Art begins the show discussing the avian flu, mentioning that the virus initially spread from birds to humans, leading to 53 deaths so far. Although human-to-human transmission has been rare, experts warn that a pandemic could occur if this becomes more frequent. Health officials informed a congressional committee about ongoing efforts to develop treatments and a vaccine, but progress is slow, and a vaccine would take about six months to produce once the flu strain begins spreading among humans. Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Health, emphasized that creating a vaccine overnight for everyone would be impossible. Dr. Julie Bird from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention added that the available treatment must be administered within 48 hours of infection, which is often too late as people usually don’t realize they have the flu until after this critical period.
Another story covered the potential impact of a flu pandemic, which could result in up to half a million deaths in the US. Art also mentioned a new case of mad cow disease in an American cow, detected by the US Agriculture Department. Unlike other countries with quick testing protocols, the US uses a slower, more elaborate system preferred by the beef industry to minimize false positives. Consequently, a test that could have been completed in weeks took over six months. Art then transitioned to taking calls, indicating that Dean Radin would be the upcoming guest, highlighting Radin’s significant contributions to consciousness research. Art noted the explosion of interest in consciousness since Radin’s initial experiments at Princeton.
A caller named Jim from San Francisco mentioned a 1998 show where Art interviewed a bird trainer for Siegfried and Roy, discussing how animals can sometimes turn on their handlers. Art agreed but clarified that in the specific incident involving Siegfried and Roy, the cat was trying to protect its handler, who was having a stroke. This misunderstanding highlighted the complex nature of animal behavior. Art then shared a personal anecdote about his cat, Dusty, demonstrating the deep bond he has with animals.
The segment continued with another caller from the Rockies, expressing sympathy for Art’s recent loss of a cat and sharing his own love for cats. This caller, who lives in a swamp on the Delmarva Peninsula and has been a hunter for 50 years, sought advice from Art and the show’s audience.
A caller from the Delmarva Peninsula described encountering a snake that seemed to recognize him, behaving unusually by not scurrying away. This led him to wonder if the snake’s behavior was an omen. Art humorously suggested it could be the reincarnated souls of animals the caller had hunted, although the caller clarified he hunted for sustenance. Art acknowledged the oddity and suggested the audience might offer interpretations.
Another caller from Seattle expressed disappointment over Art’s reduced presence on the show but understood his desire for adventure. Art reassured him that he’d be enjoying new experiences, despite stepping back from regular hosting duties. The conversation moved on to Art’s extensive experience in broadcasting, reflecting on his long career.
A first-time caller from North Carolina inquired about Art’s ham radio equipment. Art detailed his impressive setup, including a Yaesu FT 9000 Delta, an Icom 7800, and powerful amplifiers. He recounted an ongoing mystery involving high voltage from his antenna, creating blue sparks despite no storms, a phenomenon he hasn’t yet solved.
Art continued taking calls, including one from Phoenix where a caller recalled a past discussion about a mixture of baby oil, detergent, and water that supposedly could kill almost any biological threat but the common cold. Art didn’t remember the specifics but found the claim intriguing.
Art received a call from Sherry in Pahrump, who shared a recent experience on Highway 160. She saw five perfectly shaped, oval clouds that compressed into one large cloud, from which metallic objects emerged. Sherry and her mother-in-law watched this phenomenon for three hours, noting another large cloud appearing near Shoshone. Art mentioned that unusual sky sightings are common in Pahrump and that the local radio station often receives reports of such events.
Blair from Sedona, Arizona, called next, referencing the Sedona Journal of Emergence and Project Deep Impact, discussing the potential energy backlash from Comet Tempel 1. He expressed concerns about the impact of this energy on Earth, suggesting that love is the constant and free will allows people to choose love over distractions like money. Art agreed, noting the complexity of free will and its influence on human behavior.
The conversation shifted to a caller from Toronto, who expressed concern about Canada’s oil supply to the US and the potential Chinese interest in Alberta’s oil sands. He voiced apprehension over China’s economic practices and preferred the oil resources remain under North American control.
Art continued with a call from a listener concerned about the global oil market and its impact. He explained that oil is a global commodity, and its price is influenced by the world market, including China’s demand. The caller also referenced a movie quote about free will, tying it back to a previous discussion. Another caller wanted to discuss a theory from a previous guest, Robert Dean, about the possibility that human DNA was manipulated or deposited on Earth by external creators around 10,000 years ago. This caller, a firm believer in evolution, was shaken by the implications of this theory and questioned how it aligns with scientific findings like carbon dating of fossils. Art responded by contemplating the future where humanity itself might become creators, capable of sparking life and reviving extinct species, and pondered the profound implications of this ability.
A caller from Cleveland, Ohio, brought up hyper optics and negative densities, leading to a discussion about objects traveling faster than light and becoming observable only when they slow to light speed. Art entertained the idea, though acknowledging it would challenge Einstein’s theories.
Another caller from Manitoba expressed skepticism about the purported energy shortage, citing a CIA report on natural gas reserves. He questioned the high price of oil, likening it to a tactic of selling older milk first. Art mentioned theories about oil companies not building new tankers, suggesting they might be anticipating running out of oil, which is a concerning thought echoed by various guests on the show.
Art discussed the global oil market, emphasizing how it operates as a world commodity, with prices influenced by global demand, including from China. A caller correctly identified the movie “The Devil’s Advocate,” referencing the line about free will and vanity. Another caller from Mesa raised a thought-provoking question about the impact on reality if the entire world was conscious or unconscious simultaneously, pondering whether reality continues without observation.
A caller from Cleveland speculated on the effects of pervasive RF energy on Art’s high-voltage phenomenon, though Art doubted it, given the lack of nearby AM stations. The caller also expressed hope that Raleigh Jeans might occasionally appear on the show.
Art then transitioned to introducing Dean Radin, highlighting his extensive background in researching psychic phenomena. Radin’s career includes significant work at AT&T Bell Labs, GT Laboratories, SRI International, and the Institute of Noetic Sciences. He has been featured in various media and authored “The Conscious Universe.” Art encouraged listeners to explore the “Princeton Eggs” online, hinting at the eerie and fascinating nature of the experiment, which would be explained in detail during Radin’s segment.
Art welcomed Dean Radin to the show, and they began discussing the “Princeton Eggs” experiment. Art described it as creepy due to the eerie nature of observing the random number generators (RNGs) displaying order during significant global events. Dean explained that these RNGs are part of a worldwide network and that their purpose is to generate fundamentally random numbers, as determined by quantum mechanics. The intriguing, or “creepy,” aspect is that these numbers sometimes show non-random patterns during major events.
The project, ongoing for nearly eight years, initially started with three generators and has now expanded to around 70. These generators are scattered globally and tend to exhibit simultaneous non-random behavior during significant events, which is when the system’s alarms and sounds become more active. Dean noted that they have analyzed 199 events, with 186 being formally defined and included in their study. The results show overwhelming odds—about 50,000 to 1—in favor of order appearing when it theoretically shouldn’t, indicating a potential link between global events and these patterns.
Art and Dean discussed the varying strength of the odds over time, with some periods showing as high as 1 million to 1 odds. They are now exploring whether certain types of events are more likely to produce these measurable effects, though the patterns are still being studied.
Dean explained that certain types of events, such as natural disasters, often do not produce significant results in their analysis of the random number generators (RNGs). For example, the tsunami and its preceding earthquake did not show notable patterns. They have reanalyzed 55 impulse events, including earthquakes and terrorist attacks, using a cross-correlation method to identify potential precursors, which appear 2 to 4 hours before the events. This suggests that certain geophysical events might have detectable precursors.
Dean mentioned that they have also analyzed earthquakes of at least magnitude seven, finding similar patterns even for events not pre-registered. This reduces the likelihood that the analysts are unintentionally influencing the results through selection bias. Significant effects have been observed during human-oriented events, particularly acts of terrorism, such as the embassy bombings in 1998 attributed to al-Qaeda. Additionally, large-scale meditations and notable events like Pope John Paul II’s funeral and Princess Diana’s funeral have shown significant results.
Art asked about the potential difference if RNGs were placed inside Faraday cages. Dean clarified that the RNGs are already shielded within metal boxes, implying that further shielding would likely not change the output.
Dean elaborated on the nature of the random number generators (RNGs) used in the project, noting that they are well-shielded within metal boxes to prevent external interference. This shielding suggests that any observed anomalies are likely due to external factors affecting the RNGs in ways not explained by classical physics. Dean speculated that these influences might be related to quantum mechanics and the idea of a field that modulates the medium in which we live, potentially related to consciousness or mind.
Art mentioned that the server for the Princeton Eggs experiment crashed, likely due to high interest. He observed that since their initial conversation years ago, public and academic interest in consciousness and its intersection with quantum mechanics has surged. Dean noted the success of the film “What the Bleep Do We Know?” as an example of this growing interest. He suggested that the cumulative evidence from various psi experiments is now compelling enough that it can’t be easily ignored.
Art asked whether the increasing public awareness of consciousness as a field or force might influence the results of experiments like the Global Consciousness Project. Dean affirmed that it could, explaining that motivation and public excitement can impact such experiments. Art then inquired about the potential for large-scale focused intention to affect complex systems, similar to the butterfly effect. Dean agreed, indicating that the data suggests this is possible. He explained that coherence, a concept from quantum mechanics, is crucial—it’s not just the quantity of attention but the quality and coherence of that attention that matter.
Dean explained the concept of entanglement in quantum mechanics, where particles that have interacted remain connected regardless of distance, reacting simultaneously without any communication traveling at light speed. This phenomenon, difficult to grasp with classical physics, suggests a holistic medium where everything is interconnected. Dean referenced David Bohm’s idea of the “implicate order,” an underlying reality where all things are interwoven, contrasting with the “explicate order” we perceive.
He used a metaphor of living in a giant bowl of clear jello, where any movement affects the entire medium, to illustrate how thoughts and actions might ripple through this interconnected field. This idea implies that the brain and its activities are entangled with the entire environment, potentially explaining phenomena like telepathy and remote viewing without invoking exotic forces.
Dean expressed optimism that conventional physics will eventually address these phenomena, suggesting that the ontological implications of quantum mechanics are still being explored and that future advancements in physics will likely provide a scientific understanding of psychic and mystical experiences. He anticipated that this breakthrough might come sooner than expected, possibly within the next decade, and hinted at the concept of “bio entanglement” as a key development.
Art and Dean concluded by discussing the potential ease with which future scientists might integrate these ideas, once understood, into a coherent framework, leading to a major shift in our understanding of consciousness and reality.
Dean elaborated on the concept of bio-entanglement, predicting that we will soon observe entanglement in living systems, starting with biomolecules and eventually in more complex organisms like bacteria. This progression supports his new book, “Entangled Minds,” which posits that human minds could also be entangled, allowing for information exchange without any detectable signals.
Art asked about the phenomenon of multiple inventors coming up with the same idea simultaneously, suggesting it might be due to some form of entanglement. Dean agreed, noting that inventors often work along similar lines, and a novel idea might arise simultaneously in multiple minds, resembling a large-scale correlation characteristic of an entangled system. This idea challenges the notion of individual ownership of ideas, proposing instead that ideas might belong to a collective consciousness.
Dean mentioned the upcoming Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) conference, which brings together leading thinkers in consciousness, healing, spirituality, psi research, and quantum physics. He highlighted the growing mainstream acceptance of consciousness studies within the scientific community, a significant shift from the fringe status it held 30 years ago.
Art and Dean discussed the “invisible college” of scientists interested in psi research who have been reluctant to talk openly due to taboo. This group is growing and becoming more vocal, with some distinguished academics now conducting their own psi research.
Dean discussed the potential for observing bio-entanglement in living systems, progressing from biomolecules to more complex organisms. His book “Entangled Minds” explores the idea that human minds could be entangled, enabling information exchange without traditional signals. He highlighted experiments suggesting people can exchange information unconsciously at a distance, which fits with quantum theory but not classical physics.
Art mentioned inventors having the same idea simultaneously, suggesting it could be a form of mind entanglement. Dean agreed, noting that this phenomenon resembles telepathy and may indicate a holistic system where ideas belong to a collective consciousness.
Dean invited listeners to the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) conference on “Consciousness and Healing,” emphasizing its growing importance and mainstream acceptance. Art remarked on the potential for these concepts to become integrated into scientific understanding within a few decades. Dean suggested the primary challenge would be developing new language and metaphors to describe these phenomena.
Art struggled with the idea of non-local communication, insisting that there must be a medium for interaction. Dean admitted the difficulty in finding suitable metaphors but referenced Eastern philosophy, comparing it to the ocean where individual entities are like droplets in a larger medium. He also used the metaphor of leaves on a tree connected by the same trunk, illustrating how apparent separateness can be an illusion.
They concluded that a major shift in worldview would be necessary, akin to the acceptance of Einstein’s theory of relativity. Dean noted that while there isn’t yet a singular figure like Einstein for this new understanding, the exploration of quantum mechanics’ implications continues to evolve.
Dean discussed the potential power associated with holistic connections in the universe, explaining that in a holistic medium, any action affects the entire system. This interconnectedness makes it difficult to study in a traditional sense, as it involves recursion at every level. He noted that this concept aligns with some interpretations of quantum mechanics, where everything is connected.
Art brought up remote viewing, asking if Dean had studied it skeptically. Dean confirmed he had, stating that remote viewing is similar to telepathy and precognition, all of which involve some form of connected information flow. Despite sounding implausible by common sense standards, the evidence for these phenomena is strong.
They discussed the rapid progress in these areas in China, where there are fewer scientific prejudices and cultural taboos, potentially allowing for a faster understanding. Dean acknowledged this possibility, noting that knowledge is power and any significant advancements could have profound implications.
Art then asked about remote influencing, the idea that intent and will could influence another person’s mind from a distance. Dean stated that laboratory evidence supports this concept, showing that a person’s thoughts can cause physiological responses in another person. While not extensively tested, it suggests that with the right training or talent, more significant effects could be possible, both positive and negative.
Dean mentioned that some spiritual beliefs hold that only positive influences can occur, while others, including witches, argue that intent can direct these forces positively or negatively. This relativity in defining good and bad further complicates understanding these phenomena.
Dean discussed the concept of negative remote influencing, noting that it is plausible based on existing knowledge. He emphasized that conventional methods are often easier and more reliable than trying to use psychic abilities for harmful purposes. However, he acknowledged the potential for such abilities to be developed and used intentionally, though he hoped this would not be the case.
They talked about the termination of the remote viewing program, with some remote viewers attributing its end to embarrassment rather than inefficacy. Dean agreed that the phenomena exist and some individuals are highly talented, but practical issues and the reliability of other technologies often take precedence.
Art inquired whether the government was paying attention to these phenomena, and Dean suggested that forward-looking individuals in the defense department are likely aware and interested, though whether they act on it is uncertain.
They discussed the reactions of the RNGs before significant events like 9/11, considering the possibility that it might be influenced by a broader consciousness beyond just humans. Dean shared an analysis of New Year’s transitions, particularly Y2K, noting that high-population time zones showed a more substantial effect than low-population ones. This suggested that the effects might indeed be related to human consciousness, as the areas with fewer people, like the Pacific Ocean, showed minimal impact. The evidence, while not overwhelmingly significant, indicated a correlation between human activity and the RNGs’ behavior.
Dean explained that Roger Nelson, the leader of the Global Consciousness Project, is retired but remains actively involved. The project has been refined and split into two parts: one focusing on the technical and scientific aspects, and the other on the aesthetic and poetic notions of global consciousness. The major analysts recently convened to discuss the future direction of the project, considering long-term trends and potential environmental influences.
One idea is to establish a parallel network to help determine whether the experimenters are influencing the results or if the effects originate from the world itself. This would involve not analyzing the second network’s data until the first network’s data has been examined. This method aims to reduce the possibility that the experimenters’ expectations are causing the observed effects.
Art inquired about the “love study,” which involved monitoring the physiological responses of bonded couples, where one partner is undergoing cancer treatment, while the other sends beneficial thoughts after undergoing training in compassionate intention. The study aimed to see if the partner’s body responded when the other was stimulated with a live video image. The results indicated a clear connection between one person’s thoughts and the other’s physiological response. However, the training seemed to have no significant effect, likely because trained senders became so relaxed through meditation that they didn’t react as strongly to stimuli.
Dean noted that the strong motivation of the couples involved made this experiment unique, as such motivation can’t be easily replicated in a typical lab setting. They found that the degree of response in the sender correlated with the receiver’s reaction, suggesting that the sender’s engagement level impacts the results.
Dean discussed a famous experiment featured on 20/20, where a dog seemed to know when its master was coming home at unpredictable times. Dean agreed this could be similar to the experiments he was conducting with human subjects, where physiological responses in receivers suggested they were picking up on attention being directed at them psychically. He noted that dogs might be more reactive than humans, and if they had the opportunity to scan through many humans, they could find individuals with similar sensitivity.
Art asked about the kinds of research being done privately. Dean mentioned telepathy research as quite advanced, with overwhelming evidence of its existence. He conducted a meta-analysis of telepathy experiments from 1974 to the previous year, revealing odds against chance of 29 quintillion to 1, indicating strong support for telepathy.
Dean highlighted precognition as a more radical and interesting area, where researchers are exploring unconscious precognitive responses in the body. These experiments, framed as studies on intuition or pre-conscious processing, have been replicated successfully by several groups.
Art asked about the RNGs’ responses before 9/11, which Dean described as a large-scale premonition. He related it to precognitive effects seen in some online games. Dean’s site, gotpsi.org, hosted games that included a card test measuring precognitive ability. Analysis of the data showed a significant drop in performance about two weeks before 9/11, which persisted until a day or two before the event, when it suddenly returned to chance levels. This pattern suggested a collective precognitive response to the impending event.
Dean continued explaining how a performance curve indicated people were missing the correct target significantly before 9/11, suggesting they were psychically repressing their abilities to avoid sensing the impending disaster. He found similar results in a remote viewing game on gotpsi.org, where users describe images that a computer randomly selects. Before 9/11, descriptions began to match themes related to the event, despite the images being benign.
On September 9, 2001, a user described an airliner against a stormy backdrop, two persons, and falling between tall buildings. Another entry mentioned a chaotic scene, something falling, and blasting. On September 10, a user described the White House disappearing and referenced U.S. power flexing muscles. These entries were chillingly accurate and appeared just before the 9/11 attacks.
Dean analyzed 900 trials from September 9 to 11, 2001, and compared them to a larger database of 256,000 trials. He looked for concept matches with words like airplane, falling, explode, fire, attack, terror, disaster, Pentagon, and smoke. This analysis aimed to detect a pattern indicating a collective premonition of the event.
Dean elaborated on the findings from the remote viewing game, revealing that there was a significant drop in “terrorism ideation” just before 9/11, similar to the drop in the card test performance. This indicated a repression effect where people subconsciously avoided thinking about impending disaster. He speculated that people might have had premonitions but repressed them to avoid the overwhelming feelings associated with the impending disaster.
Dean discussed tracking individual performance on the psi games, mentioning that while they had found individuals who initially performed well, performance anxiety often affected their subsequent results. This pattern suggested that while some people may demonstrate psi abilities spontaneously, replicating those results under pressure is challenging. Dean planned to revisit talent identification, particularly with remote viewing tests.
Art shared his personal experience of a powerful, undeniable instance of precognition that he couldn’t repeat, paralleling the challenges faced by those trying to consistently demonstrate psi abilities. Dean confirmed that while some people can perform psi tasks on demand, such talents are rare and often difficult to harness consistently.
Dean also noted that card tests, despite being a common method for psi testing, are mentally exhausting and boring, making sustained performance difficult. He mentioned plans to test an individual who claimed to have trained themselves to identify hidden playing cards, underscoring the importance of scientific rigor and confidentiality in such tests.
As they prepared to take calls from listeners, Dean emphasized his commitment to confidentiality for participants, distinguishing between scientific research and public performance. The first caller, Vivian from Seattle, introduced herself and her family’s long-time interest in the show, signaling the beginning of the listener interaction segment.
A caller named Vivian shared an experience of having the same dream simultaneously with her boyfriend, which Dean recognized as an example of “entangled minds.” Dean noted that spontaneous psychic events are often reported in the dream state, making them more common than people realize.
Another caller, Steven from Columbus, Georgia, recounted how his dog seemed to know she was about to die, going to lie next to her brother’s grave before passing away. Art and Dean agreed that animals might have a sense of their mortality, similar to humans. Dean mentioned that people near death often exhibit moments of clarity, suggesting an awareness of their impending death.
Jonathan from New Orleans asked about the random generators’ activity around the time of the tsunami and how the random numbers are generated. Dean explained that they hadn’t partitioned the data for that region but provided a description of the generators as “electronic coin flippers” based on quantum events. He reiterated that 186 formal events have shown significant results with odds of 50,000 to 1 against chance.
Dean emphasized that numbers alone won’t convince skeptics; a coherent theory and personal experimentation are also necessary. He noted that psychic phenomena are common, with 50-70% of people admitting to such experiences, driving scientific curiosity and investigation.
Dean shared his journey into psi research, starting from a scientific skepticism and progressing through controlled experiments that yielded significant results. He emphasized that controlled experiments provide solid evidence compared to spontaneous experiences, which are subject to biases and self-deception.
A caller named John from Los Angeles asked about the relationship between the random number generators (RNGs) and consciousness. Dean explained that the hypothesis is if the mind and matter are connected, significant global events that focus collective attention (coherence) might influence the RNGs to become more ordered, which is detectable.
Another caller, Jamie from Greenville, Texas, proposed that the brain, like an odds-maker, processes all incoming information and calculates probabilities, sending signals when something significant is about to happen. Dean agreed, noting that the brain likely operates this way for everyday events as well.
A caller raised concerns about the potential sinister use of such research, suggesting it could be part of a black ops project for mind control. Dean acknowledged that any field or force, if manipulable, could potentially be used for negative purposes, highlighting the dual-use nature of many scientific discoveries.
Dean discussed the potential for psi abilities to be used for both positive and negative purposes, acknowledging that fear of the unknown often drives concerns about their sinister applications. He emphasized that intent, motivation, and novelty are crucial factors in the success of psi experiments, noting that those with strong intent, such as individuals with extreme motivation, might achieve more impactful results.
A caller from the Pacific Northwest mentioned using the psi games on the Got Psi website to enhance their psychic abilities and asked if these games could genuinely improve such skills. Dean confirmed that consistent practice with these games could indeed enhance one’s intuitive abilities, much like any disciplined mental training.
Another caller asked why premonitions and precognitive experiences often seem to involve death. Dean explained that issues of life and death are inherently significant and motivational, making them more likely subjects for strong psychic experiences.
Art brought up George Meek’s work on Spiritcom and EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena), asking for Dean’s opinion. Dean acknowledged the remarkable nature of Meek’s work but suggested that the human operator might play a significant role in producing these phenomena. He noted that in mediumship research, discerning whether the source of information is from spirits or the human mind is challenging. Dean expressed a desire for evidence of consciousness survival after death but remained skeptical, as current evidence primarily pertains to psi abilities in the living.
ean explained that his examination of the evidence using Occam’s Razor suggests that psi phenomena are likely related to the living rather than the departed. While he is open to the possibility of consciousness surviving after death, he hasn’t found convincing evidence yet. He emphasized that the connection between mind and brain is crucial, and psychic abilities don’t necessarily imply that consciousness is separate from the brain.
Art concluded by highlighting the significance of their discussion and encouraging listeners to read Dean’s book, “The Conscious Universe,” for more insights. The segment ended with Art expressing his belief in the importance of the topics covered and thanking Dean for his participation.