Art Bell greets the audience with his signature opening from the high desert and mentions filling in for George Noory, who is on vacation. He briefly discusses recent news, including a US soldier shot in Baghdad, the death of an 11-year-old boy, and the ongoing cycle of violence in Iraq. Art then shifts to a lighter topic, noting the public’s enthusiastic response to the new national “Do Not Call” registry aimed at reducing telemarketing calls. He also reports on 11 men charged with joining a Muslim extremist group and three teens accused of starting wildfires in Albuquerque.
Art reflects on the persistent mysteries of crop circles and animal mutilations, emphasizing that no one has ever been caught or prosecuted for these phenomena. He introduces Linda Moulton Howe, a science reporter and investigator of high strangeness, who will discuss anomalous photographs and crop formations. Linda shares her observations, noting an increase in crop formations in various countries and the mysterious nature of these events.
Linda Moulton Howe discusses the mysterious crop formations in Italy and other countries, emphasizing the lack of tracks and forensic evidence, which makes these formations unlikely to be hoaxes. She highlights the unique characteristics of these formations, including their intricate patterns and the thick carpets of wheat in which they appear without any visible tracks. Linda also mentions an extraordinary sphere of light with a beam seen in Montenegro, Italy, which adds to the mystery. She provides an overview of crop formations in the United States, including Missouri, Arkansas, and Maryland, and the challenges in obtaining aerial photographs due to bad weather and other factors.
Linda notes the first fractal crop formation in the United States in Noble, Arkansas, and hints at discussing this further later. She also mentions new crop formations in Holland, Switzerland, Poland, France, Australia, and Belgium, drawing comparisons to a significant formation in Cambridge, England, from 2001. The discussion includes the mathematical differences in these formations and the strange humming sounds heard by locals before their discovery.
Linda transitions to the extraordinary photograph taken in Montenegro, Italy, where three teenage boys witnessed a sphere of light sending a beam into a field. This sighting was captured using a new cell phone with a built-in camera, adding a visual element to the mystery. The boys were astonished by the sight, further deepening the intrigue surrounding these crop formations.
Adriano Forgione, the editor of a magazine in Rome, verified the authenticity of a photograph taken by a young man in Monte Carlo, Italy, showing a sphere of light emitting a beam. This image, which cannot be easily faked, was captured using a cell phone. The next morning, three crop circles were discovered in the area. This phenomenon of light beams and subsequent crop formations has been reported worldwide, including in England and Germany, often accompanied by military jets’ responses.
Linda Moulton Howe elaborates on the connection between these beams of light and crop circles, noting that military or police often respond to these sightings. She discusses the hypothesis that the energy behind these formations might be a spinning plasma vortex containing microwave energies, which could be detectable and trigger a military response. Andreas Mueller, who produces the International Crop Circle Archive, shared an account from Germany where an eyewitness saw orange beams of light emerging from the ground, followed by the appearance of a crop formation in the same area the next day.
These lights, referred to as plasmas in some countries, are a recurring element in crop circle reports. The German eyewitness described the light as orange and resembling car headlights beaming into the sky, yet no cars or other sources were found in the rural area. This phenomenon closely matches a 1997 sighting in Germany, reinforcing the mysterious nature of these events.
Linda explains that despite the complexities and mysterious lights associated with crop formations, there is no definitive answer to their meaning. She notes that these formations have been reported since around 1990 and suggests they might be linked to geopolitical or environmental situations. Linda highlights the recent Belgium formation, which resembles the Gog Magog Hills formation from 2001, and discusses its potential connection to significant global events, such as the September 11 attacks.
Art and Linda delve into the possibility that consciousness might influence the appearance of crop circles, with some people claiming to have meditated on specific patterns only to see similar formations appear in fields. Linda connects the Gog Magog formation to historical and biblical references to war, particularly in the Middle East, and speculates whether the recent formation could be anticipating another major world event. She also mentions the late Gerald Hawkins, an astronomer and mathematician who studied the geometries of crop circles and concluded that they represented an intellectual profile beyond normal human understanding, hinting at a deeper, unknown source behind these phenomena.
Linda Moulton Howe continues discussing the mysterious crop formations and the potential involvement of another dimension or frequency. These formations might be a mathematical language related to future events, possibly trying to avert destructive outcomes. She introduces Andy Thomas, who shares an incident in Sussex where children saw a bright light over a field the night before a crop formation appeared. Similar sightings of lights have been reported, including a 1925 account where lights formed a cluster and shot into the air, leaving a formation in the field.
Andy recounts another instance from 1996 where a skeptical farmer saw bowls of light hovering over his fields. Such sightings are often not publicly discussed due to fear of ridicule or the eerie nature of the lights and sounds. Linda then transitions to Belgium, sharing her conversation with researcher Chris Oosterlink, who investigated a recent formation. The farmer who owned the field noted the crop was laid neatly and perfectly, and neighbors reported hearing a continuous, mechanical humming sound the night before. This sound frightened them so much that they didn’t leave their houses, missing the chance to see what caused the crop circle.
The mechanical humming sound reported by neighbors near the crop formation in Belgium was so loud that it frightened them, even though they were a kilometer away. This raises the question of why such sounds are not reported at every crop formation. Art Bell suggests that perhaps our own consciousnesses might be manipulating a force we don’t fully understand, like zero-point energy, especially when many minds concentrate on a particular subject. Linda agrees, noting the fear people have towards crop formations due to their mysterious nature.
Linda then introduces Todd Young, an American farmer who discovered a fractal crop formation in his field. Initially skeptical, Todd was disturbed by the number of people wanting to see the formation and eventually cut it out. He described the formation as eerie, noting that it felt strange to see something in his field that didn’t belong. He detailed the formation’s structure, including a 47-foot wide central circle with three arms of smaller circles radiating from it.
Todd inspected the formation and found no evidence of tracks or disturbances, which added to the mystery. Linda emphasizes the beauty and complexity of the formation, which is unusual for the United States. She encourages listeners to visit her website, Earthfiles.com, to see photographs and reports, and to contact her with any similar occurrences in their area.
Art Bell wraps up his conversation with Linda Moulton Howe, expressing his gratitude for her insights and hinting at future discussions. He then transitions to the next segment with John Hutchison, a Canadian scientist known for his work with zero-point energy and the Hutchison Effect. Art introduces Hutchison, highlighting his discovery of an anomalous electromagnetic field that causes phenomena such as the jellyfish-like distortion of metals and the spontaneous levitation of objects.
Hutchison describes the Hutchison Effect as the levitation of various objects, including water and metals, at a distance from the source of the electromagnetic fields. He mentions that the heaviest object he has lifted was a 1,500-pound transformer, which is difficult for many to believe. Hutchison explains that this effect involves a complex interaction of electromagnetic fields, including Tesla coils, RF generators, and electrostatic equipment, arranged in a specific geometric pattern.
Art draws a parallel between Hutchison’s work and the infamous Philadelphia Experiment, noting the similarities in the use of rotating RF fields and large electromagnets. Hutchison acknowledges the complexity and randomness of his experiments, noting that while they often fail, the successful instances are significant and intriguing. He credits his early exposure to the scientific community and his collaboration with credible figures like Lieutenant Colonel John B. Alexander for his progress in this field.
Art Bell delves deeper into understanding John Hutchison’s experiments, seeking clarity on the technical aspects and equipment used. Hutchison explains that he uses a combination of Tesla coils, RF generators, and electrostatic fields. He describes an experimental setup where a 450 kHz RF signal is partially bled into a dummy load, while a high-Q Tesla coil energizes the area with a high electrostatic field guided by weak magnetic fields.
Art tries to grasp why a dummy load is used if the goal is to radiate energy, and Hutchison clarifies that it was due to the equipment available at the time, aiming to minimize RF output while still creating the desired effects. Hutchison mentions using external modulation inputs and spark gaps to change frequencies, evolving his setup to include vacuum tube Tesla coils that produce significant energy without sparking.
Hutchison recounts an accidental discovery where he observed objects levitating while experimenting with his setup in a darkened room. Initially, he was merely exploring the lighting effects of Tesla machinery. One night, he heard crashing sounds and found objects like a Bakelite block levitating. This serendipitous event marked the beginning of the Hutchison Effect.
Hutchison humorously shares how his experiments caused his landlady’s house to vibrate and lights to shine out of windows, alarming neighbors. His activities caught the attention of George and Alissa from Los Alamos, who documented his work through photographs and films. Hutchison notes that the sight of floating objects, including a pistol, led to further interest and even a raid in 2002 during a film production.
John Hutchison explains that his initial discovery of object levitation was accidental. He describes how his equipment, including Tesla coils and RF generators, began to move objects in the room when operated in the dark. His landlord’s son would throw bits of paper into the field generated by the equipment, which would then be thrown back, indicating the presence of a powerful force.
Art Bell seeks to understand the specifics of the energy involved, to which Hutchison responds that the primary energy used is about 400 watts at 110 volts. This configuration was even demonstrated on Canadian news in 1985, proving the phenomenon’s legitimacy. Hutchison details how he faced skepticism but provided documentation to validate his experiments, resulting in serious interest from institutions like McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Corporation and the Canadian government, which classified his work as a matter of national security.
Despite the successes, Hutchison acknowledges the difficulty in achieving repeatability. He notes that the experiments had higher success rates in the late 80s when he was more attuned to his equipment and performed frequent modifications and upgrades. Environmental factors such as humidity and temperature significantly affect the results, as the experiments are conducted in open-air conditions rather than controlled environments.
Hutchison discusses the challenges of consistency, explaining that while he mostly adjusts equipment during experiments, others document the effects. He relies on measurements and military surplus equipment to monitor success rates. However, variations in environmental conditions and the complexity of the setup contribute to the difficulty in achieving consistent results.
John Hutchison recounts how his lab was seized by the Canadian government when he was invited to Europe by Dr. Peter Cushing, a renowned Austrian scientist. The government aimed to keep his work secret, which made front-page news in the Vancouver Sun. Despite this, Hutchison managed to get half of his lab equipment back upon his return from Europe. The seized items included Tesla machinery and high-voltage equipment, highlighting the government’s interest in such technologies.
Art Bell suggests that the government’s secrecy might be due to the potential applications of old technologies, possibly for programs like Star Wars. Hutchison agrees, noting that some secrets from past technologies remain valuable. He explains how a hermit living under a bridge in Vancouver leaked the story to the press, leading to media coverage and public awareness.
Hutchison describes the phenomenon of “jellyfish” metal, an effect observed in his experiments. Using similar processes to those causing levitation, he notes that metal samples, such as stainless steel bars, become rubbery and begin to move like a snake. This transformation is visible on videotape and has been analyzed by researchers, revealing transparent sections in the metal pieces.
Art expresses curiosity about how critics might respond to such extraordinary claims, given that Hutchison has documented evidence. Hutchison acknowledges that the videos and physical samples provide strong support for his findings, challenging skeptics to explain these anomalies. The conversation delves into the mysterious and potentially groundbreaking nature of Hutchison’s discoveries.
John Hutchison discusses the analysis of his experiments by Colonel John Alexander, who had the old super 8 millimeter films examined at Los Alamos, confirming they were not faked. This thorough examination underscores the legitimacy of Hutchison’s claims. Hutchison mentions that his experiments, which include turning metal into a jelly-like state and levitation, have significant military applications. He recalls experiencing strange effects on time, such as seeing multicolored rainbows in his room and objects disappearing and reappearing, which were also captured on film.
Art Bell probes the relationship between these phenomena and time manipulation, leading Hutchison to reflect on samples disappearing and reappearing, akin to teleportation. Hutchison reveals he refused a military contract in the 1980s that would have restricted his freedom to demonstrate his work publicly. Instead, he collaborated with Boeing Aerospace, but was eventually pushed out of his own company, leading him to work with German and Austrian teams.
Hutchison recounts how his lab was seized despite court orders, a move he learned about through the news while in Germany. He suspects that the government aims to keep such technologies secret due to their vast potential for military and national security applications. Hutchison references Nick Cook’s book “The Hunt for Zero Point,” which explores advanced technologies and includes a detailed section on Hutchison’s work, highlighting its significance and the interest it has garnered from entities like Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works.
This discussion illustrates the challenges and controversies surrounding Hutchison’s discoveries, their potential implications, and the government’s efforts to control such groundbreaking technologies.
John Hutchison shares his experiences and discoveries, revealing that his work has attracted significant attention and scrutiny. Hutchison talks about how he has been featured in Nick Cook’s book “The Hunt for Zero Point,” where Cook, the chief aviation editor for Jane’s Defence Weekly, uncovered numerous details about Hutchison’s work that even Hutchison himself was unaware of.
Hutchison explains his decision to walk away from lucrative contracts with the government and military, valuing his freedom to discuss and demonstrate his research over the financial benefits. Despite these setbacks, he continues to explore practical applications of his discoveries, particularly focusing on zero-point energy cells. These cells, he explains, can harness zero-point energy, an elusive and not fully understood energy that exists all around us.
In 1994, Hutchison demonstrated small power cells in Japan, which could generate about one volt to drive small motors. He describes his method involving micro Casimir plates of metal, which, when charged, produce more energy than initially given. By mixing electrically active metals and minerals with water, boiling out the hydrous components, and charging the mixture with high voltage, Hutchison was able to create these energy cells.
These cells, tested by institutions like the Max Planck Institute in Germany, can produce a small but indefinite amount of voltage. Hutchison notes that the energy output is not very high, and the current capability is weak. However, these cells have a fast rise time, recharging within one to two seconds after being shorted out. This phenomenon remains largely unexplained, adding to the intrigue and potential of Hutchison’s work.
Hutchison’s journey illustrates the challenges and controversies of pioneering unconventional technologies, balancing scientific curiosity with the desire for practical applications.
John Hutchison discusses further insights into his energy scavenging technology, explaining that similar self-reactive materials, like barium titanate, have been known and utilized in the past. He mentions finding surplus capacitors made with this material that continuously produce voltage, illustrating that some of his new discoveries are actually rediscoveries of old technologies.
Art Bell emphasizes the skepticism that typically surrounds claims of energy-generating devices, noting that many such claims have been met with doubt. However, Hutchison’s work, including levitating objects and creating power cells that continuously generate voltage, stands out due to the documented evidence and third-party verifications by institutions like Los Alamos and other scientific teams.
Art shares his own experience with anomalous energy from a large antenna setup, which seems to generate around 400 volts with AC and DC components. This unexplained energy leads him to ask Hutchison about potential sources. Hutchison suggests that the energy might be coming from what the old-timers called the ether, a concept from early physics referring to a medium through which electromagnetic waves propagate.
They discuss how even simple setups, like a wire connected to a tree, can generate voltage due to sky and ground waves, a trick known in the ham radio community. Art and Hutchison speculate on various sources of this energy, considering possibilities like geomagnetic field currents. Hutchison notes that such phenomena, though often regarded as nuisances by engineers, hold significant potential for further exploration and understanding of alternative energy sources.
John Hutchison continues discussing his discoveries and the government interest in his work. He notes that despite the skepticism, the Canadian government took his lab equipment seriously enough to seize it. Art Bell expresses amazement that Hutchison hasn’t faced more severe consequences, given the potential military applications of his discoveries.
Hutchison recounts interactions with government officials and legal troubles, including threats of arrest and charges related to PCB contamination in transformers. He also mentions an incident where a gram of radium was supposedly found in his shipping container, which he claims was a fabrication by those opposing his work.
Hutchison discusses how rumors and misinformation led to increased scrutiny and actions against him. Despite these challenges, he continued his work with international collaborators, particularly in Germany and Austria, where scientists were more open to exploring zero-point energy and quantum fluctuations. He describes an Austrian scientist’s setup involving heavy grounding and specialized rooms to detect what were called ether oscillations, or zero-point energy.
John Hutchison continues discussing the phenomena observed in his experiments. He details the setup of an Austrian scientist who measured oscillations between two metal balls at around 450 MHz, the same frequency used in the Philadelphia Experiment. Art Bell notes the significance of this frequency, connecting it to various high-energy experiments and potential implications for zero-point energy.
They discuss how these experiments, similar to those conducted by HAARP, involve manipulating harmonic frequencies and modulation, which can produce various effects. Hutchison mentions how some ham radio operators were involved in experiments with HAARP, attempting to communicate globally by reversing the polarity of the ionosphere.
Hutchison then lists the diverse range of objects he has levitated, including cannonballs, water, ice cream, and even frozen apple juice. He describes two types of levitation: ballistic, where objects accelerate and shoot across the room, and hovering, where objects float in mid-air. He notes that while earlier experiments were more unpredictable, later experiments were more controlled, with objects levitating within a designated test area.
Art probes further into the mechanics of the levitation, asking if Hutchison can control the outcomes. Hutchison explains that although the process can be somewhat unpredictable, he achieved a degree of control in later years. He recounts an instance where nails floated through walls, a phenomenon documented by a friend.
Hutchison also touches on the potential dangers of his experiments, drawing parallels to the Philadelphia Experiment, where men allegedly became fused with a ship’s metal deck. He mentions that some of his samples were analyzed by the Max Planck Institute, providing scientific validation for his claims.
John Hutchison continues detailing the effects observed in his experiments, describing how objects, including wood and metals, have been found fused together in ways that defy conventional understanding. He mentions that blocks of wood were found inside machined aluminum and other metals, an occurrence documented and analyzed by Siemens Labs. These materials often exhibited transmuted alloys not found on Earth.
Art Bell probes further into the condition of the materials after Hutchison’s experiments. Hutchison explains that the metals do not return to their original shape after the experiments stop. Instead, they remain in their last altered state, often appearing as a conglomeration of materials. He shares that samples tested by the Ontario group and Colonel Alexander revealed trace elements not found on Earth, findings corroborated by the Max Planck Institute.
Hutchison mentions that George Hathaway is compiling this documented evidence into a book, which will be important for understanding these phenomena. Art Bell emphasizes the significance of these findings, suggesting that while they may seem incredible, the Canadian government’s interest indicates there might be something substantial behind Hutchison’s claims.
The conversation shifts to discussing zero-point energy batteries, which Hutchison claims can be produced using a simple method he calls the “shake and bake” method. He explains that common minerals like galena, once used in radio receivers, can be ground into fine dust and mixed with salts to create a power supply. While Hutchison holds back some details for proprietary reasons, he hints at the potential of this technology to produce significant voltage.
Art Bell reflects on the future implications of such discoveries, suggesting that when conventional energy sources run out, these alternative technologies could become crucial.
John Hutchison continues discussing the potential applications of his zero-point energy technology, noting that although he has received some significant funding from Japan and Germany, he has not yet achieved a major financial breakthrough. He envisions marketing a practical application of his technology as a toy, possibly something akin to a tricorder from “Star Trek” that can measure various environmental energies and display them on a liquid crystal display.
Hutchison explains that this toy could monitor a range of energies, including biological, geomagnetic, and gravimetric fluctuations. He recalls a person who allegedly used a similar device for oil detection, becoming a multimillionaire. However, Hutchison is cautious about naming individuals to avoid legal issues.
Art Bell notes that innovators like Hutchison often face resistance from governments and industries that may see their work as a threat. Hutchison plans to make and manufacture the toy, but he needs a friendly investor to proceed. He mentions past attempts to engage with the military for funding, specifically for an energy scavenging cell, but these efforts have not been successful.
Hutchison also talks about his experiments with levitating objects, including a toy plastic flying saucer using high voltage. He mentions filming these experiments with Griffin Film Productions and an upcoming airing. He recounts incidents with landlords and police due to his unconventional experiments, including a raid by Canadian police in March 2000, which made headlines and was documented in an article.
John Hutchison recounts an incident where he was raided by Canadian police during a demonstration for Fox TV. The police were alerted by someone reporting firearms in his possession, which were historical items like flintlock rifles and American Civil War artifacts. The raid involved a full SWAT team and photographers, which Hutchison found surprising and disruptive.
Art Bell expresses skepticism about Hutchison’s possession of a 20-millimeter anti-aircraft gun, suggesting that such items could understandably make authorities nervous. Hutchison explains his background in working on Navy ships and his interest in historical armaments, which led to his collection of various military items.
The conversation shifts to Hutchison’s involvement in a project to replicate the Ark of the Covenant for a TV show. Hutchison confirms that his role is to recreate the energy aspect of the Ark using old technologies, such as Egyptian batteries and other ancient methods. Art raises concerns about the potential dangers, both physical and psychic, of replicating such a powerful and historically significant artifact.
Hutchison acknowledges the need for respect and caution, noting that he has sought advice from experts like Colonel John Alexander. The project aims to take the recreated Ark to Mount Sinai, which adds political and religious implications. Despite the risks, Hutchison expresses his willingness to participate, emphasizing his respect for all belief systems and his humanitarian approach.
Art highlights the potential for negative consequences, including unleashing unknown energies or political backlash. Hutchison mentions that many people have advised him against the project due to its sensitive nature.
John Hutchison reflects on the challenges of monetizing his discoveries, emphasizing his reluctance to lose control over his work. Art Bell advises that Hutchison might need a business manager to help navigate the business side of his ventures, given that technical talents often don’t align with business skills. Hutchison acknowledges this, noting that he has turned away many investors due to control issues.
Despite his groundbreaking work, Hutchison enjoys simple pleasures and avoids being confined to a traditional work schedule. He mentions his sociable nature, attending lectures and engaging in engineering projects like restoring old ham radio equipment or building cannons. This blend of interests sometimes distracts him from focusing solely on his research.
Art highlights the need for Hutchison to find a way to make his work financially sustainable, given its potential. Hutchison agrees but remains cautious about partnerships that might limit his freedom. Art then proposes opening the phone lines for listeners to ask Hutchison questions, anticipating an interesting session given Hutchison’s extraordinary claims.
As they prepare to take calls, Art reiterates the significance of Hutchison’s work, suggesting that listeners must decide whether Hutchison is a visionary or if his claims are too fantastical to believe. Despite the skepticism, Art acknowledges that Hutchison’s documented experiments and personal experiences make it difficult to dismiss his work outright.
John Hutchison discusses how he deals with skepticism and criticism, especially from academics and scientists. While some academics have dismissed his work, many scientists involved in the military-industrial complex have shown interest. Hutchison recounts experiences where his demonstrations were met with skepticism, such as a general at the Pentagon who questioned the legitimacy of his experiments.
A caller, excited about Hutchison’s work, asks if he conducts any seminars or workshops in the United States where people could learn from him directly. Hutchison replies that while he has been busy with television crews, he hasn’t planned any upcoming seminars. He recalls holding one seminar in Denver in 1994 and expresses openness to the idea of educating engineers or others interested in reproducing his effects.
The caller draws a parallel between Hutchison and Nikola Tesla, noting how Tesla was also ridiculed despite his significant contributions. He suggests that Hutchison could form a network to teach others how to replicate his effects. Hutchison seems open to this idea, acknowledging that educating others and socializing would be enjoyable for him.
Art Bell emphasizes the value of Hutchison sharing his knowledge to help others conduct experiments. Hutchison mentions that interested parties can contact him through the website rumor mill news, where his videos are displayed and contact information is available.
John Hutchison discusses his videos, which are compilations of visual and audio evidence of his experiments, available for purchase. He confirms that these tapes, produced by a well-respected scientist in Toronto, convincingly document his claims. Each four-hour tape sells for $100, and Hutchison assures that watching them will validate the truth of his statements. Interested individuals can order the tapes by emailing him or visiting the Rumor Mill News website.
A caller inquires about the Slipstream Project, which involved attempting to create an Einstein-Rosen bridge, or wormhole. This project was repeatedly halted due to uncontrolled anomalies. The caller draws parallels between Hutchison’s work and the Slipstream Project, suggesting that Hutchison’s anomalies could be related to those encountered in the project. Hutchison recounts incidents where his experiments caused objects to float, leading to a neighbor being taken away by the police due to distress.
Another caller asks about the potential ill effects of Hutchison’s experiments on people nearby. Hutchison assures that his team, including Colonel Alexander, has not suffered any ill effects, and all members have remained healthy. He notes that no one has experienced tragic outcomes like those alleged in the Philadelphia Experiment.
A caller asks if Hutchison has ever incorporated color into his equations, such as using colored light beams. Hutchison mentions experiments with red laser light but indicates that color has not significantly influenced his results.
John Hutchison elaborates on his unorthodox experiments and the skepticism he faces from traditional scientists. Art Bell notes that many scientists are constrained by academic rules and are unlikely to attempt such experiments, whereas independent researchers like Hutchison are free to explore unconventional ideas.
Hutchison talks about historical experiments, referencing a 1927 experiment by Henry Moore involving long wire antennas and old vacuum tubes that drew significant energy to power light bulbs. He questions why knowledge of such experiments often fades away, likening it to the suppression of alternative medicine.
A caller asks if zero-point energy can facilitate time travel or interdimensional travel. Hutchison believes it can, recounting incidents where metal and rock samples disappeared and reappeared aged or altered. These samples were analyzed by the Max Planck Institute, which found unusual materials, including dark and transparent substances embedded in them.
Art mentions “Mad Man Marcum,” a story about a young man who attempted time travel and mysteriously disappeared. He sees parallels between Hutchison’s experiences and Markham’s story, suggesting potential dangers and mysteries involved in these experiments.
As they approach the bottom of the hour, Art invites listeners to contemplate Hutchison’s claims, considering whether he is an eccentric or someone who has rediscovered lost, powerful knowledge. The conversation highlights the intrigue and potential risks associated with Hutchison’s experiments.
Art Bell discusses with John Hutchison the idea of media attention and Hutchison’s willingness to engage with it. Hutchison expresses that he enjoys interacting with media and finds it fun, particularly when good producers and directors are involved. He mentions having done around 60 TV shows, indicating his comfort with such attention.
An international caller from the UK brings up various companies and projects working on anti-gravity technology, mentioning American Antigravity, Transdimensional Technologies, and Gravity Control Technologies, among others. The caller specifically asks about Dr. Ning Li’s work under a NASA grant in Huntsville, Alabama, and her advancements in levitation technology. Hutchison responds that similar experiments involving high voltage DC applied to lightweight frames have been around for a long time, likening it to a Van de Graaff generator experiment.
Art Bell questions Hutchison about patents, suggesting that patenting his discoveries could be a pathway to financial success. Hutchison admits that he has not applied for patents, citing the high cost of lawyers and his poor business skills. He mentions trying to patent his battery technology but encountering financial barriers.
Another caller asks Hutchison if he has control over the effects of his experiments, specifically whether he can deliberately levitate, propel, or liquefy objects. Hutchison confirms that by the late 1980s, he had developed significant control over his experiments, particularly by using vacuum tube technology to maintain stable frequencies.
John Hutchison discusses his past experiments and media attention. He mentions that most of his significant work was done in the 1980s, which gained considerable attention and led to lecture tours in the 1990s, including a major setup in Hiroshima City. While media interest continues, he notes that direct funding has decreased.
Art Bell highlights the growing interest in alternative energy due to the depletion of oil reserves. Hutchison shares that a U.S. Congressman visited him in 1998 to discuss the potential cost of building a unit to power a house, estimating $5 million for research and development. Hutchison believes that, with the right team and a Manhattan Project-style effort, it could be achieved.
A caller from Norfolk, Virginia, expresses belief in Hutchison’s sincerity but notes contradictions in his approach, suggesting that Hutchison needs better coordination and support. The caller proposes a foundation to support scientists like Hutchison. Art questions if the caller would personally invest in such a project, to which the caller responds affirmatively.
Art and the caller discuss the difficulty of gaining mainstream academic support for such unconventional research. The caller mentions Dean Radin, a serious scientist who struggled with funding despite backing from Paul Allen. Art emphasizes the challenge of why, if Hutchison’s work is so easily confirmed by videotape or experiments, it hasn’t been adopted by universities as a major project.
Art Bell continues discussing the potential and challenges of John Hutchison’s work. Art expresses his reservations but also deep interest in Hutchison’s claims. A caller suggests that experienced fundraisers could significantly advance Hutchison’s work, proposing a fund to support researchers like him.
Hutchison shares that billionaire funders have attempted to replicate his work, hinting at the political complexities involved. A caller from Arizona discusses military applications, mentioning microwave trucks used by the U.S. military and border patrol to create heat waves. This leads to a discussion on the potential use of Hutchison’s technology in combat.
Hutchison recalls another story about a time traveler who claimed to have made significant money in the stock market and was investigated by the SEC. Art concludes the segment by thanking Hutchison and reflecting on the transformative potential of his work if proven true.