Art sets the tone for an interesting night, emphasizing the show’s rules about language and call-in etiquette, and expresses his gratitude towards the technical team for their sound quality, particularly highlighting recent improvements in archive encoding.
Art then reflects on the previous night’s show, which featured Blanche Barton, the High Priestess of the Church of Satan and Anton LaVey’s partner. He admits to being ‘had’ by her smooth, articulate demeanor, contrasting with the expected ominous portrayal of Satanism. Art describes his post-show realization about Barton’s approach to discussing Satanism, emphasizing subtlety and intelligence over sensationalism. He invites listeners to re-experience the previous show with this new perspective.
The episode takes an introspective turn as Art contemplates the cunning and deceptive nature of Satan, portrayed through Barton’s interview. He characterizes her not only as a key figure in the Church of Satan but also as a true embodiment of its essence. Art encourages listeners to revisit the interview, claiming it offers a more profound and unsettling insight into Satanism than initially perceived.
Art likens Barton’s communication style to that of a skilled attorney, metaphorically describing her as ‘counsel to the devil.’ He expresses how profoundly the interview affected him and challenges listeners to re-evaluate their perceptions of the show.
Art introduces Andrew Basiago, a lawyer with extensive academic qualifications, including degrees from UCLA and Cambridge. Basiago’s background is impressive, having been a participant in two secret U.S. defense projects during the 1970s and 1980s. One of these was Project Pegasus, a pioneering U.S. time-space exploration program, and the other was the CIA’s Mars Jump Room program, aimed at establishing a human presence on Mars.
Basiago shares his mission to reveal his experiences in these projects, intending to enlighten humanity about our planet’s technical advancements and our outer space activities. In this particular episode, the focus is on his experiences in Project Pegasus. Basiago begins by teasing a “quantum bombshell” about time travel, which he plans to reveal in the third hour of the show. He acknowledges Art’s past coverage on time travel, indicating that his revelation is a significant contribution to this field.
Art and Basiago discuss the early days of Basiago’s involvement in these projects, tracing back to his childhood. Basiago explains that DARPA’s Project Pegasus was a classified defense research and development project under the U.S. Department of Defense. This project aimed to develop time-space exploration capabilities, resulting in various forms of time travel, ranging from psychic techniques to physical travel.
Basiago emphasizes the historical significance of these revelations, outlining the development of time travel within the U.S. defense technical community. He also clears up a misunderstanding about a previous scheduled appearance on the show, explaining technical difficulties that led to its postponement.
The discussion then shifts to DARPA’s role in exploring unconventional and cutting-edge technologies, with Basiago citing an incident from 1952 when extraterrestrial crafts were sighted over Washington D.C., moving at speeds beyond contemporary human capabilities. This event, reported by major news outlets like the Washington Post, led to the conclusion that extraterrestrial visitors possessed advanced teleportation or time travel capabilities.
Basiago details his father’s entry into the world of classified defense-related research, which began in the 1950s. His father, working at the Curtiss-Wright Aeronautical Company, was instrumental in designing a metal alloy for a ramjet plane to withstand atmospheric and space conditions. This work was part of an effort to respond to sightings of extraterrestrial craft.
Basiago then describes his father’s subsequent career path, including his time at the Thomas Edison Research Laboratory in West Orange, New Jersey. Here, his father collaborated with notable scientists and engineers, contributing to the development of various electronic components. Significantly, Basiago reveals that his father was tasked by the U.S. government to replicate Nikola Tesla’s teleportation experiments, which marked the inception of Project Pegasus.
Basiago discusses Tesla’s influence on the project, mentioning several individuals who acknowledged Tesla’s contribution to teleportation theory and practice. Among them were his father, Jack Pruitt (a team leader on Project Pegasus), and Dr. Robert Beckwith, who would later earn numerous patents and contribute to the formation of Intel Corporation.
Basiago then shifts to address the Philadelphia Experiment, a well-known time travel and teleportation conspiracy theory. He claims that the popular narrative of the Philadelphia Experiment is a cover story created by the Office of Naval Intelligence. According to Basiago, the real experiment was closely linked to Project Pegasus and was the “secret twin” of the Manhattan Project, which developed the atomic bomb. He suggests that by the time he joined Project Pegasus in 1968, Tesla’s teleportation technology had been perfected for human use.
The discussion touches upon the similarities between the alleged technology used in the Philadelphia Experiment and that of time travel. Basiago acknowledges the common narrative as a cover story, with significant differences in what really happened. He cites various sources, including interviews and investigations conducted over decades, to support his claims about the true nature of these projects and their historical context.
Andrew Basiago delves deeper into the details of the Philadelphia Experiment, challenging the widely accepted narrative. He claims that the actual experiment did not involve the USS Eldridge at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, but rather a different ship, the Martha’s Vineyard, in Long Island Sound. Contrary to the popular story of sailors being fused to the ship’s deck, Basiago mentions only one casualty, a sailor impaled due to a teleportation mishap.
Basiago reveals that the experiment was not about radar invisibility but was an attempt at Tesla teleportation, initiated as a response to the Nazi navy’s threat during World War II. He asserts that the key figures involved were not Albert Einstein or John von Neumann, as commonly believed, but Manhattan Project physicists J. Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller, the latter of whom Basiago claims to have met during his childhood involvement in Project Pegasus.
He describes this information as having been frequently discussed by Dr. Robert Beckwith, a colleague in Project Pegasus, during their meetings. Beckwith, along with others like Harold Agnew, the director of the Los Alamos National Labs, and Ivan Browning, the director of Science and Technology for the CIA, would often correct misconceptions about the real Philadelphia Experiment at these gatherings.
Art then shifts the conversation to explore the eight modalities of time travel that Basiago mentioned earlier. Basiago categorizes these modalities along a spectrum, starting with psychic time travel such as conventional remote viewing on one end, and progressing to physical forms of time travel on the other. He shares a personal anecdote about his involvement in remote viewing exercises for the Office of Naval Intelligence as early as 1969, including a task related to locating then Lieutenant Commander John McCain in the Hanoi Hilton POW camp during the Vietnam War.
Basiago also touches on the more esoteric aspects of his experiences, including induced out-of-body experiences and encounters with what he describes as the technical infrastructure of a hologram they called “the matrix.”
Basiago explains the concept of ‘astral time travel,’ describing how their minds were detached from their bodies to travel to different places and times, a process he likens to shamanic practices.
Basiago then moves on to describe the ‘chrono visor,’ an electro-optical device used in the project. This device created dense holograms capable of lensing non-local events (from the past or future) into the present, allowing observers to witness these events as if they were happening in real-time. He notes that during his time in the project, the chrono visors were still experimental and faced issues with stability and focus.
One of the remarkable applications of the chrono visor, as described by Basiago, was its use in sending him to specific historical events. He shares an anecdote about being sent multiple times to Ford’s Theater on April 14, 1865, to observe the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln. Basiago recounts a surreal experience of seeing himself in the theater due to the paradox of being sent to the same event multiple times, leading to a duplication of his presence.
Art then asks about Basiago’s father’s involvement in the project. Basiago confirms that his father was a principal figure in Project Pegasus and details his own first experience with Tesla teleportation at the age of six and a half. He describes being teleported from New Jersey to New Mexico and his father’s role in introducing him to the project and its key figures.
The conversation touches on the ethical considerations of involving a child in such experimental and potentially dangerous activities. Art, reflecting on his role as a father, questions how Basiago’s father reconciled the risks involved with his son’s participation in the project.
Basiago explains that the project was operating under the looming threats of extraterrestrial visitors (referred to as “the Grays”) and the potential of a Soviet military invasion. These threats led to a sense of urgency in developing advanced technologies, including time travel and teleportation.
Basiago recounts a conversation between his father and Raymond Kubik, his father’s supervisor, about the ethical implications of involving children in the project. His father justified his decision by emphasizing the importance of advancing human civilization and maintaining autonomy against potential threats from extraterrestrials and other nations. Basiago’s father, having been a combat medic in World War II and witnessed much death, may have had a different perspective on risk, believing that the benefits of the project outweighed the potential dangers.
The involvement of children in Project Pegasus had two primary purposes. First, children were used as experimenters to test the mental and physical effects of Tesla teleportation. This testing was crucial for ensuring the safety of important figures like the President of the United States and their families, who were expected to use the technology. The second reason for involving children was their necessity for the project, particularly with the use of the chrono visor. Unlike Tesla teleportation, the chrono visor allowed for unlimited travel back in time without the risk of being stranded in the past. Basiago shares an experience of being sent back to 100 million BC to observe dinosaurs, highlighting the extensive experimentation with chrono vision due to its unbounded time travel capabilities.
Andrew Basiago reveals that children were chosen for their intellectual abilities and potential to be the first generation of adult American “chrono knights.” This decision was made over using diminutive adults because of the practicalities involved in operating the unstable chrono visor technology. Basiago mentions being part of a sidebar discussion where Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Attaché to Project Pegasus, talked about sending children like him to the Naval Academy as a pretext for their future involvement in project activities.
Basiago also delves into the contingency plans devised for situations where teleportation could result in being stranded in time. He recounts specific instructions given to them in case they ended up in a different time period – to find a responsible adult, like a parish priest, sheriff, or mayor, and ask to be adopted into their household.
A notable incident Basiago shares is a quantum excursion where his team teleported to 1991 instead of their intended time. Realizing they had jumped 20 years into the future, they sought help from the security chief of the New Mexico State Capitol Complex. Basiago, as the captain of the “Blue Team,” took charge and explained their situation to the security chief, eventually convincing him to contact Sandia National Labs for assistance.
Basiago describes a quantum excursion incident where his team was accidentally transported to 1991 instead of their intended target year, 1971. The team, realizing they were in the wrong time, sought help and were eventually aided by a physicist who arranged for their return to 1971.
Basiago then discusses the paradoxes associated with time travel, particularly addressing the ‘grandfather paradox’ and the ‘kill Hitler paradox.’ He explains that in quantum physics, the concept of the collapse of the wave function suggests that the present falls into existence and continues through the time stream. He refutes the idea of creating alternate timelines or “bubbles” when attempting to change the past, asserting that any attempt to alter past events occurs within the original event timeline.
He uses an example from 1972, where he was sent back to the day of Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address in 1863, and was photographed there. This photograph is presented as evidence of his time travel experience. Basiago also mentions providing a photograph of himself from kindergarten, taken a year before he first experienced teleportation, to illustrate how young he was when he started participating in these experiments.
Art Bell highlights the significance of these photographs for Basiago’s story, particularly the one allegedly depicting him at the age of ten in Gettysburg in 1863. However, he notes the lack of clarity in the photograph, which makes it difficult to definitively identify Basiago.
Basiago describes a specific photograph, which he claims shows him fading from view due to the wearing off of a plasma confinement effect used in time travel. This photograph, according to Basiago, is significant for several reasons:
- Lincoln at Gettysburg: It is one of the few surviving photographs showing Abraham Lincoln in Gettysburg on the day of his famous address.
- Non-Human Entity: Next to Basiago in the photograph, there appears to be a partially visible entity, which he suggests is not human but an extraterrestrial or interdimensional being. This claim is based on the unusual appearance of the entity and the fact that the photograph’s negatives are classified.
- Time Travel Evidence: Basiago asserts that this photograph is the first bona fide image of a time traveler from the future captured in the past. He recounts showing the photograph to his father, a defense engineer, who acknowledged Basiago’s presence in the image but advised him not to talk about it.
- Meeting His Father in the Past: Basiago mentions an encounter with his father at the event, where they both appeared differently aged due to being sent from different years in the present.
- Photograph of Disappearing: Another photograph is discussed, which supposedly shows Basiago disappearing as he returns to 1972, adding to the collection of paradoxical evidence he presents for his time travel experiences.
Andrew Basiago continues to delve into the complexities of time travel and its paradoxes. He focuses on a photograph that he claims captures him disappearing due to the plasma confinement effect wearing off during his time travel. He asserts that this photograph is significant evidence of time travel, showing an x-ray-like image of his teeth and skull as he fades from view.
Basiago discusses the reasons for his time travel to the Gettysburg Address. He explains that his father, involved in the project, presented it as an honor or treat for his service in the time travel experiments. This trip to see President Lincoln give the Gettysburg Address was a kind of reward for his efforts. He also speculates that they might have sent him because his father had met him there in a previous time travel incident, ensuring the continuity of their encounters across timelines.
He then addresses the concept of retro causation in quantum physics, explaining how his presence in the 1863 photograph is both a result of his 1972 time travel and a pre-existing element of history. From the perspective of 1863, he arrived as a time traveler and was always part of that historical moment. Conversely, from the perspective of 1972, he needed to travel back to 1863 to ensure his presence in the photograph. Basiago argues that this demonstrates how the past is immutable in time travel, suggesting that any changes made were always part of history.
Basiago clarifies that going back in time doesn’t create a second timeline but involves participating in the original event. This challenges the notion of creating alternate realities or timelines as a result of time travel, a common theme in theoretical discussions about the subject.
Basiago then talks about the coronavirus being unreliable for intelligence gathering. He shares that every time they were sent to the “same” past event using the chrono visor, it would be a slightly different version, suggesting the existence of multiple, slightly varied timelines. He gives an example of different people taking tickets each time he visited Ford’s Theater, indicating small but noticeable changes in events across timelines.
The discussion then moves to the idea that while major historical events (like Lincoln’s assassination or the Beatles’ success) remain constant across timelines, smaller, more interstitial events are highly mutable. Basiago uses his experiences of visiting the Lincoln assassination across multiple timelines to illustrate this point.
Basiago also shares an intriguing aspect of his time travel experiences: being given extra summers. He explains how they would teleport to New Mexico, spend an entire summer there, and then return to the East Coast, arriving only an hour after they had originally left, despite having spent months away. This led to him being biologically older than his chronological age.
Basiago discusses a time travel experience to 100 million BC in Arizona, describing a vivid scene with long-necked dinosaurs in a rust-red environment reminiscent of Sedona. He details the process of fading back to the present as the plasma confinement effect wore off, an experience he compares to a chalk painting fading away.
Basiago then explains the operational constraints of the chrono visor technology. If they remained in the past (“in country”) for more than 15 minutes, a density effect would occur, necessitating the insertion of a portal into the hologram for their return. He describes a physical apparatus resembling a soccer goal that they were trained to run towards to initiate the return process.
He shares that his last time travel experience was in 1984 as part of the “Jump Room” program, speculated to involve travel to Mars. Basiago also mentions a technical exercise in 1989 during his first year of law school, where he was summoned by the CIA to participate in an experiment to stabilize his time-space location.
Basiago then reflects on his motivation for coming forward with his story. He talks about his professional impasse in his mid-to-late thirties, which gave him time to reflect on his childhood experiences with Project Pegasus. He resisted attempts to suppress his memories and felt a moral duty to share his experiences, including working with prominent physicists and engineers involved in the development of time travel.
The secrecy of Project Pegasus is compared to the Manhattan Project, emphasizing its small scale and the intentional lack of a paper trail to maintain its confidentiality. He describes standing on a red earth ridge and witnessing two huge, long-necked dinosaurs. As the plasma confinement effect began to wear off, his surroundings started to fade, and he returned to the present.
Basiago then discusses the reliability of the coronavirus as a time travel device. He explains that while major events remained constant across timelines, smaller details, like who was taking tickets at Ford’s Theater on the night of Lincoln’s assassination, would change with each visit.
He reflects on the process of coming forward with his story, noting his efforts to verify his experiences through research and contacting individuals involved in the project. He recalls a conversation with Dr. Agnew, who initially denied involvement but later indirectly confirmed the existence of the teleportation project.
Basiago also addresses skepticism regarding his motivations, acknowledging that while he plans to write a book and potentially adapt his story into a movie, his primary motive is to share the significance of his experiences. He recounts further investigative efforts, including speaking with Joseph Coniston, a colleague of his father’s at the Ralph M. Parsons Company, who initially denied involvement but later inadvertently confirmed the existence of the time travel project.
The segment also touches on the possibility of physically bringing items or people back through time travel. Basiago explains that it is possible through chrono vision if the person or item is carried through the portal, although it’s not feasible with teleportation due to the risk of being stranded in the past.
Basiago recalls being told in 1972 that the project would deny any communication with him and that if anyone inquired, they would deny the existence of the project and his involvement. Despite this, he maintained occasional contact with key figures from the project, including Jack Pruitt.
Basiago shares insights he gained from overhearing conversations about future events and technological developments while with the project. He believes that teleportation technology was secretly established at U.S. military bases and has been used to transport executive branch officials around the world since at least the Carter administration.
Addressing the risks of disclosing his experiences, Basiago recounts a meeting in 2003 with a representative from the executive office of the president. This individual acknowledged the existence of Project Pegasus and Basiago’s involvement but warned him that his safety could not be guaranteed if he continued to investigate and discuss the project’s technologies.
Basiago then teases what he calls a “quantum bombshell” related to time travel and his views on the future of teleportation technology. He expresses hope that the technology will be declassified under the leadership of a committed president and reveals his intention to run for the presidency in 2016 as an independent candidate, aiming to promote the declassification of life-advancing technologies.
Andrew Basiago explains that in 1972, participants were told they would no longer be communicated with, and any inquiries about the project would be denied. However, he occasionally had contact with some project members, including Jack Pruitt.
Basiago recalls overhearing discussions about future events and technological developments during his time with the project. He speculates that teleportation technology has been secretly implemented at U.S. military bases since the Carter administration and believes it has been used to transport executive branch officials quickly and discreetly.
He then shares a personal experience of “slipping” in time after his time travel activities. This phenomenon caused him to experience brief lapses in the present, leading to his late arrival at classes. In 1980, his father arranged for him to undergo a procedure intended to correct these time slips, which involved teleporting him back and forth between different locations.
Basiago also discusses an advanced chrono visor probe in 1971, where he and others were sent to the year 2013 at the U.S. Supreme Court building, which they observed to be under about 100 feet of brackish water. He notes that this vision from the probe didn’t materialize in actual 2013, suggesting that the probe might have accessed an alternate timeline.
Basiago shares a remarkable story about his encounter with a young technician during a time travel experiment in 1971, who he claims was Art Bell, the host of the show. Basiago recounts visiting a facility where an advanced chrono visor was being tested. A young technician, frustrated with keeping the hologram stable, was identified as “Arthur William Bell III,” and Basiago suggests this technician was a younger version of Art Bell.
Basiago’s revelation leads Art Bell to confirm that he indeed worked for ITT in Nutley, New Jersey, as a technician on a secret government project, verifying part of Basiago’s story. Bell expresses surprise and contemplation over how Basiago could have known this, given that it’s a part of his life he hadn’t publicly shared.
Basiago then discusses the concept of timelines and how a single decision could have resulted in different career paths, suggesting that Bell could have worked on chrono vision technology instead of waveguide propagation due to decisions made by higher authorities, like the Vatican.
He also brings up the origins of chrono vision in the early 1940s, attributed to Vatican musicologists Pellegrino Ernetti and Agostino Gemelli, who inadvertently discovered a time travel device while investigating harmonic patterns in Gregorian chants.
A caller corrects a biblical reference made earlier in the show, and another caller questions Basiago about his connection to Barack Obama. Basiago claims that Obama, under the name “Barry Soetoro,” participated in the Mars Jump Room program, an assertion corroborated by other participants. He recalls sharing a dorm room with Obama and mentions several instances where they encountered each other in the program.
Another caller questions the authenticity of a photograph depicting Basiago in the past, noting discrepancies in size and perspective. Basiago explains that these anomalies are due to the time-space effects he was experiencing, with parts of his body materializing differently due to the plasma confinement effect wearing off.
Basiago addresses a caller’s question about whether his travel to Mars was on a different timeline than the one we currently live in. Basiago suggests that they might have been accessing either the past or future of Mars, or possibly a synthetic quantum environment that replicated Mars.
He also talks about the possibility of traveling to different versions of Mars and how their experiences included holographic anomalies, indicating that it might not have been purely spatial travel but involved temporal and holographic elements.
Andrew Basiago discusses the physical and medical side effects of time travel, mentioning that child teleports later developed a disease similar to diabetes and that adult teleporters experienced heart valve defects.
Basiago addresses a caller’s question about causality and time travel. He explains that time travel disrupts conventional notions of causality, where the effect precedes the cause. By traveling back in time, one participates in the original event, thereby creating the effect before the cause is offered. This concept challenges our basic understanding of cause and effect established from early infancy.
Responding to another caller’s question about the future, Basiago touches on the ethical dilemma of whether governments should use time travel to bring back future technologies for current benefit. He mentions that there was reluctance to do this due to concerns about disrupting developmental timelines and the introduction of technologies without the necessary infrastructure for maintenance or repair.
One caller asks whether it’s possible to go back in time to prevent a medical condition, like hearing loss, from occurring. Basiago explains that while you can participate in past events through time travel, you cannot change what has already happened because you’re part of the original event. This means you could potentially warn your past self, but since the past shows the condition developed, it indicates that no intervention occurred.
Another caller inquires about any physical changes Basiago experienced due to time travel. Basiago mentions that there were medical side effects. For example, child teleports in adulthood developed a disease similar to diabetes, and adults who teleported developed heart valve defects due to the vibrational effects within the teleportation tunnel.
A caller from Switzerland asks about the implications of time travel on causality. Basiago discusses how time travel disrupts traditional notions of cause and effect, with the effect preceding the cause in cases of time travel. He emphasizes that time travel complicates our understanding of causality, which we usually learn from infancy.
Responding to another caller’s question about future medical advancements, Basiago shares that his time travels were mostly to the past, and his brief visits to the future did not provide comprehensive insights into future medical breakthroughs. However, he did notice that young people in the future were taller, suggesting improved nutrition and possibly genetic engineering.
Basiago also discusses the potential risks of widespread public access to time travel, advocating for its regulation to avoid societal chaos. He argues for the declassification and deployment of Tesla teleportation for real-time travel, emphasizing the importance of controlling time travel to prevent disorder.
Andrew Basiago wraps up his discussion with Art Bell. He expresses gratitude for the opportunity to share his experiences and for being able to present his “quantum bombshell” on the show. Basiago mentions that he enjoyed delving deep into the material during the broadcast and found it to be a classic episode.
Basiago doesn’t have any specific promotions but encourages listeners to join his Facebook group, Project Pegasus, where he continues his discourse on time travel. He reiterates his commitment to advocating for the declassification of teleportation technology and mentions his intention to run for president, aiming to fight for this cause.
Art Bell thanks Basiago for his participation and insightful contributions to the show, acknowledging the potential for future programs featuring Basiago. The show ends with Bell bidding farewell to the audience and wrapping up the night’s program.