Art delves into a fascinating topic revolving around mysterious parts potentially linked to the famous Roswell UFO incident of 1947. He introduces the segment by highlighting a shipment he received from a man claiming his grandfather was part of a military crash retrieval team at Roswell. This shipment allegedly contained parts from the UFO crash. Intrigued, Art took initial steps to authenticate these materials, even posting photographs on his website. He engaged Linda Moulton Howe, an Emmy award-winning documentary producer known for her work on environmental issues, crop circles, and animal mutilations, to assist in the investigation. Linda, leveraging her contacts with top scientists, began examining these materials. The story took a curious turn when the initial assumption of a simple hoax was questioned after further shipments and investigations.
Art and Linda Moulton Howe delve deeper into the analysis of the mysterious materials supposedly from the Roswell UFO crash. Linda describes the first shipment of materials, which included various metal pieces with unique shapes and structures. These pieces were subjected to a detailed examination using a scanning electron microscope and an energy dispersive spectroscope, allowing for the analysis of tiny portions of the metal.
The initial tests revealed that the majority of these samples were made of high-purity aluminum, with traces of manganese and small grains of silicon found on some pieces. Interestingly, one of the anomalies discovered was that the aluminum was unexpectedly hard, making it difficult to bend, which contradicted the expected properties of pure aluminum. Furthermore, when the weight and measurements of five little squares were analyzed, they were found to be heavier than what their size and composition should have yielded, based on the known density of aluminum.
Art Bell and Linda Moulton Howe discuss the intriguing discrepancies in the weight and density of the aluminum samples. The samples were found to be significantly more dense than expected, with a density of 44 grams per cubic centimeter, nearly 16 times the density of typical aluminum. This baffling finding leads to speculation about a possible unusual crystalline structure or an unknown element affecting the density.
A destructive test was authorized to investigate the internal composition of the samples. The expectation was to find a different metal or alloy that could explain the extraordinary weight difference. However, the internal examination revealed more aluminum with a trace of less than 1% zinc, and no discernible structure or element that could account for the anomalous weight and density. This result further deepened the mystery.
The discussion shifts to the possibility of an unusual isotope of aluminum or an extraordinary number of neutrons, which could indicate something not known to Earth sciences. However, these theories remain speculative until further tests are conducted.
Art Bell and Linda Moulton Howe discuss the third letter Art received, which included new parts said to be from the exterior or the skin of a spacecraft. These parts were described as brittle and layered, with a prefabricated design. The new pieces were analyzed using a scanning electron microscope, revealing a composition of over 95% magnesium on the bright silver side and a mixture of magnesium and bismuth on the dark charcoal side. Upon closer examination, the materials were found to consist of very thin layers of magnesium and bismuth.
The unique layering of magnesium and bismuth led to the hypothesis that this material could be used as a heat shield for a spacecraft. Bismuth, being heavy and a poor conductor of heat and electricity, along with magnesium, would potentially protect the craft by dissipating heat energy layer by layer. This hypothesis aligns with techniques used in our own space program.
The discussion then shifts to the density anomalies of the materials. Linda notes that the density of these materials is different from what is typically expected and draws a parallel to a historical case from the 1950s in Brazil, where similar density discrepancies were observed in materials from an alleged UFO crash.
Art and Linda discuss the second shipment of materials sent by the anonymous source, which included pieces purported to be from the exterior skin of a spacecraft. These new parts, described as brittle, layered, and consisting of magnesium and bismuth, differed significantly from the earlier aluminum samples, adding to the mystery.
Art and Linda ponder the origins of these materials, with Linda suggesting that their extraordinary properties might indicate they are not of current Earth technology. Despite the lack of concrete evidence linking these materials to a specific UFO crash, their unusual density and composition continue to puzzle scientists. Art expresses his concern about preserving these parts for further testing.
The discussion then shifts to a broader context, touching on the reluctance of people to openly discuss such topics due to fears of jeopardizing their careers and families. This highlights the challenges faced in investigating and understanding potential extraterrestrial interactions with Earth.
The conversation moves to another mysterious phenomenon: the chupacabra. Art shares a photograph he received, claimed to be of a chupacabra, and discusses its authenticity with Linda. She compares the photograph with other drawings and eyewitness accounts, noting that experts have dismissed these as not fitting into any known animal category, often labeling them as hoaxes.
Linda emphasizes the importance of preserving these materials for further testing, as they could potentially provide significant insights into unknown technologies.
They address a listener’s question about bismuth, an element present in the materials. Bismuth, known for its low melting point, dire magnetic properties, and low thermal conductivity, could explain why these materials were used as a shielding layer in a spacecraft. The discussion explores the hypothesis that the unique properties of bismuth, combined with magnesium, might be integral in spacecraft design, especially in relation to electromagnetic fields.
Art expresses a hope that the anonymous military source who sent these materials might come forward with more information, emphasizing the potential significance of these findings. Linda acknowledges the challenges faced by individuals who possess potentially groundbreaking information but are constrained by fears for their careers and safety.
The conversation then shifts to the broader context of the secrecy surrounding UFO phenomena and the reluctance of military personnel to discuss their experiences with extraterrestrial encounters. Despite the compelling nature of the materials and the ongoing investigation, the lack of concrete historical evidence and the fear of repercussions continue to hinder the full understanding and public acknowledgment of these phenomena.
Linda encourages further investigation into the details of the alleged UFO crash site to bolster the credibility of the materials’ origins. They consider the possibility that the pieces could have been easily pocketed by someone on a crash retrieval team, given their size.
Art expresses concern about the potential for government interference due to the public discussion of these materials. Linda acknowledges this concern but argues for the importance of transparency and public knowledge, especially given the global nature of UFO sightings and related phenomena.
The conversation shifts to the chupacabra sightings in Juarez, Mexico, and other locations, underscoring the widespread nature of these reports across Mexico and into Central and South America. Linda emphasizes the need to take eyewitness accounts seriously, despite skepticism from the scientific community. She notes the detailed and consistent descriptions of the creatures provided by witnesses, including children, and the physical evidence, like puncture marks on animals.
The discussion ends with a call for tangible evidence, such as bones or skin, to be brought forward for scientific analysis. Linda also clarifies that the creature depicted in the photograph Art received does not match any known bat species, further deepening the mystery surrounding the chupacabra phenomenon.
Linda notes the significant discrepancy between the claws described in chupacabra sightings and those in the photograph Art received. Eyewitnesses in Puerto Rico reported that the chupacabra had three digits with long nails, resembling human hands, while the creature in the photograph appears different. The height of the creature, as reported by witnesses, also contradicts the possibility of it being a bat, as bats do not reach such sizes.
They discuss the possibility that the creature could be related to birds due to its three toes, a characteristic common in the bird family and connected to dinosaurs. This speculative link to dinosaurs highlights the mystery surrounding the chupacabra’s origins and its unusual physical features.
Art Bell then acknowledges Linda’s long-standing investigation into unusual animal deaths, including her documentary “Strange Harvest,” which explored animal mutilations. Linda recounts how her environmental investigation led her into the realm of UFO phenomena, where she encountered numerous eyewitness accounts of mysterious silver discs.
Art Bell brings on a nuclear engineer from Westinghouse Hanford Company, referred to as Brant, to discuss the anomalous properties of the aluminum components Art received. Brant confirms that the density of the aluminum is significantly higher than what is typically possible with current technology. He suggests that a high-energy rate forming process, similar to the compression in an atomic bomb, could theoretically create a higher density in materials, but no known method exists to achieve such density in aluminum.
Brant discusses the possibility of isotopes with additional neutrons, but dismisses it due to the physical impossibility of having so many stable extra neutrons. The conversation then shifts to the hypothetical possibility of a process that could compress and cool material to achieve a higher density, but Brant acknowledges that such a process does not currently exist on Earth.
Art and Linda speculate about the likelihood of this material being extraterrestrial in origin and the possibility that similar investigations may have been conducted by scientists and military personnel in the past. They ponder the implications of this discovery and the potential interest it might draw from various scientific and governmental bodies. Art expresses concern about the attention these findings might attract and whether it could lead to a visit from government officials.
Brant concludes by suggesting an experiment: melting a destroyed sample of the material to see if it returns to its normal density. This could provide further insight into whether the material’s high density could be artificially reproduced.
They delve into the intricacies of the materials Art received, focusing on the layering of bismuth and magnesium. Brant, drawing on his experience working on projects for NASA, explains that while layering metals with ceramics for spacecraft protection is common, the specific combination of bismuth and magnesium is unusual and not a typical application.
Brant elaborates on vapor deposition processes and the challenges of creating such thin layers of materials. He suggests that the technology to produce such intricate layering might not have existed more than 40 years ago outside of a laboratory setting. They also discuss the difficulty of dating the materials, especially since high-purity aluminum has to be manufactured and does not occur naturally.
The conversation then turns to the possible applications of these materials. Brant speculates that 40 years ago, such materials could have been used as ablative shields for spacecraft or ICBMs, designed to dissipate heat during atmospheric reentry. He notes the good heat conduction properties along the sample, which would be advantageous for spreading heat over the surface of a vehicle.
Art reflects on the initial skepticism that the materials might have been just “junkyard stuff,” but Brant confirms that the complexity and history of these materials indicate something much more intriguing. He agrees with the source’s letter stating that the materials seemed to be an undercoating of a craft, which aligns with their heat dissipating properties and potential use in spacecraft technology.
Brant, the nuclear engineer, suggests that while the materials don’t need to be high-tech, they demonstrate good sound engineering, possibly by someone from a different location or even another civilization.
Art and Linda emphasize the importance of presenting the information carefully and meticulously to the audience, highlighting the strangeness of the materials they are investigating. They acknowledge the gradual shift from initial skepticism to a growing intrigue as the investigation progresses. The conversation suggests that further testing could provide more answers or raise additional questions, particularly about the density anomaly of the aluminum.
Listeners then call in to ask questions. One caller speculates whether the material could have been made in an environment like a black hole, leading to its unusual density. Linda agrees that interviewing physicists specializing in density could provide more insights.
Another caller suggests using electron microscopy to measure the thickness of a patina on the aluminum pieces to date them. However, Linda notes that many of the pieces lack oxidation and have shiny surfaces, which is unusual for aluminum and could be related to the density issue. They conclude that the pieces are undoubtedly manufactured, whether on Earth or elsewhere, but the specifics of their origin remain a mystery.
In this part of the “Coast To Coast AM” episode, the focus shifts to the callers’ questions and their contributions to the discussion on the mysterious materials and the chupacabra phenomenon.
- Manufacturing of the Materials: One caller raises questions about the manufacturing process of the materials. Art and Linda agree that the pieces are manufactured but note the growing question is how they were manufactured. The nuclear engineer, Brant, had cautiously stated that the manufacturing process of these pieces is theoretically possible but unknown to current human technology.
- Chupacabra Photo: Another caller suggests that the chupacabra photo might be a hoax, comparing it to a creature in a Mexican film. Linda acknowledges that many people have made similar claims relating the creature to various movies, but no concrete evidence has been provided to support these claims. She emphasizes the need for serious consideration of eyewitness accounts, especially in light of physical evidence like unusual animal tracks and puncture wounds that do not match typical predator attacks.
- Possible Illnesses from Handling Materials: A caller from Oregon asks if handling the materials has caused any strange illnesses. Art confirms that the materials have been tested for radiation and found to be safe.
- Bonding Materials with Dynamite: A caller from Everett, Washington, mentions a company in Sequim, Washington, that bonds materials together using dynamite underwater. This process, he suggests, might be relevant to the layered structure of magnesium and bismuth in the materials.
Linda and Art continue to explore the possibility that these materials are manufactured using unknown or advanced processes. The callers’ contributions add varied perspectives to the discussion, ranging from skepticism about the chupacabra photo to novel ideas about material processing techniques.
Art Bell and Linda Moulton Howe continue to field calls from listeners, each offering their theories or insights into the mysterious materials and other topics discussed on the show.
- Layering Process of Materials: A caller discusses a company in Sequim, Washington, that uses a process involving explosives to bond different materials together. While the caller couldn’t recall the company’s name, this process might be relevant to the layered structure of the mysterious materials. Linda notes the need for more research on this explosive bonding process.
- Centrifuge Experiment: Another caller suggests using a centrifuge to spin aluminum at high G-forces while melting it to see if a higher density could be achieved. Linda finds the idea interesting, though Art points out that such an elaborate method would be an expensive way to create a hoax.
- Nano-technological Manufacturing: A caller from Kansas City proposes that the high density of the aluminum could be achieved by nano-technologically arranging the atoms in a denser crystal structure. While Linda acknowledges this as a theoretical possibility, she notes that current human technology hasn’t reached such capabilities.
- Stanton Friedman’s Interest: A caller mentions that renowned UFO researcher Stanton Friedman is intrigued by the preliminary findings on the materials, particularly the density anomaly. Friedman believes this finding is one of the most impressive he’s heard in a year. The caller suggests Friedman as a resource for correlating information about the mysterious source of the materials.
Art Bell and Linda Moulton Howe discuss the reactions and insights from Stanton Friedman, a renowned UFO researcher, regarding the mysterious materials. Friedman, after hearing about the preliminary findings and the meticulous lab work to eliminate errors, is impressed and acknowledges the need to resolve the density anomaly of the aluminum.
Listeners continue to call in with various hypotheses and suggestions:
- Manufacturing Under High Pressure: A caller from Baton Rouge suggests that the metal might have been manufactured under high pressure, much higher than Earth’s atmospheric pressure. Linda agrees that this is a distinct possibility and aligns with earlier discussions about examining the crystal and isotope structure of the material.
- Density Measurements and Theories: Another caller inquires about the density measurements, misunderstanding an earlier figure mentioned. Linda clarifies that there was no figure of 186, and the focus is on the density being 16 times higher than what is expected of aluminum.
- Cyclotron Analysis: A suggestion is made to use a cyclotron, like the one at Columbia University, to bombard the material with neutrons in a non-invasive analysis. Linda acknowledges this as one of many potential tests that could be conducted to further investigate the materials.
- Anomalous Materials: A caller suggests looking at previous cases of anomalous materials, referencing Marcel Vogel’s investigation of metal samples related to Billy Meier. The caller notes similarities between Vogel’s findings and what Linda has been discussing, suggesting it could be a helpful reference.
- Density Discrepancy in Other Cases: Another caller mentions the Yuba-Tuba, Brazil case, where there was a discrepancy in the density of magnesium found, similar to the anomalies in the current investigation. Linda acknowledges the similarity and discusses the challenge of not having the full context or understanding of where these materials come from.
- Chupacabra and Related Phenomena: Callers also inquire about the chupacabra. One caller asks about a possible connection between the chupacabra and a creature reported in Puerto Rico, while another questions the authenticity of a chupacabra photo they saw on the internet, suggesting it looked like a model.
- Jacques Cousteau’s Organization: A caller wonders if Jacques Cousteau’s organization, known for underwater exploration, might have information relevant to the investigation. Linda explains that Cousteau’s team primarily focuses on aquatic studies and is unlikely to have information on land-based phenomena like the chupacabra.
- Chupacabra Sightings: A caller inquires about the connection between chupacabras and UFOs, speculating on whether these creatures might be operating the UFOs. Linda discusses the circumstantial links between chupacabra sightings and UFO reports, particularly in Puerto Rico and Mexico. She recounts a case in Puerto Rico where a large glowing object was observed, and a child was reportedly affected by a red beam of light from the UFO. This case, along with others, suggests a possible connection between UFO sightings and chupacabra attacks.
- Physical Evidence: Art emphasizes the importance of physical evidence in both the chupacabra cases and the analysis of the materials sent to Linda. Linda agrees, noting that animal autopsies provide hard evidence in chupacabra investigations. She also mentions the significant body of physical evidence related to cattle mutilations, which points to unusual interactions with animals on Earth.
- Contact Information for Linda Moulton Howe: Art asks Linda to share her contact information for listeners interested in her research on chupacabras, the mysterious materials, and other topics. He acknowledges the importance of making this information public and stresses the careful and limited communication of their findings.
- Listener Feedback: Art receives a call from a listener in Las Vegas, who expresses appreciation for the show and shares a personal story about using a magnetic necklace to help with her daughter’s asthma. Art responds positively to the suggestion, discussing the potential health benefits of magnetics.
- Timothy Leary’s Last Request: A caller discusses the late Timothy Leary, a well-known figure in the psychedelic movement, and his last request to have his remains launched into space. Art confirms that this request might be fulfilled, possibly on the next shuttle mission.
- Carl Sagan and Stanton Friedman: Art mentions that he had been arranging a debate between Dr. Carl Sagan and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman, which had to be postponed due to Sagan’s illness. He expresses his best wishes for Sagan’s recovery.
- Chupacabra Sightings in Puerto Rico: A caller, who was previously stationed in the Navy in Puerto Rico, shares a personal encounter with a chupacabra. This account aligns with other reports Art and Linda Moulton Howe have discussed, suggesting that there is some truth to the chupacabra phenomenon.
- Web Page Promotion: Art promotes his website, where listeners can view photographs of the mysterious artifacts currently undergoing testing and the alleged chupacabra. He encourages listeners to visit the site for more information and visual references to the topics discussed on the show.
- Listener Feedback: Art receives a call from a listener in Las Vegas who enjoys the show and shares her experience with using magnetic therapy for her daughter’s asthma. Art acknowledges the potential health benefits of magnetics and expresses interest in the outcome.
- Timothy Leary’s Last Request: A caller discusses Timothy Leary’s last request to have his remains launched into space. Art confirms that this request might be fulfilled on a future space mission.
- Various Topics and Theories: Callers bring up a range of topics, including discussions about the chupacabra, possible explanations for the high-density aluminum, and other paranormal phenomena. One caller suggests using high temperatures and acid to analyze the mysterious aluminum pieces, while another discusses theories about UFOs extracting elements from ocean water.
- Political Commentary: One caller makes a political comment related to the functionality of objects when the left and right sides are in conflict, leading to a brief exchange with Art.
- Ozone Layer Restoration: A caller expresses skepticism about recent news reports stating that the ozone layer is restoring itself. Art acknowledges the report but also recognizes the complexity and ongoing debate surrounding environmental issues.
- Ozone Layer Discussion: A caller, identifying as a refrigeration mechanic, expresses skepticism about recent reports of the ozone layer restoring itself. He discusses the time it takes for CFCs to reach the upper stratosphere and the new refrigerants being used, which he claims are problematic. Art acknowledges the caller’s concerns, emphasizing the complexity of environmental science.
- Listener Questions and Feedback: Another caller inquires about the actress Tamlyn Tomita, leading to a brief discussion about her filmography. Art also addresses inquiries about the density of the mysterious materials sent to him, assuring a caller from Honolulu that detailed explanations are forthcoming in the rebroadcast of the show.
- Timothy Leary’s Space Burial: A listener brings up Timothy Leary’s last wish to have his remains launched into space, and Art confirms the possibility of this happening.
- Art Bell’s Online Presence: Art promotes his presence on AOL and invites listeners to join him in an online chat room. He provides instructions on how to access the chat room for those interested in discussing the show’s topics further.
- Political and Social Commentary: The segment includes a mix of social commentary and political observations, with callers expressing their views on various subjects, including media coverage of the FBI’s actions in a specific case.
- Environmental Concerns: A caller expresses skepticism about reports of the ozone layer restoring itself. They question the science behind these reports and discuss the impact of CFCs and new refrigerants in the refrigeration industry. Art acknowledges the concerns and emphasizes the complexity of environmental science.
- Chupacabra and Biblical References: A caller inquires about a previous show where another name for the chupacabra was mentioned, supposedly found in the Bible in relation to two bloody societies. The caller seeks more information on this theory. Art admits he doesn’t recall the specific name mentioned but acknowledges the intrigue surrounding the chupacabra phenomenon.
- Listener Feedback and Inquiries: Callers continue to engage with the topics of previous shows, including a discussion about the lack of rigor mortis in animals reportedly attacked by the chupacabra. Another caller asks about a segment from “Unsolved Mysteries” dealing with the chupacabra, where a veterinarian noted the removal of internal organs from affected animals.
- Upcoming Show Promotions: Art promotes upcoming segments on “Dreamland,” including a discussion on dream interpretation with Dr. Pepsi Toga.
- Personal Experiences and Insights: A caller shares a personal story related to a previous show topic about spirits and reincarnation. They describe an impression of a late brother and a subsequent phone call about a newborn family member with a name matching the impression.
- Listener Feedback and Questions: Callers continue to provide feedback on previous show topics, including discussions about the chupacabra and the racial composition of ancient Egyptians. One caller inquires about the density of the mysterious materials discussed in earlier segments.
- Political and Social Commentary: The segment includes a mix of political commentary and discussions about various social issues. A caller expresses concerns about government actions and media coverage, while another brings up topics related to Egyptology.
- Personal Anecdotes and Observations: A listener shares a personal experience related to a recent political event and inquires about the location of a town in Russia, reflecting on family genealogy. The caller also expresses a mix of affection and frustration towards Art, a sentiment common among dedicated listeners.
- Scientific Curiosity and Experiments: Another caller, claiming to be a scientist with a strong curiosity and interest in experimenting, discusses their experience with aluminum casting. They attempt to demonstrate the sound of aluminum being struck but are gently discouraged by Art.
- Social and Environmental Commentary: A caller from Madison discusses the historical environmental degradation in Egypt, suggesting it as a cautionary tale for modern environmental issues. They propose hosting an apocalyptic-themed party in conjunction with a future show guest’s appearance, highlighting the mix of seriousness and humor in the audience’s engagement with the show’s topics.
- Program Wrap-Up: Art concludes the show by reflecting on the stressful and eventful week, both personally and globally. He acknowledges the ongoing crises and challenges faced by individuals and nations, emphasizing the value of the show as a platform for diverse discussions and expressions.