humorously warns that such stories would not be well-received by Egyptian authorities, who firmly attribute the construction of the pyramids to the Egyptians. The segment ends with another caller from Richmond, Virginia, who begins to share an unusual experience they had at Walmart, highlighting the unexpected places where remarkable events can occur.

Art continues speaking with a caller who recounts witnessing an exact sequence of events repeating itself at Walmart. The caller saw a woman and her daughter walk in, and the daughter stretched her arms in a specific manner. Moments later, the same sequence occurred again. Art finds this intriguing and suggests it might have been a small slip in time. The caller mentions a similar experience in front of their house where a neighbor’s car appeared to pull into the driveway twice in quick succession. Art ponders whether these are personal perceptions of time anomalies or effects produced by an external force, emphasizing the mystery surrounding the nature of time.

Another caller from the high desert, listening on KFI in Los Angeles, shares insights from Tom Brown’s books, mentioning that Brown was trained by a shaman named Stalking Wolf. The caller suggests that metaphysical means, such as shamanistic practices, can also enable time travel or viewing past events, emphasizing that both physical and metaphysical methods might be valid.

Art acknowledges this perspective but reiterates his inclination towards physical machines due to his background in electronics. He remains open to both possibilities, reflecting on the potential of different methods to explore the mysteries of time.

Art continues his discussion with a caller who shares an incident from Tom Brown’s book. Brown, who was trained by a shaman named Stalking Wolf, had an experience where he perceived an ancient Indian tribe walking along a trail and recognized an artifact being used by a young girl. Brown realized the artifact was a berry masher. The caller emphasizes that Brown’s teachings include becoming one with the earth and accessing the spirit world, which aligns with traditional Native American culture. Art expresses interest in possibly interviewing Brown and acknowledges the potential intersection of metaphysical experiences and scientific understanding.

Art speculates that the ability to travel through time or dimensions might eventually be explained by a convergence of metaphysical practices and scientific advancements. He believes that both paths could lead to a better understanding of these phenomena.

A new caller, David from Lafayette, Louisiana, brings up a previous guest, Nick Begich, who investigated his father’s plane crash and discovered an FBI intelligence report suggesting survivors were tracked by new technology. David notes the crash occurred in Alaska, where the HAARP project operates, and questions if there is a connection. Art finds the idea intriguing and acknowledges the mysteries surrounding time and technology will continue to haunt him.

One caller suggests using remote viewing to locate a lost family heirloom, a cane that belonged to Art’s family and was inscribed with the names of his ancestors. Art finds the idea fascinating and calls on remote viewers to take on the challenge, describing the cane and its significance in detail.

Another caller from Chicago shares an unusual experience of waking up to a violently shaking bed, which only happens when he is alone. He recounts how the bed shakes enough to make the headboard hit the wall. Art and the caller discuss the possibility of being transported to a different place or time and consider whether deja vu might be a form of time travel, where one re-experiences moments from a previous life.

A caller named Jeremy from Texas mentions a creature he saw on a show, which Art has also posted about on his website. Jeremy identifies the creature as a parasite known to get on wolves, suggesting that the mysterious entity might be more mundane than initially thought.

Art talks with a caller from Alberta who discusses time travel and mentions HG Wells’ “The Time Machine.” They consider whether such a machine could be possible. Art explains that modern theoretical physicists believe time travel might be possible but requires an amount of energy that humanity currently cannot produce. He highlights the shift from mainstream science mocking time travel to acknowledging its potential feasibility.

Another caller from Winter Garden, Florida, named Gilbert, shares a personal experience from his childhood. He recalls how he used to sense time speeding up, similar to watching a video on fast forward. He describes how his perception of time would accelerate, making everything around him appear to move quickly. Gilbert mentions his father trained him to count seconds accurately, which makes his perception of time speeding up even more confusing.

Art engages with Gilbert, trying to understand the nature of his experience. They discuss how this altered perception of time might have felt and what it could mean, considering both scientific and metaphysical explanations.

Art continues speaking with Gilbert, who explains that he would feel a tingling, almost feverish sensation before experiencing time speeding up. He describes how his watch would show time moving faster than it actually was, with 15 seconds appearing to pass in a minute. This phenomenon happened two or three times a week and often preceded migraines. Gilbert stopped experiencing these episodes around the age of 12 or 13 and expresses relief, suggesting that he might have struggled to cope with it in today’s fast-paced world.

Gilbert also mentions recurring dreams of a future world war taking place in the United States, a vision that disturbs him. Art acknowledges the sincerity in Gilbert’s account, noting how he seemed genuinely affected by his experiences.

Next, a caller from Whittier, California, shares a different perspective on time travel. They describe an incident where hearing a song from their teenage years caused a vivid flashback. The caller felt as though they were physically transported back to their bedroom as a 14-year-old, with all sensory details intact. They suggest that these intense flashbacks might be connected to a lifelong sensitivity to spiritual phenomena. Art relates to the caller, mentioning that sound can have a powerful effect on memory and perception.

Art discusses the powerful effect of music on memory, explaining that certain songs can trigger vivid flashbacks, taking him mentally to different times and places. He acknowledges that while music has never made his current reality disappear, it has brought back strong memories.

A caller from Kansas comments on the recent crop circle, suggesting it looks like the sun with flares, connecting it to the recent solar activity. The caller mentions a marketing campaign by Disney for the movie “Signs,” which reportedly involves creating crop circles. Art responds that while Disney’s marketing could involve crop circles, the phenomenon predates the movie and remains a genuine mystery.

Another caller, Robert from New Jersey, makes a bold claim about having seen and worked on physical time machines. He asserts that these machines are based on Nikola Tesla’s theories and mentions the Philadelphia Experiment, originally an attempt to make a US Navy ship invisible, which reportedly had time travel side effects. Robert suggests that the Nazis and Soviets also experimented with time travel during and after World War II. Art expresses skepticism but is intrigued by Robert’s confidence and firsthand account.

Art continues his conversation with Robert from New Jersey, who claims to have seen and worked on physical time machines. Robert asserts that these machines are based on Nikola Tesla’s theories and references the Philadelphia Experiment. He explains that when people travel through these portals, they often do not return, and the destination in time can be off by days, weeks, or even years.

Robert describes time as an eternal present, flowing forward and backward simultaneously. He mentions that while small changes can be made, major events cannot be altered due to universal laws. He touches on the concept of sacred geometry and mentions that time travel is possible up to 2.5 million years into the past and up to the year 2012, beyond which lies a temporal wall. This aligns with the end of the Mayan calendar and predictions by various spiritual figures.

Robert elaborates on a cataclysm that occurred 2.5 million years ago and suggests another significant event in 2012, which he believes will be positive, marking a transition into the fourth dimension where time as we know it ceases to exist.

Following this conversation, a caller from Kent, Washington, named Deborah, shares an unusual experience. She describes seeing white and black feathers falling from the sky during her lunch break at work. The feathers continued to fall for 15 to 20 minutes, and she and her friend could not identify a source, as there were no nearby trees or other possible explanations.

Art continues discussing the unusual occurrence of feathers with Deborah from Kent, Washington, who observed white and black feathers falling from the sky with no apparent source. Art mentions receiving numerous reports of birds dying across the West, which he finds deeply concerning. Deborah describes how the feathers fell for about 15 to 20 minutes, with no blood or other signs of distress among the birds. Art acknowledges the oddity and potential significance of these events, expressing his unease and intent to investigate further.

Another caller from Georgia shares a perplexing experience from six years ago. He recounts his daily routine of returning home from work, but one morning, his wife was frightened and told him he had already come home 30 minutes earlier. She had heard him enter the house and place his lunch container on the counter, but he was nowhere to be found when she looked for him. This experience left both of them puzzled, suggesting a possible time anomaly or doppelgänger event.

Art continues with calls from listeners sharing their extraordinary experiences. A caller recounts a strange event where his wife, while out with friends, reportedly called his name from the other side of the house. His daughters also heard it, despite his wife not being home. When he later asked his wife about it, she revealed they had been discussing spiritual connections and thinking about their loved ones at that exact time. Art and the caller agree that there’s much more to our reality than we understand.

Art reflects on how many topics discussed on his show, initially dismissed as crazy, later turn out to have a basis in reality. He emphasizes the importance of exploring these unconventional topics despite skepticism.

Next, Tim from Illinois calls to discuss the Chronovisor, noting that it could see into both the past and the future, making it the ultimate surveillance tool. Tim and Art ponder why, if such a device existed, it couldn’t have prevented events like 9/11. They discuss the potential dangers and ethical concerns of such a device, referencing Father Ernetti’s warning that it could cause “universal tragedy.” They mention Terence McKenna’s theories about 2012, suggesting that significant changes might occur, aligning with Ernetti’s warnings.

A caller from the East of the Rockies shares his experience with a vortex. While walking his dog along railroad tracks at dusk, he noticed a strange jelly-like substance in the air. This phenomenon piques Art’s interest, hinting at more unexplained events and anomalies.

Art continues the discussion with the caller who saw a jelly-like substance in the air, describing it as a circular motion of large, silent insects going into the ground. The caller relates this to a previous guest who spoke about vortexes and time travel. Art admits he doesn’t remember the specific program but finds the concept intriguing.

Another caller, Doug from Calgary, Alberta, proposes a theory about nature’s continuous waves, such as sound and light. He explains how overlapping light waves can increase brightness or form dark spots when passed through a prism. Doug suggests that time might also be a wave, and if a counter wave could be discovered, it might allow for movement back and forth across time. Art appreciates the theory but notes that the show is ending and invites Doug to wish the audience a good night.