Art begins the show with his signature greeting, highlighting the widespread reach of “Coast to Coast AM” across 25 time zones. He shares a historical photograph sent by a listener, Mike Sullivan, featuring early amateur radio equipment used by his grandfather, a pioneer in radio communication post-World War I. Art expresses gratitude for the listener’s contribution and transitions to a follow-up on a previous night’s story about Bob White, who had a close encounter with a UFO and recovered an object from it. Art reads an email from Dr. Robert Gibbons, executive director of the Museum of the Unexplained, who communicates on Bob White’s behalf, revealing a photograph of the recovered object on the show’s website.
Art reflects on his transformation from a skeptic to an inquisitive person after witnessing two UFOs, emphasizing how such experiences can alter one’s worldview. He introduces Bob White to share his firsthand account of the encounter. Bob recounts his story, describing how his career in show business led him to travel to Denver, Colorado, in 1985, where he planned a trip to Las Vegas. Accepting a ride from a woman he met at a hotel, Bob was awakened by her while driving near Grand Junction, Colorado, around 2 AM, to witness a mysterious light ahead.
Bob recounts how, on a clear night near Grand Junction, Colorado, a woman driving him noticed a strange light. Initially dismissing it as a railroad light, Bob soon realized it was something unusual. As they drove closer, the light, which had grown large and bright like the sun at sunset, appeared on the left side of the road. Bob turned off the car headlights to get a better look, but the woman turned them back on, causing the light to shoot up into the air and connect with two blue tubular lights, then disappear. Bob theorizes the light was ejected from something else due to its behavior.
He then details how the object he recovered, now about 75 inches long, had undergone testing. Los Alamos and New Mexico Tech had cut portions for analysis, revealing it to be largely aluminum and subjected to extreme heat. While one scientist initially claimed it was manufactured by an intelligence not from Earth, he later retracted the statement, likely to avoid publicity. Bob explains his naive excitement in sharing the news, not realizing the implications for those involved. Ongoing analyses, including planned isotope tests by NASA, aim to uncover more about the object’s origins. Bob remains intrigued by the object’s ejection and its implications.
Bob explains that after the initial light disappeared into another ship, it ejected a fiery object toward him. The object landed on the other side of a small embankment, leaving a groove in the fine powdery sand. Despite the object’s intense heat, the clear desert night allowed him to see it without needing a flashlight. Bob went back to the car to calm the woman, Jan, who was terrified. He retrieved a work glove from the car trunk to handle the object, which had cooled down significantly, a property he later learned was due to the element gadolinium.
Bob placed the object in his suitcase and they drove to Cisco, Utah, where they stopped at a small diner. Bob recalls how the diner is now mostly destroyed but served as a brief respite after the intense encounter. He mentions Jan as a crucial witness, hoping she might hear the broadcast and contact him through the Museum of the Unexplained. Art warns Bob against sharing his phone number on air for privacy reasons. Bob reaffirms his belief that the object is hard evidence of extraterrestrial life, although he initially considered it might be an advanced military project.
Bob shares that his initial skepticism began to change after interacting with scientists at Los Alamos. He sent the object to NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science), which initially told him it wasn’t extraterrestrial. However, when he took it to Los Alamos, the reaction of the scientists was striking—only two out of about twenty would even touch the object, and they documented his visit on video. This cautious behavior from the scientists, coupled with their later analyses, led Bob to reconsider the object’s origins.
Art summarizes the scenario for listeners: Bob and Jan witnessed a craft eject a mysterious object, which Bob retrieved and had analyzed. The object, now featured on the website, showed signs of exposure to extremely high temperatures and was metallic. Despite initial analyses suggesting terrestrial origins, the reluctance of scientists to handle it, and subsequent detailed tests, began to sway Bob’s belief toward extraterrestrial origins.
Bob explains that Unsolved Mysteries facilitated sending the object to Los Alamos. He insisted on accompanying it, and the scientists’ hesitance to touch it was unsettling. Los Alamos cut a piece off the object with a water saw for further analysis. Though initially told it was not of this Earth, Bob later learned the scientists needed a smaller sample for their tests. This complex and ongoing investigation included a polygraph test conducted by Captain George Larvae to verify Bob’s account.
Bob explains that he voluntarily took two polygraph tests, both of which he passed. The first test was at the insistence of the board of directors at his museum to ensure he was telling the truth. The polygraph examiner, who had conducted tests for the Springfield Police Department for 28 years, found Bob to be highly honest. The second test was requested by a UK TV show about his encounter, and he passed that one as well, which included more detailed questions.
Bob recounts that his belief in the extraterrestrial origin of the object was solidified when a Los Alamos scientist told him, after several weeks of analysis, that the object was something he had been looking for all his life and was definitely extraterrestrial. Bob was initially ecstatic, believing this would make mainstream news and confirm the existence of extraterrestrial life.
Art inquires about the possibility of missing time, a common phenomenon in UFO encounters, but Bob confirms there was no distortion of time during his experience. He then explains that he and Jan parted ways the first night in Las Vegas, and he returned home by bus with the object. His brother was skeptical and teased him about the encounter.
In a diner in Cisco, Utah, Bob and Jan discussed their experience, and a local overheard them, confirming that sightings were common in the area. The local provided a phone number to report the sighting, indicating that local reports were often ignored, but suggested outsiders might have better luck.
Bob describes contacting an authority figure who dismissed his sighting as a reflection or swamp gas, which frustrated him due to the repetitive, dismissive explanations from scientists. Despite having only a seventh-grade education, Bob knew such dismissals were incorrect. He humorously referred to the object as “space do-do” and emphasized how a scientist’s initial statement about the object’s extraterrestrial origin changed his perspective. However, this scientist later denied his statement when contacted by Bob’s friend, a newspaper reporter.
Bob details the polygraph tests, including questions about the scientist’s statement, which were part of his sworn affidavit. He expresses his desire for the world to pay attention, for scientists to take the matter seriously, and for the government to be transparent about UFOs. Art suggests the government might withhold information to maintain control, especially if they cannot control their own skies. Bob agrees, noting the lack of official investigation since Project Blue Book ended and how calling authorities often leads to dismissive responses.
Despite the Kansas City Star’s article on his encounter, Bob felt crucial details were omitted, such as Dr. Gibbons’ NASA background. Bob corrects a previous statement about their location, clarifying it was west of Grand Junction, closer to Cisco, Utah. He hopes Jan, who witnessed the event, might come forward to corroborate his story, reigniting interest. The object contains 32 rare earth elements in addition to aluminum, highlighting its unusual composition.
Bob mentions the presence of various elements in the object, including gadolinium, strontium, europium, magnesium, manganese, and aluminum, but no tin. He notes that isotopic analyses on strontium were consistent with meteorites from Mars, analyzed by the same scientist. Despite this, there was a denial of the object’s extraterrestrial nature. To protect the object, Bob and his board of directors move it daily, ensuring no one knows its exact location.
Art expresses gratitude to Bob for sharing his story, emphasizing how life-changing such encounters can be. The show transitions to the next guest, David Sereda, who had a UFO sighting in 1968 along with hundreds of others. David, whose initial aspiration was to become an astronaut, became a UFO enthusiast after witnessing a metallic dish in the sky. His interests expanded to space, religion, philosophy, astronomy, and science, leading to a career in high technology, environmental, and humanitarian issues, and professional photography.
David recounts how his sighting as a child in Berkeley, California, profoundly impacted him. He recalls the neighborhood’s reaction to the UFO, with people gathering to observe the metallic object shimmering in the sky. This experience solidified his lifelong interest in UFO phenomena.
David Sereda continues recounting his childhood UFO experience and the vivid dreams that followed, which later seemed to align with scientific concepts involving superconductivity. His early fascination with space and science, influenced by his stepfather, led him to collect Apollo mission memorabilia and dream of becoming an astronaut. An unexpected encounter with a stranger who predicted his future as an astronaut further fueled his aspirations.
As an adult, David pursued a career in ufology while working closely with prominent physicists and researchers in nuclear fusion and high technology. He describes keeping his UFO interests secret to avoid ridicule, as mainstream scientists often dismiss UFO phenomena. Despite this, he engaged with influential figures like Murray Gell-Mann, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, and others working on advanced scientific projects.
David explains his involvement in significant scientific endeavors, such as working with Bogdan Maglich on a nuclear fusion device using helium-3 and deuterium, far beyond cold fusion. He collaborated with major energy corporations and influential scientists, bringing alternative energy solutions to the forefront. His work connected him with leaders in the Russian space program and other high-profile scientific initiatives, demonstrating his deep integration into the scientific community while maintaining a discreet passion for ufology.
David Sereda elaborates on the advanced nuclear fusion device developed by Bogdan Maglich, which could reach temperatures of 10 billion degrees without radiating heat from the reactor. This was achieved through a self-containing magnetic field that concentrated the heat in the center of the device. This method surpassed traditional fusion reactors like the Tokamak fusion at Princeton, which struggled to contain temperatures of around 100 million degrees. The device used helium-3 fusion, which produced all charged particles converting directly into electricity, eliminating the inefficient heat cycle present in other nuclear reactions.
The device, described as groundbreaking, was tested by the Air Force using supercomputers, confirming its potential to achieve beyond break-even fusion. A single square meter could produce a gigawatt of power, and a small amount of helium-3 fuel could generate the energy equivalent of a thousand barrels of crude oil. NASA, represented by James Fletcher and Earl VanLandingham, showed keen interest in the device for its potential applications in space, including generating substantial power for the space station and enabling spacecraft propulsion at speeds up to one-tenth the speed of light.
Despite the promising results, Congress denied the funding to complete the reactor. David reveals that even Howard Hughes showed interest in funding the project but died before finalizing it. In 1992, David was appointed director of the LA Tesla Foundation, promoting scientific discoveries for a better environment. He spoke before Congress in 1993, during the Clinton-Gore administration, alongside other prominent physicists, advocating for these advanced technologies. However, the proposal faced significant challenges in gaining the necessary support and funding.
David Sereda describes the challenges he faced while trying to fundraise for advanced energy technologies, particularly from oil companies. He recounts a threatening phone call from a representative of Royal Dutch Shell, warning him against pursuing this line of work, implying potential danger to him and his family. David reflects on the suspicious death of Dr. Eugene Mallove, suggesting that those working on such groundbreaking technologies face significant risks.
He explains that helium-3 fusion, unlike cold fusion, poses no security threat as it produces no neutrons, gamma rays, or X-rays, only pure energy. This makes it a safer alternative energy source without the risks associated with cold fusion, which could potentially be used to breed plutonium from uranium.
Art Bell mentions Dr. Steven Greer, who is actively seeking individuals with advanced technology claims like David’s. David acknowledges this, hinting at an intriguing story related to Dr. Greer, which he plans to share after the break.
Art and David discuss the broader implications of these technologies, particularly in the context of global oil reserves, which Royal Dutch Shell predicts will be depleted by 2026. David believes his technology could significantly reduce the world’s reliance on oil, making it a revolutionary alternative for meeting global energy needs. He mentions forming a company called the Green and Blue Corporation with a Middle Eastern partner to further these efforts.
David Sereda discusses his efforts to secure funding for fusion technology breakthroughs. Despite meeting influential figures such as David Blumenthal, George Stranahan, and members of the Saudi royal family, they all ultimately declined due to decisions influenced by the Department of Energy (DOE). He recalls a conversation with the head of the DOE’s fusion program, who refused to give investors a green light, emphasizing the potential economic impact of successful helium-3 fusion.
David explains that the disruption to the global economy, with a significant portion of revenue dependent on energy, made the technology too intimidating. High-caliber physicists, including Nobel laureates like Murray Gell-Mann and Glenn Seaborg, supported the feasibility of helium-3 fusion, but lower-tier physicists and economic concerns led to its rejection.
Art Bell inquires about the potential dangers or weaknesses of helium-3 fusion. David clarifies that helium-3 fusion is stable and safe, producing no radiation, unlike other nuclear fuels like tritium and deuterium. Despite its benign nature and the backing of top scientists, the technology faced opposition due to its potential to drastically alter economic power structures.
David illustrates the potential of helium-3, noting that a space shuttle cargo bay full of moon dust could meet the entire energy demands of the United States for a year. This ties into theories about alien mining operations on the moon and other celestial bodies, suggesting that these operations could be harvesting helium-3.
Art seeks confirmation about the abundance of helium-3 on the moon compared to Earth. David affirms that moon dust contains significantly more recoverable helium-3, which presents a promising alternative energy source that could revolutionize the world’s energy infrastructure.
David Sereda explains that helium-3, rare on Earth, can be found in significant quantities in moon dust, making the moon a prime source for this isotope. Despite the differences between moon rocks and moon dust, the latter contains enough helium-3 to make it economically feasible to use as fuel.
David recounts a significant meeting with prominent physicists and energy experts, including Murray Gell-Mann, Glenn Seaborg, and Bogdan Maglich, evaluating helium-3 fusion’s feasibility. However, Edison ultimately decided against pursuing this new energy source, stating they had sufficient electric power. This sentiment was echoed by other potential funders, including Al Gore and Greenpeace, who showed little interest in the technology.
NASA, represented by Earl VanLandingham and James Fletcher, was enthusiastic about the potential of helium-3 fusion and requested funding from Congress, which was denied. David suggests that the development of this technology would inevitably trickle down from NASA to the private sector, making it a threat to existing energy interests.
David mentions a conspiracy against non-radioactive nuclear energy research in Russia and traces the history of nuclear reactions, noting that early experiments were non-radioactive before the focus shifted to uranium and plutonium for weaponry. He argues that successful helium-3 fusion would revolutionize energy, making it cheap and abundant, but it also threatens the Department of Defense’s need for neutron sources to breed tritium for nuclear weapons. This dependency on breeder reactors to maintain a supply of tritium is a significant barrier to the adoption of non-radioactive nuclear energy sources.
David Sereda continues to discuss the implications of the Department of Defense’s (DoD) need for radioactive sources, which might have led to the moratorium on non-radioactive nuclear energy research. He believes that both economic interests and the DoD’s requirements for breeding tritium could be reasons why fusion technologies like helium-3 were not pursued.
Art Bell shares a personal story about meeting a physicist named Dr. Paul Weiss in the 1950s, who was working on nuclear reactions with non-conventional materials, illustrating that there has been long-standing interest in alternative nuclear reactions. David agrees, noting that non-radioactive fuels like lithium were explored, but helium-3 remains the “holy grail” of nuclear fuels.
David predicts that as global oil reserves deplete, estimated to be around 2026, there might be a push to develop alternative energy sources. He references recent reports confirming the imminent exhaustion of cheap oil and the shift towards more expensive extraction methods. David expresses frustration over the lack of funding for sustainable solutions, despite the clear need and the potential technologies available.
He mentions his current project, a documentary film about sustainable housing development using solar, wind, and hydrogen power, showcasing ways to become energy-independent. David highlights the need for a breakthrough genius like Einstein or Tesla to lead the way, but emphasizes the necessity of funding such visionaries to realize their potential.
David discusses how Bogdan Maglich, now focused on bomb detection, is burnt out from the lack of support for his fusion work. David suggests that unless significant funding with no strings attached is provided, these innovative technologies might remain untapped until the world faces a severe energy crisis around 2024.
Art summarizes the discussion, emphasizing the potential of helium-3 fusion as a viable energy solution that remains unexplored due to current economic and political barriers. He hints at transitioning the conversation to other topics, including ufology, promising more intriguing discussions.
Art Bell transitions the discussion to UFO cases in Mexico and Venice. David Sereda recounts the events of March 12, 2001, when he was on Art’s show with James Oberg. During their debate about the capabilities of NASA’s shuttle cameras, they were abruptly booted off the air, coinciding with Oberg’s challenge.
David mentions an incident involving Dan Aykroyd, who was producing a show called “Out There” for the Sci-Fi Channel in 2000. During the taping of an interview with Steven Greer, Oberg called in, expressing his disturbance. Aykroyd later saw a black sedan with men in black suits and sunglasses, who intimidated him. Within 24 hours, Aykroyd’s show was canceled, despite significant interest and credible testimonies from Air Force pilots and astronauts. This cancellation mirrored the abrupt end of David’s show, suggesting a higher-level intervention to silence UFO-related content.
David shifts to the Mexican UFO case, describing how he was alerted by a friend, David Sereda, who informed him about a significant press conference in early May. Bob Carlos, a senior producer at Fox News, aired the footage nationally within hours, followed by other networks. The case involved 11 UFOs detected on forward-looking infrared cameras, with three confirmed on radar. These UFOs surrounded an aircraft, intimidating the pilots. David emphasizes the significance of this case, comparing it to the NASA UFO incidents, highlighting the lack of visual confirmation despite the technological detections.
David Sereda discusses the Mexican UFO case in detail, explaining that the objects were detected by forward-looking infrared cameras, which are more advanced than standard infrared cameras. These cameras can capture images in both low and high-frequency infrared, providing clear, detailed images resembling photographs. David notes that these cameras were able to detect objects invisible to the naked eye, with some UFOs displaying structured shapes.
David mentions an interview with Ken Sturrock, a retired U.S. Air Force member who worked in drug enforcement. Sturrock revealed that Space Command had tracked these UFOs from Venezuela and notified the Mexican Air Force, which then deployed jets equipped with forward-looking infrared cameras. These cameras detected the UFOs, which intimidated the pilots.
David highlights that these UFOs, like those in his Berkeley sighting, could become invisible, disappearing from view despite being detectable on infrared. He references Trevor James Constable, a British naval officer and author of “The Cosmic Pulse of Life,” who documented similar phenomena during World War II. Constable used high-speed infrared film to capture images of invisible objects, showing large, translucent disks with black centers, similar to those seen in NASA’s STS-75 mission.
David underscores the consistency between historical sightings and recent evidence, arguing that these advanced detection technologies confirm the existence of UFOs that are not visible to the naked eye but detectable through specialized equipment.
David Sereda delves deeper into the Mexican UFO case, describing the objects as large, translucent discs visible only through ultraviolet cameras. He emphasizes the significance of these sightings, suggesting they provide absolute proof of extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth. David explains that Einstein’s laws of physics prevent physical spacecraft from attaining the speed of light due to the immense energy required and the resulting increase in mass and inertia.
David elaborates on his conversation with Earl VanLandingham at NASA, where he asked if they had made contact with extraterrestrials. VanLandingham confirmed they had not, explaining that the energy signal from a craft traveling at 99% of the speed of light would be detectable by every amateur astronomer, yet such a signal has never been observed.
David theorizes that instead of accelerating mass to such high speeds, extraterrestrial spacecraft might convert their mass into light, achieving a zero-mass state. This would drastically reduce the energy required to travel at the speed of light, making it almost negligible. This conversion would also mean that the energy signal would be minimal, explaining why mainstream physicists do not detect incoming objects.
David connects this theory to the Mexican UFO case, where the craft were detected through infrared cameras. These cameras captured high-temperature signals imprinted in the humid atmosphere, but not the craft themselves, which he believes were in a higher ultraviolet or even x-ray/gamma-ray wavelength state. This theory is supported by radar reports, which only detected three out of eleven UFOs, indicating that the others were in a translucent mass state, allowing microwaves to pass through them undetected.
David contrasts his theory with that of Bob Lazar, who claimed that UFOs use gravity generators with element 115 to achieve propulsion. David suggests that while Lazar’s theory focuses on generating gravity, his theory revolves around converting mass to light to achieve zero-mass travel, making it a fundamentally different approach to interstellar travel.
David Sereda continues his discussion about element 115 and its potential use in UFO propulsion. He points out that increasing an object’s gravity necessitates increasing its mass, which aligns with Bob Lazar’s claims about element 115. Recent experiments at Berkeley have successfully duplicated element 115, further validating Lazar’s earlier assertions.
Art Bell shifts the conversation to the current surge in UFO sightings, noting a sudden increase that seems to suggest an impending climax or revelation about extraterrestrial activities. David agrees, mentioning significant recent sightings in Mexico and Venice. He highlights Patrick Stewart’s clear video footage of a metallic disc in Venice, displaying similar wave distortions seen in NASA’s UFO footage. These sightings, combined with others in Sonora, hint at a significant ongoing event.
David details the Venice sighting where Patrick Stewart, while walking with his girlfriend, spotted a hubcap-like object in the sky. He retrieved his video camera and captured remarkable footage of the metallic disc. David feels a personal connection to this sighting, reminiscent of his own experience in Berkeley in the late 1960s. He mentions that the footage is available on the LA UFO website, although there are issues with the site being down temporarily.
David elaborates on the concept of zero-mass spaceships, suggesting that these craft transform their mass into a state resembling photons, allowing them to perform extraordinary maneuvers. This transformation explains their sudden, sharp turns and other seemingly impossible movements.
Art Bell asks David about the potential revelations that might come from finally understanding these UFO phenomena. David envisions a significant shift, especially as the world approaches the end of its oil reserves. He emphasizes the urgent need to transition to alternative fuels like hydrogen and the importance of investing in proper research to develop sustainable energy sources.
David Sereda discusses the implications of UFOs possessing advanced energy and propulsion technologies that could revolutionize life on Earth. He acknowledges the potential danger and ethical considerations, questioning whether extraterrestrial beings are benign. Art Bell raises concerns about the possibility of malevolent intentions, citing instances of abductions as potentially unfriendly acts. David compares these actions to human behavior in biological research, where organisms are studied in ways that may seem harmful but are for scientific purposes.
David suggests that while abductions and other interactions might seem malevolent from a human perspective, they could be seen differently by the extraterrestrials. He posits that extraterrestrials might view humans similarly to how humans view less advanced species, raising ethical questions about their actions. David believes that understanding the technology behind UFOs is within reach and highlights the work of his friend John Hutchison, who has made significant strides in antigravity research.
Art asks why extraterrestrials would visit Earth and whether their presence began with the Roswell incident. David speculates that UFO sightings and interactions have been occurring for much longer, referencing historical depictions of UFOs in Middle Age paintings and biblical accounts like the wheels of Ezekiel. He suggests that the current surge in UFO sightings indicates a significant ongoing event.
Art and David explore the idea that extraterrestrials might be observing or even subtly interacting with humanity. David mentions various unexplained phenomena, such as crop circles and abductions, and questions the extraterrestrials’ motives. He suggests that they might be studying human behavior and culture, including music, which David believes could intrigue extraterrestrial beings.
Art humorously comments on how sending rap music into space might negatively impact extraterrestrials’ perception of humanity, but David counters that other genres like blues and classical music might convey the beauty of human culture. They agree that music could provide extraterrestrials with insight into human emotions and creativity.
David Sereda elaborates on the idea that extraterrestrial beings might be our creators, monitoring and occasionally intervening in our development. He suggests that if humans had the capability to seed life on other planets, they would likely return to check on their creations. This perspective leads him to believe that extraterrestrials might view us as a kind of lab experiment, observing our progress and possibly intervening to correct deficiencies.
Art Bell questions the nature of these interventions, specifically referencing claims of genetic tampering and abductions. David posits that if extraterrestrials were involved in our creation, they might be trying to correct perceived flaws in our genetic makeup. He speculates that these interventions could be aimed at addressing human tendencies towards conflict, war, and environmental destruction, while also acknowledging the beauty and creativity humans are capable of.
David ties these ideas to ancient myths and religious texts, such as the Garden of Eden and the concept of the knowledge of good and evil. He believes that humanity’s internal conflict, stemming from this duality, has led to a fragmented state of being. This conflict manifests in different interpretations of good and evil, leading to division and strife among humans.
David explains that achieving enlightenment involves transcending this duality and returning to a state of oneness. He suggests that internal conflict has caused our DNA to become electrically separated, creating barriers that prevent us from accessing higher states of consciousness. He believes that resolving this internal conflict could lead to a more unified and harmonious existence.
The conversation touches on the idea that extraterrestrials, through their advanced knowledge and technology, might be attempting to guide humanity towards this state of enlightenment by correcting our genetic code and helping us overcome our destructive tendencies.
David Sereda continues his discussion, touching on the concept of duality and the entropic nature of cells, which can mirror the spiritual and genetic entropies humans might face. He explains that living in a state of conflict and separation from the universe’s connectedness can lead to malfunction and eventual collapse. David contrasts this with the idea of reunification with a higher, more unified field of energy, suggesting that resolving this internal conflict could restore a more harmonious state of being.
Art Bell raises the idea of the “hive mind,” which he finds frightening, as it implies a loss of individual autonomy. David clarifies that his meditation practice has led him to non-dual states of consciousness, which he describes as beautiful and devoid of terror. He suggests that extraterrestrials might be observing humanity, perhaps out of curiosity about our behavior and cultural expressions, such as music.
The conversation then shifts to the idea of extraterrestrials as creators. David speculates that if extraterrestrials created human life, they might return to monitor and possibly intervene in our development. He acknowledges the disturbing nature of this concept but maintains that it could explain their interest in our progress.
Art mentions the potential for genetic tampering by extraterrestrials, which David addresses by considering the possibility that they might be trying to correct deficiencies in our genetic code. He connects this to the broader idea of internal conflict and the duality of good and evil, suggesting that resolving these conflicts could lead to a more enlightened state.
David references historical and religious accounts, such as the wheels of Ezekiel and the visions of Enoch, as evidence of long-term extraterrestrial interaction with humanity. He points to recent UFO sightings as part of a significant ongoing event, hinting at a potential climax or revelation in the near future.
Art then opens the phone lines for listener questions, while discussing how extraterrestrial revelations could profoundly impact human beliefs and potentially create a new religion. David shares an example from Egypt, where UFOs and apparitions of the Virgin Mary were reported, leading to a mass spiritual event that united Muslims and Christians in prayer. He suggests that such events could represent a new form of religious revelation, blending existing beliefs with new understandings of extraterrestrial involvement.
David acknowledges the potential conflict between extraterrestrial creators and traditional biblical accounts of creation, referencing the work of Zecharia Sitchin and the idea that ancient texts might describe the physical creation of humanity by advanced beings.
David Sereda discusses the idea of genetic manipulation by extraterrestrials, suggesting that they might have mixed their DNA with evolving species like Neanderthals to create modern humans. He compares this to a hypothetical scenario where humans, having developed interstellar travel, might seed life on another planet and be regarded as gods by future generations.
A caller from Texas, who identifies himself as working at a facility known as Hangar 18, claims to be guarding an extraterrestrial craft. He describes the craft as approximately 380 feet long and 287 feet wide, with 17 bodies originally found inside. The caller states that the propulsion system appeared to be powered by tritium and hydrogen but is now inactive. He mentions that no protective suits are needed, indicating no remaining radioactivity.
David and Art engage with the caller, who asserts that the craft has rounded triangular corners and bulges. The caller estimates that a few thousand people, including guards and scientists, are aware of the craft’s existence. Despite the secrecy, he claims that his commanding officer allowed him to call the show, suggesting that others believe the public should know about this discovery.
Art expresses skepticism about the logic of making such a call on a national talk show. The caller explains that they listen to the show regularly and feel that people should be informed. He reveals that the craft crashed in 1958 and that he is willing to provide more information and videotapes, though he is hesitant to use email due to fear of repercussions. Art advises the caller to use a public library computer to email him safely.
David Sereda responds to a caller who claims to be guarding an extraterrestrial craft at a facility known as Hangar 18. The caller describes the craft as triangular with rounded corners and numerous bulges. He states that the craft had 17 deceased bodies inside and that the propulsion system, reportedly using tritium and hydrogen, was dead when it crashed. Despite the secrecy of his role, the caller’s commanding officer allowed him to call the show, believing that the public should be informed about the discovery.
David expresses interest in the caller’s claims and suggests further communication. Art Bell advises the caller to email him from a public library to safely share more information. The conversation then shifts to the possibility of a crash retrieval program, with David affirming his belief in the existence of such a program. He discusses the Roswell incident, suggesting that the nuclear tests in New Mexico in 1945 might have disturbed interdimensional craft, leading to the crashes in Roswell and the Plains of Saint Augustine in 1947.
David speculates that the gamma radiation from the nuclear tests could have affected these high-frequency wavelength crafts, causing them to crash. He also considers that the nuclear explosion would have drawn the attention of any extraterrestrial observers due to its significant energy release. Art agrees that the explosion would have been a major signal to any observers, prompting them to investigate.
David mentions Bob Lazar’s claims about element 115, noting that recent experiments at Berkeley have produced the element using a method similar to Lazar’s descriptions. He finds it remarkable that Lazar’s decades-old formula matches the modern production method. David theorizes that extraterrestrial crafts might use a large energy burst to convert their mass into light, maintaining this state with minimal energy, similar to the Hutchison effect.
A new caller shares an experience with a black triangle craft and a photograph taken in a crop circle that revealed an alien face. Art asks David about the connection between crop circles, animal mutilations, and other inexplicable phenomena. David is convinced that these events are interconnected, suggesting a broader pattern of extraterrestrial activity.
David Sereda discusses the similarities between the wave patterns in crop circles and the propulsion systems of UFOs captured in NASA footage. He suggests that crop circles might contain blueprints or messages related to the conversion of mass into light, a concept he believes is integral to understanding UFO technology.
Art Bell continues the discussion, highlighting David’s extensive work in ufology and his documentary “Evidence: The Case for NASA UFOs.” David explains that the documentary investigates UFO phenomena captured by space shuttle mission cameras during the 1990s, using footage archived by Martin Stubbs. He has conducted studies with NASA physicists and scientists, as well as external experts, to probe these phenomena and seek answers.
David mentions that while some astronauts, like Edgar Mitchell, are skeptical of the zero-mass spacecraft concept, others like Gordon Cooper have reported seeing UFOs. Cooper’s book “Leap of Faith” and his appearances on media outlets have discussed his encounters. David also notes that John Schuster, a former NASA engineer and current head of MUFON, is interested in UFO technology and supports the idea of converting mass to light to achieve advanced propulsion.
The conversation turns to the various responses astronauts have given regarding UFO sightings, with some being more open about their experiences than others. David acknowledges the challenges in gaining direct admissions from astronauts but highlights the importance of continuing the investigation into these phenomena.
A caller from Ventura, California, named Tammy, is introduced and prepared to ask a question and share an experience, signaling a continuation of engaging audience interaction on the topic of UFOs and extraterrestrial technology.
David Sereda addresses a question from a caller about why everything in the universe spins. He explains that spin is inherent to the wave-particle relationship of matter, with all entities from planets to solar systems revolving around larger structures, contributing to their spinning motion.
Another caller, Tammy from Ventura, California, shares her recent experience of witnessing a large meteorite that seemingly started a significant fire, burning 6,000 acres and causing evacuations. Tammy describes the meteorite as a huge, silent, fiery ball with a long tail that landed nearby. Despite the fire it caused, there was no media coverage or public discussion about it. David finds this account remarkable and suggests further investigation, comparing it to the Betty Cash case involving a UFO with severe radiation burns.
Art Bell comments on the oddity of the lack of media attention, and David plans to follow up by contacting someone he knows in the area to verify the story. They agree that if more people saw it, there should be additional reports, which could provide confirmation.
Another caller, a government employee who wishes to remain anonymous, reveals that during the early 90s, they were instructed to feign concern when receiving UFO sighting reports and then disregard them. The caller asks David about his thoughts on the time traveler theory. David begins to respond to this intriguing question, setting the stage for further discussion on the possibility of time travel and its connection to UFO phenomena.
David Sereda responds to the caller’s question about time travel, explaining that the current understanding requires an immense amount of energy, such as creating wormholes. According to Kip Thorne’s work, making a wormhole to travel faster than light would require the energy output of all the suns in our galaxy for a year, which is unattainable. However, David proposes that using zero mass could allow for zero mass wormholes, significantly reducing the energy required.
David elaborates on his theory that time is a wave-particle relationship, similar to how particles like planets spin around the sun. He explains that every event has already happened, and time merely inhibits us from moving forward and backward through these events. He references Richard Feynman’s experiment, which showed that all events have already occurred, supporting this view.
Art Bell and David discuss the possibility of time travelers among us. David believes that if time travel is possible, it would involve moving along the time wave itself, allowing forward and backward movement in time. He recalls past guests on Art’s show who claimed to be time travelers but have since vanished, speculating they might have succeeded in time travel.
Another caller raises the possibility that extraterrestrials could have been here all along, perhaps originating from a planet like Mars that died out. They might have remained invisible to us due to their advanced technology, but as our technology advances, we are beginning to detect them. David agrees, suggesting that we might be approaching a point where interaction with these beings becomes inevitable.
David Sereda discusses how advancements in technology, such as infrared and ultraviolet cameras, are allowing us to detect phenomena that were previously invisible. He mentions a call from an individual working in space command who confirmed that such sightings are common on visible satellites. David draws a parallel with Christ’s resurrection, suggesting that beings can convert between flesh and light, allowing them to become visible or invisible at will.
As the show comes to an end, Art Bell gives David a chance to promote his work. David mentions his book “The Case for NASA UFOs” and the upcoming release of “Evidence Two,” which will include interviews with various experts and a bonus DVD featuring Dan Aykroyd. He also mentions a new documentary on the Venice UFO and California sightings, set for release later in the year.
David highlights the extensive interviews and research he has conducted over the past year, including conversations with John Hutchison and Trevor James Constable. He believes that his new film will provide compelling evidence and insights into UFO phenomena.
Art Bell wraps up the show, thanking David Sereda and wishing the audience a good night.