The discussion begins with Art outlining the show’s simple rules: no bad language and only one call per show. He extends his gratitude to various team members and sponsors. Art then delves into a topic that deeply troubles him: the Inupiat elders’ claim that the Earth has shifted. This assertion, according to the elders, is causing climate changes and altering the positions of the sun, moon, and stars, leading to unpredictable weather patterns. This topic particularly gnaws at Art, causing him concern.
Art also touches upon the public’s growing anxiety about potential events in September, as speculated on the internet, though he personally remains skeptical. He then shifts to discuss current events, including random shootings targeting vehicles in Arizona, the presence of Russian troops in Syria, reminiscent of Cold War tensions, and an intriguing discovery in South Africa. Here, caver Steven Tucker found remains in a cave, believed to be a new member of the human family tree, approximately 2 million years old. This discovery seems to support evolutionary theory, depicting a creature that appears half human, half ape.
Art introduces Professor David Pares, President of Space Warp Dynamics LLC, who discusses the development of the first functional space warp motor. Pares, also an adjunct professor at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, teaches astronomy, meteorology, geography, and geology, and has taught college physics for over six years.
Art briefly addresses a comment from his Facebook page regarding the amount of time he spends talking about audio quality on the show, proving it’s less than claimed by timing a quick segment on how to improve call-in audio quality using Skype.
The conversation then turns to Professor Pares’s personal experiences that led him to his current research. He recounts a life-changing sighting of a silver disc in 1969 near Goodyear Lake in upstate New York. This encounter inspired his lifelong pursuit to replicate the flight he witnessed. Art shares his own experience of witnessing an unexplained aerial phenomenon, describing a silent, gigantic triangular craft that moved slowly over him, leaving a lasting impression.
Pares further describes the craft he saw as a silent, 60 feet in diameter saucer with a 12-foot girth, emphasizing the absence of sound or emissions. This encounter deeply influenced his career path, leading him to focus on sciences and engineering with the goal of understanding and replicating the propulsion system of the craft he witnessed.
Continuing the conversation, Art Bell discusses with Professor David Pares his involvement with MUFON (Mutual UFO Network), where Pares serves as the State Director for Nebraska. They touch upon the increase in UFO sightings in Nebraska and the challenges in distinguishing genuine sightings from misidentified objects, such as lanterns or drones.
Professor Pares shares the sophisticated techniques they use to analyze UFO sighting reports. They employ fractal analysis software to detect whether photos have been tampered with, a critical tool in determining the authenticity of UFO images. However, distinguishing a dressed-up drone in an authentic photo remains a challenge.
Pares also discusses his academic role, teaching multiple courses across different colleges. He reveals his involvement in university clubs related to UFO studies and the paranormal, indicating a broader acceptance of these topics in academic settings. These clubs provide a platform for students and public organizations to share techniques and technologies related to UFO and paranormal research.
Interestingly, Pares asserts that his colleagues do not mock his interest in UFOs. Instead, the geography and geology departments support these endeavors, providing space for meetings and studies. This supportive environment enables Pares and his students to explore various aspects of UFO research, ranging from abductions to propulsion theories.
The segment concludes with a significant revelation: Pares claims to have developed or built a functional warp drive. This assertion implies a groundbreaking advancement in propulsion technology, although Art Bell playfully suggests that if this were true, Pares might be discussing it with higher authorities rather than on a radio show.
Pares shares that for the past three and a half years, his team has been in a testing mode, building the necessary hardware for a functional space warp motor. The team comprises eight members, including technical experts and specialists in business and communications, who collaborate electronically from various locations.
Pares explains that they are currently working on their 14th model, incorporating new fractal arrays into the design. These arrays are inspired by natural phenomena observed in thunderstorms, where pilots have reported unexpected linear displacements, finding themselves hundreds of miles away from their expected locations. Pares refers to Bruce Gorton’s well-documented experience from December 1970 as a prime example. Gorton, who Pares has met and flown with, reported being displaced in space after flying into a thunderstorm.
The story of Bruce Gorton’s flight becomes a focal point. On a trip to Andros Island in the Caribbean, Gorton experienced unusual weather phenomena. As he approached Bimini, storm clouds formed a 30-mile diameter circle around his aircraft, reaching altitudes of 65,000 feet. Pares describes how Gorton, flying a Beech Bonanza, navigated through a gap between the clouds, which began to rotate and touch the wingtips of his aircraft. This led to a greyish-white ionization effect on the plane, which Gorton referred to as “electronic fog.”
Pares links this phenomenon to his space warp research, suggesting that such natural occurrences provide insights into the mechanisms of spatial displacement and warp technology.
Professor David Pares further elaborates on Bruce Gorton’s mysterious flight experience. As Gorton flew through the thunderstorm, he experienced a brief feeling of weightlessness, and his instruments began to malfunction, with his compass spinning erratically. Despite these challenges, he maintained control of the aircraft.
Pares then draws a connection between Gorton’s experience and the theoretical concepts of warp drive proposed by Miguel Alcubierre in 1994. He suggests that Gorton’s experience fits the criteria of a non-sustainable warp bubble, which could explain his sudden linear displacement from Bimini to Miami Beach. This hypothesis is supported by radar operators who could not locate Gorton’s aircraft in Bimini but found it over Miami Beach shortly afterward.
Pares calculates that Gorton might have traveled the 100 miles from Bimini to Miami Beach in about a second, implying a speed of around 360,000 miles per hour, far beyond the capabilities of Gorton’s aircraft. This extraordinary speed leads Pares to conclude that the aircraft itself did not achieve this velocity, but rather it was the effect of a warp bubble.
Upon landing in West Palm Beach, Gorton refueled his aircraft and found that he had used nine gallons less fuel than expected for such a journey, adding another layer of mystery to the story.
Pares also mentions other cases of unexplained aircraft displacements, not limited to the Bermuda Triangle. He cites an instance in England where a pilot was displaced after flying through a thunderstorm, and a case involving a C-97 aircraft experiencing a similar displacement from Kwajalein to Guam.
Professor David Pares discusses the phenomenon of thunderstorms generating antimatter, a discovery confirmed by the Fermi spacecraft in 2010. He explains that trillions of positrons, a form of antimatter, are produced within thunderstorms around the world, leading to the annihilation of matter and antimatter, which generates significant energy.
Pares delves into the specifics of how these energy fields in thunderstorms could facilitate the kind of linear displacements experienced by pilots like Bruce Gorton. He theorizes that between two thunderstorms, there is a ‘sweet spot’ in the freezing level where the fields cross, creating conditions for spatial displacement. This theory aligns with the experiences of pilots who have reported such anomalies, including another World War II pilot in England.
Pares underscores the significance of these energy fields and the triple fields existing within cloud structures, suggesting that they are responsible for displacing aircraft over long distances. He shares his extensive background in weather observation, forecasting, and aviation, which underpins his investigations into these phenomena.
He also touches on the skepticism and dismissal often faced by pilots reporting these experiences. Despite being discounted by others, Pares believes there is a legitimate and remarkable effect at play. He conducted a detailed investigation into 35 cases in the Bermuda Triangle, analyzing weather conditions and patterns associated with these mysterious disappearances.
Pares then compares thunderstorms in the Bermuda Triangle with those in the central United States. He notes that oceanic thunderstorms, fueled by heated water and variable winds aloft, are particularly conducive to creating unstable conditions that might lead to these unusual events. He describes a personal experience where visibility was severely reduced due to hazy conditions, making it difficult to locate another aircraft in the sky. Pares explains that these cloud structures can create illusions of phantom islands, further complicating navigation for pilots without GPS or expert navigation skills.
Pares then delves into the physics behind these phenomena, discussing how energy from space, such as solar winds, can interact with the atmosphere, particularly in the upper layers, altering atmospheric conditions. He mentions the concept of flux transfer, a process where excess energy from space enters the Earth’s atmosphere.
The conversation takes a turn as Art Bell briefly interrupts for a commercial break. Upon returning, Bell mentions an incident involving high voltage and displacement, teasing a connection to the ongoing discussion with Pares.
Pares affirms the reality of the electronic fog phenomenon and its effect on displacing objects. He shares that his experiments have been more than encouraging, as they have been able to replicate the internal functions of these fields found in thunderstorms. Originally, Pares planned to test these theories by flying a UAV through a thunderstorm and observing its displacement. However, the plan was abandoned due to safety concerns and the reluctance of pilots to participate in what was perceived as a dangerous experiment.
Instead, Pares shifted his focus to replicating these conditions in a laboratory setting. He explains that his team built a set of basic antennas tuned to specific frequencies, representing the freezing level within thunderstorms. While he does not disclose the exact frequency used, citing its significance to their special arrays, Pares emphasizes the results they’ve achieved with these frequencies.
He concludes by mentioning that while they share some results on their website and Facebook, they hold back certain discoveries, underscoring the proprietary nature of their research and findings.
Professor David Pares continues his explanation of the experiments conducted in his laboratory. He describes using an interferometer to observe the effects of their warp drive device on a laser beam. When the device was turned on, they observed that the laser beam compressed on the projection screen, indicating a change in the light’s behavior. This effect was absent when the device was off.
Pares also conducted redshift tests to determine if the frequency of light was being altered by the device. The results confirmed a redshift, suggesting that frequencies were being pulled into the device. He notes that the device appears to pull objects towards its V-shape, an unusual characteristic as it does not operate on thrust but on a principle of attraction.
Further experiments involved a torsion bar with weights attached, enclosed in a glass case. When the device was activated, it pulled both ferrous and nonferrous materials towards it, regardless of the material type. Pares emphasizes that these experiments were conducted with minimal power, initially less than 100 watts, and they are now scaling up to 4000 watts. He notes an exponential increase in the effect with higher wattages.
Pares draws a parallel between his work and the EM Drive developed by NASA, which also uses microwaves to create thrust. He points out that while the EM Drive is being considered as a potential replacement for current ion drives, his motor works on a different principle, altering the fabric of space to create movement.
The results of these experiments, according to Pares, are impressive. For instance, with 900 watts of power, they observed a 20-centimeter linear displacement on their projection screen, which translates to a force of 0.36 newtons. He has published predictive line charts on Facebook to showcase their findings, indicating the significant progress and potential implications of their research in understanding and manipulating space-time.
Professor David Pares continues to detail the progression and future goals of his warp drive project. He mentions working on multiple jobs and dedicating his limited free time to conducting tests in the lab. Pares emphasizes the meticulous nature of these experiments, including consistent monitoring of environmental factors like temperature and humidity.
Pares shares his projections for the future of his warp drive technology. With the goal of reaching 4000 watts, he anticipates generating around 2000 newtons of force. He describes a quarter-scale spacecraft model they are constructing, a seven-foot by seven-foot version of a 30 by 30 full-scale model. The intention is to demonstrate the spacecraft’s ability to fly, as tangible proof is what people need to believe in the technology.
Addressing the lack of interest from organizations like NASA, Pares insists on the need for his technology to enter the public domain and contribute to a space-based economy. He believes his warp drive could revolutionize transportation systems, allowing for incredibly fast travel, such as crossing the Atlantic in less than a minute. This could lead to significant fuel savings and open up new possibilities for space exploration and manufacturing.
Pares envisions a future where space travel becomes much more affordable and accessible, reducing the cost of transporting materials to space dramatically. He speculates about the potential to travel to distant planets like Pluto in a matter of minutes if sufficient energy is available to compress space-time effectively.
The conversation then shifts to the control of the warp drive’s speed. Art Bell asks if the technology could be modulated to allow for hovering or slower movement, considering that all previous examples discussed have involved very fast and instantaneous transfers. Before Pares can respond, the show goes to a break, leaving the question of speed modulation open for further discussion.
Art Bell highlights the revolutionary implications of Pares’ work, contrasting it with current space exploration methods that rely on expensive and limited rocket technology. He expresses surprise that organizations like DARPA have not yet shown interest in Pares’ research, given its potential to dramatically change space travel and exploration. Bell reiterates the question about modulating the warp drive’s speed for varying types of travel, including slower movements.
Professor Pares discusses the development of a throttle control system for his warp drive project, which has evolved over time and now includes software integration. This throttle allows them to modulate the drive, potentially enabling varied speeds and stationary positioning. Despite its proprietary nature, Pares shares that they are not seeking a patent, citing a 1950s law that allows the government to claim inventions in the interest of national security.
Pares expresses concerns about government intervention and the protection of intellectual property rights. He mentions a family near Area 51 facing eviction due to eminent domain, reflecting on the broader issues of personal and intellectual rights. Pares values his independence in research and development, which he believes would be stifled under a government or institutional umbrella. His work is largely self-funded, though they have opened up for donations, which are relatively minimal.
On the possibility of a public demonstration of his warp drive technology, Pares is hopeful that the new 4000-watt system will enable a significant display. He plans to incorporate this system into their seven-by-seven-foot craft, the Bluebird Two. The initial tests will be conducted at ground level, with the craft controlled by a cable. He emphasizes the custom nature of their hardware and the use of advanced power amplifiers, which are crucial for their experiments.
Pares addresses skeptics and naysayers, emphasizing his commitment to his vision regardless of external opinions. He remains unfazed by criticism, focused on achieving his goals and demonstrating the feasibility of his warp drive technology in both atmospheric and space environments.
Professor David Pares discusses the advancements in their warp drive technology, including the development of a throttle control system integrated with software. This allows for precise modulation of the system, turning it on and off as needed during experiments. Despite its proprietary nature and the potential interest of the government, Pares is committed to advancing his research independently.
He estimates significant progress by the end of the year with their new 4000-watt system, which is currently under development. Each new model of their engine incorporates improvements and modifications based on previous learnings. They are using fractal technology to enhance the efficiency and power of their devices, allowing for scalability in various applications.
Addressing a query about the energy required for lifting a spacecraft, Pares explains that their technology does not violate energy conservation laws. Instead, it works by warping space, similar to how celestial bodies like Earth and the Sun alter the fabric of space. He compares their craft’s mechanism to the compression field along the Earth’s equator, altering the fabric of space in front of the craft to propel it forward.
Pares also references NASA’s Gravity Probe experiment, which validates the concept of frame-dragging and space fabric alteration due to mass. This principle is foundational to their warp drive technology, aiming to compress space in front of the craft, facilitating movement. However, he acknowledges there is still an energy challenge to be addressed in their work, particularly in terms of the power needed to sustain such a system.
Pares explains that the longer the system stays on and the more power provided, the more the fabric of space is compressed, akin to squeezing an accordion. This compression allows for rapid transit between two points without exceeding the speed of light, a concept he refers to as “equivalent velocity.”
Pares addresses potential risks, such as what happens when a particle enters the compression wave in front of the craft. He speculates that it might ride around the compression field and exit to the sides of the craft, but he admits this is unverified.
He contrasts his approach to space warp with others who focus on exotic energy or antimatter to create large warp bubbles. Pares’ method involves generating multiple warp fields that can be combined for control over the craft. He has tested this in the lab, showing that the craft turns towards the side with more power, indicating the ability to steer.
Regarding the effects on biological systems, Pares notes that radiation measurements from the motor are negligible and do not pose a health risk. He also addresses concerns about heating the air, stating that their technology does not generate significant heat.
Pares discusses how traditional industries like rocketry and airlines might react to his technology. While he acknowledges it could disrupt these industries, he believes they could benefit from it, especially airlines, by significantly reducing fuel costs.
Professor Pares explains that the longer the system operates and the more power supplied, the greater the linear displacement achieved. This relationship is likened to an accordion, where compressed air represents the compressed fabric of space, enabling faster travel between two points.
Pares emphasizes that the warp drive doesn’t necessarily violate any laws of relativity, as it doesn’t involve traveling faster than the speed of light but rather compressing space. He mentions the challenges and costs associated with building these systems, noting that each unit costs around $1,500 to $1,800. Pares and his team are currently finalizing the assembly of a 4000-watt system, which they believe will validate their predictive models.
He also addresses the business and proprietary aspects of his work. Pares is cautious about partnerships and funding, focusing on retaining control over his invention. His team intends not just to produce engines but also to build crafts, with plans to complete a human-carrying craft equipped with artificial gravity systems.
Pares acknowledges the dedication and belief of his team, who have worked without pay for over three years. He then agrees to take calls from the public, inviting questions about his work and the warp drive project.
Professor David Pares addresses a caller’s technical questions about his warp drive experiment. Pares explains that his device uses what he refers to as “tri-poles” to create compression in the fabric of space. The device consists of two arrays set at a specific angle to generate a near field where the fields intersect and compress.
He clarifies that his experiments have shown movement toward the motor, indicative of redshift and compression of a laser beam, as well as movement of both ferrous and nonferrous materials. This suggests that the mechanism at play is not purely electromagnetic in nature.
The caller speculates about the possibility of canceling opposing forces and the role of frequency in generating force. Pares confirms that they have conducted experiments with varying distances between elements while maintaining the same frequency. These experiments showed that the effects of the device extend beyond 140 centimeters, the limit of their experimental setup.
Pares also mentions developing a measuring device with passive Hall effect sensors to detect changes in magnetic fields as the fabric of space collapses into the motor. This device aims to visualize the field effect and provide further insight into the operation of their warp drive.
A physicist specializing in particle physics is part of Pares’ team, contributing to the design and construction of this measuring device. This experiment is part of their ongoing efforts to understand and demonstrate the principles behind their warp drive technology.
One caller, who is an aerospace engineer, suggests that the observed effects of Pares’ warp drive could be due to a feedback loop. The caller hypothesizes that the warping of space-time is trying to fill the gap created by the warp bubble, similar to a venturi effect, and this might be causing more power output than input. Pares responds by explaining that when the system begins to throttle up and create the warp field, they observe a negative flux into the engine, followed by a return to normal load. He clarifies that it’s not a case of getting more power out than in.
Pares also discusses the potential effects of his technology on the atmosphere. Based on testimonies from pilots, there were no noticeable tidal effects or disturbances in the atmosphere. He references Alcubierre’s theory, which suggested intense tidal actions outside of a warp bubble, but notes that no such effects were observed in the reported cases.
Pares speculates about the future impact of his technology, acknowledging its potential to revolutionize transportation, space exploration, and potentially create jobs. However, he expresses concerns about the maturity of the global population to handle such technology responsibly and the potential for it to be weaponized. He fears that if the technology were used for hostile purposes, it would be undetectable and unstoppable, leading to unprecedented security threats.
Throughout the conversation, Pares reiterates the importance of thorough testing and careful consideration of the broader implications of his groundbreaking work.
Pares continues discussing the technical details of his warp drive project and responds to a caller’s question about the potential feedback loop in the system. Pares mentions that when the device is turned on, there is a brief period where it outputs more power, which he interprets as the rebounding of the fabric of space. He considers the possibility of electron bunching, similar to what occurs in a radio transmitter’s magnetron, but notes that this aspect has not been fully investigated yet.
Pares emphasizes the urgency in their research, driven by the desire to avoid being outpaced by other teams working on similar technologies. He reassures that their measurements indicate the system is safe and does not appear to pose any biological dangers. The next step in their research is to lift a craft off the ground, which would be a significant milestone in demonstrating the practical application of their warp drive technology.
The discussion shifts slightly as Art Bell and Pares, both ham radio operators, share their interest in amateur radio. Pares mentions his call sign and his involvement in building his own antennas, although he admits that his intense work on the warp drive project has limited his time for radio activities.
Pares responds to Art Bell’s observations about an unusual phenomenon involving a large antenna array. Bell describes a purplish plasma forming at the top of his antennas during thunderstorms, which Pares suggests could be related to solar winds and flux transfer effects penetrating the Earth’s magnetosphere.
Pares and Bell also discuss the technical challenges of grounding in areas with high soil resistance. Bell explains his solution of using wire mesh under the ground, connected to water wells that reach the water table to ensure proper grounding.
The conversation then returns to Pares’ warp drive project. He has been working on this aspect for about three and a half years, with nine years of thinking and preparation before that. The project was inspired by aircraft anomalies and a combination of meteorological, space, and electrical energy effects. Pares’ work aligns with theoretical projections of what a space warp would look like and how it could be artificially engaged.
Pares recalls a significant milestone in his research on October 15th at 6:15 PM, when they first sensed the warping of space. This success was a major turning point in his project, confirming the feasibility of his approach.
A caller asks about the commercial applications of the warp drive technology, particularly for airlines. This question leads to a discussion on how such technology could redefine transportation and the potential impacts on industries like commercial aviation.
One caller inquires about how air traffic control might manage vehicles using warp drive, to which Pares suggests designated air corridors for specific directions of travel. He envisions that these corridors would initially be used for travel from one airport to another. Another caller asks about what would happen in case of a technical malfunction inside a warp bubble. Pares explains that the craft he is designing, the Blue Bird, is a high bypass lifting body that could still glide and land conventionally in the event of a power failure.
Regarding comparisons to Eagle Works’ research into the EM Drive, Pares acknowledges their work but notes differences in their approaches. While Eagle Works has explored using microwaves in a chamber to create thrust, Pares’ team is working on creating a warp bubble. He mentions that NASA’s Houston team, led by Dr. Harold “Sonny” White, has inadvertently supported his conclusions by detecting a warp bubble in their EM Drive experiments.
Pares also addresses the question of whether the universe could be a simulation. He prefers to see reality as it is, with mass moving around and continually learning more about the universe. He finds the idea of a simulated reality, like in “The Matrix,” quite scary.
The conversation shifts to funding and the race to develop this technology. Pares expresses his hope that his team will be the first to successfully demonstrate a craft lifting off the ground using warp drive. He emphasizes the need to focus on hardware and software development rather than conceptual renderings like the Starship Enterprise.
Pares discusses his goal in going public with his project. He believes that by being visible and transparent, it’s harder for his project to be shut down or taken away. He wants to ensure that many people are aware of his work, providing a form of protection and maintaining momentum for his groundbreaking research.
One caller inquires if Pares’ project is building a plasma drive. Pares clarifies that it’s not a plasma drive but a warp drive that alters the fabric of space. He explains that the Bluebird Two, the craft he’s developing, is constructed primarily from aluminum and is designed to be as light as possible to overcome weight limitations with the available power.
Another caller expresses concern about the potential effects of zero-point energy technologies on time, suggesting that they could accelerate time locally and affect the lifespan of the Sun. Pares dismisses this notion, explaining that their time experiments with mechanical stopwatches have shown no differential in time within the field generated by the warp drive. He refers to Alcubierre’s prediction that there would be no time distortion within the warp bubble.
Pares also discusses the practical aspects of managing the technology, focusing on safety and the importance of thorough experimentation. He expresses interest in exploring the technology’s effects in different scientific settings, such as a Wilson cloud chamber, but emphasizes the need to prioritize the primary goal of getting the craft to lift off the ground.
Art Bell concludes the interview with Professor David Pares. Bell expresses his amazement at the information shared during the episode and the potential implications of Pares’ warp drive technology. He invites Pares to return to the show for future discussions, acknowledging the complexity and depth of the topic.
Professor Pares accepts the invitation, expressing his enjoyment in discussing his work with Bell and the audience. He finds these discussions relaxing and a welcome change from his intense research work.