The show begins with Art greeting listeners from various time zones, emphasizing the show’s wide reach. He mentions filling in for George Noory, who is on vacation. The episode features open lines, allowing listeners to call in without screening, and Art teases an upcoming show about bird flu, warning it might be frightening.
The discussion then shifts to the political landscape, focusing on the results of the Iowa caucuses. Art talks about Barack Obama’s surprising victory and his potential to become the first black president of the United States. He also mentions Mike Huckabee’s unexpected win, attributing it to support from Christian voters and noting that it demonstrates money can’t buy elections.
Art then covers Hillary Clinton’s reaction to her third-place finish, suggesting the possibility of an Obama-Clinton ticket. He also reports on Joe Biden dropping out of the Democratic presidential race and Rudy Giuliani’s long-term campaign strategy despite skipping the Iowa caucuses.
The segment takes a serious turn with the story of Charles Chatman, who was wrongfully convicted and spent 27 years in prison. His release, due to new DNA evidence, adds to the number of wrongful convictions in Dallas County. Art reflects on this, expressing his changed stance on the death penalty due to such wrongful convictions.
Finally, Art delves into scientific topics, discussing theories about dark matter and a radical suggestion by scientists that time could eventually stop, leading to the universe’s standstill. This idea, proposed by researchers from the University of the Basque Country, offers an alternative explanation for dark energy and the mysterious anti-gravitational force observed in distant supernovae.
In this segment of “Coast To Coast AM,” Art Bell continues discussing scientific theories, focusing on the concept of dark energy and its role in the expansion of the universe. He explains that dark energy was proposed as a means to power the acceleration of the cosmos’ expansion, but its nature remains a mystery. A team of scientists, whose work is to be published in the journal Physical Review, suggests an alternative theory: the apparent acceleration of the universe’s expansion might be an illusion caused by time gradually slowing down.
Art elaborates on this theory, comparing it to a winding clock and explaining how our perception of the universe’s expansion could be affected by a slowing of time. He discusses the use of redshift in astronomy to measure the expansion speed of the universe and how this measurement could be impacted if time is indeed slowing down.
The theory, based on a variant of superstring theory, suggests that our solitary time dimension could eventually transform into a new space dimension. This would lead to a future where time ceases to exist, and everything is frozen like a snapshot. Art quotes a professor who spoke to New Scientist magazine, noting that our planet would be long gone by the time this happens.
Towards the end of the segment, Art shifts back to the show’s format of open lines, inviting listeners to call in with their questions and comments. Art also mentions a photo of his daughter Asia, inviting listeners to view it on the show’s website, and provides his email addresses for those who wish to contact him. The segment concludes with a caller discussing an invention related to a vehicle powered by compressed air, capable of traveling a significant distance on a single tank.
In this segment Art engages with a caller discussing innovative automotive technology. The caller describes the Lotus Zap Auto, an electric car boasting impressive specifications: a top speed of 155 miles per hour, acceleration from 0 to 60 in 4 seconds, and the ability to carry five people and luggage. The car’s efficiency is highlighted, with each mile costing about a penny of electricity and a range of 330-500 miles. Art expresses amazement at these figures, comparing them to high-performance gasoline engines.
The conversation then shifts to Jay Leno’s interest in cars, specifically a hydrogen-powered vehicle that Leno reportedly drives, which achieves 75-80 miles per gallon. The caller also mentions a motorboat that runs on compressed air, prompting Art to reflect on the potential of compressed air as a power source for various engines.
Next, a caller from Naples, Florida, discusses chemical trails (chemtrails) observed in the sky. The caller notes a change in the types of chemicals being released and mentions capturing photographs of these trails. Art recalls an Idaho newspaper article listing various substances found in chemtrails, including viruses and human blood. He emphasizes the need for hard evidence and analysis of these substances.
The Florida caller also describes unusual cloud colorations and sunsets in Naples, suggesting a link to the chemtrails. Art encourages collecting samples of these materials for analysis to obtain concrete data.
Art then previews the next show, featuring Dr. Gary Ridenhour discussing the bird flu pandemic. He warns listeners that the upcoming show might be frightening but important for understanding the potential impact of bird flu.
Next Art Bell engages with a caller named JC, who is known for his extreme views. JC talks about his plans to protest a pornography show in Las Vegas and challenges Art to confront him. Art, unfazed, invites JC to bring it on. JC then claims that his estranged wife, Edna, will soon return to him, a recurring theme in his calls.
JC’s conversation takes a dark turn as he predicts that AIDS will become airborne as a divine punishment for America, a statement that Art challenges by pointing out the global implications of such an event. JC insists it would be a righteous punishment and eagerly anticipates the end times.
The discussion shifts to the presidential race, with JC humorously declaring his candidacy and urging listeners to write in his name at the polls. Art comments on the authenticity of JC’s character, confirming that JC is genuine and not a plant for the show. He notes that JC’s emails are consistent with his on-air persona.
Next, a first-time caller from Alberta, Canada, expresses concerns about the potential union of Canada, the United States, and Mexico. He fears the loss of national sovereignty and opposes the idea of a North American union. Art compares this to the European Union and the emerging Asian trading bloc, questioning how North America can compete without some form of union. The caller insists on the importance of maintaining national integrity and sovereignty, while Art acknowledges the challenge of competing in a world where regional blocs are becoming more common.
Art concludes by pondering how North America can remain competitive in a global landscape increasingly dominated by large trading blocs, without compromising national sovereignty. He acknowledges the complexity of the issue and the difficulty in reconciling these competing interests.
Next, a caller inquires about Art’s environmental stance, asking if he uses solar panels or hybrid vehicles. Art confirms he has solar panels and discusses his interest in renewable energy, mentioning his efforts to power his home with wind and solar energy. He also talks about his cars, including a TransAm with low mileage, and his openness to considering a hybrid vehicle in the future.
Another caller commends Art for sounding younger after quitting smoking and expresses how much listeners have missed him since he reduced his on-air presence. The caller encourages Art to return to more regular broadcasting. Art responds with gratitude and hints at the possibility of never saying “never” to a comeback.
The conversation shifts to a discussion about predictions. A caller from California shares his experience of receiving a “fast blast from the universe,” a sudden vision or insight. He recalls a recent vision about potential floods in Southern California, particularly concerning the Los Angeles River. Art acknowledges the caller’s insight and mentions the accuracy of a previous guest, Evelyn Maglione, in making predictions.
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A listener named Helen from Ohio calls in to congratulate Art on his new family and wishes him a blessed and healthy new year. She also asks why Art needs to know the location of the callers. Art explains that it’s purely out of curiosity, stemming from his interest in ham radio and the magic of radio communication. He shares his fascination with knowing where listeners are, especially when they’re thousands of miles away.
Next, a caller named Marcella shares a recurring dream about a grassy field where she encounters deceased loved ones, including her sister, grandmother, and grandfather. In the dream, she asks if it’s her time to go, and they tell her it’s not yet her time. Marcella seeks interpretation of this dream, but Art, while intrigued, admits he’s not qualified to interpret it. He suggests that the dream’s significance might be better understood by Marcella herself, given its deeply personal nature.
Art then transitions to discussing his friend Whitley Strieber, an author of many bestselling novels and works of nonfiction. He mentions that four movies have been made from Strieber’s books, including the 2014 hit “The Day After Tomorrow,” based on the novel “Superstorm,” co-written with Art. Strieber’s other notable works include “The Wolfen,” “The Hunger,” “Communion,” and “Transformation.” Art also highlights Strieber’s latest book, “The Grays,” and his involvement in various film and television projects.
The segment concludes with Art mentioning he would have covered the topic of drones more extensively had he been on the air more frequently. He refers to a headline from Strieber’s website, Unknown Country, about a possible authentic drone video. The drones, characterized by their complex structure and lack of crew space, had been the subject of extensive eyewitness testimony and various claims of creation, but their authenticity remained a topic of debate.
Strieber clarifies that while many of the still photographs of drones are likely real, most of the animations found on YouTube are probably fake. He mentions a specific case involving a German website claiming to have originated drone photographs, but the site’s creator was unwilling to interview with Linda Moulton Howe, a journalist who has extensively covered the drone phenomenon.
Art and Strieber then discuss the broader issue of UFOs and alien abductions. They express frustration with the media’s often dismissive and humorous treatment of UFO reports, despite the abundance of credible eyewitness accounts and evidence. Strieber emphasizes the complexity of the phenomenon, involving both physical sightings in the sky and profound human experiences like abductions and close encounters.
The conversation shifts to the potential public reaction if the government were to acknowledge the reality of UFOs and the inability to explain or control abductions. Strieber reflects on the vast collection of letters he received following the publication of his book “Communion,” which detail personal encounters with UFOs and alien beings. He laments the lack of scientific interest in these accounts, despite their potential significance in understanding mankind’s interaction with extraterrestrial intelligence.
Strieber also mentions his recent personal encounter with an unidentified entity, directing listeners to his website, Unknown Country, for more details. He describes this encounter as one of the most complex he has experienced, suggesting a continued and evolving interaction with these mysterious phenomena.
He describes waking up in the middle of the night to see an enormous object outside his window, resembling the drones discussed earlier in the show. Despite the stormy weather, the object moved smoothly and seemed unaffected by the wind.
Strieber explains that when he stood up to get a better look, the object was no longer visible, leading him to initially dismiss it as a nightmare. However, upon lying back down, he saw it again, this time closer to his house. He attempted to capture it with his cell phone camera but realized that the object was only visible from a specific angle in his bed. Strieber describes the object as large, complex, and not aerodynamic, moving slowly and smoothly through the air.
He then reads a press release from Breitbart.com and New Scientist magazine about a mathematical discovery by Oxford scientists, which supports the existence of parallel universes. This discovery, Strieber suggests, might explain his experience, as he feels it could be related to his consciousness interacting with multiple realities.
Strieber expresses his belief that during that night, he experienced his life unfolding in several parallel universes. He suggests that the object he saw and the way it affected his mind might be connected to these alternate dimensions. This experience leads him to ponder the profound implications of such a discovery and its potential to change our understanding of reality.
Strieber recounts how, during the course of one evening, he physically moved into another world. He describes an instance where he got out of bed and walked into his living room, only to find it completely transformed into a different room. When asked why he thinks these experiences happen to him, Strieber speculates it might be related to his family’s history, particularly his uncle Mickey’s involvement in the Roswell incident.
Art Bell questions the statistical likelihood of Strieber having so many alien encounters. Strieber responds by suggesting that such experiences are often generational and familial, with many people experiencing them throughout their lives and passing them on to their children. He emphasizes that his experiences are not unique and that he knows others who have had even more encounters.
Strieber then discusses his novel “Majestic,” based on the Roswell incident, and mentions a potential TV series adaptation titled “Majestic” that might explore what the group would be doing in the present day. He also touches on the impact of the writers’ strike on the production of new TV episodes.
Returning to the night in question, Strieber describes feeling an urge to read from “The Key” and then a strong desire to meditate, something he used to be prompted to do by the visitors during his time in upstate New York. He notes the intensity of the meditation and how it felt physically powerful.
The segment ends with Strieber about to go back to bed after meditating, hinting at more revelations about what transpired during those mysterious two hours.
Strieber describes waking up around 2:00 AM feeling agitated and unable to sleep. He recalls writing business emails at 2:17 AM, confirming he was awake. Shortly after, he experienced a surreal event where he found himself in a different bed, in a room with dogs, despite not owning any. Confused, he got up and noticed the living room had transformed into a completely different space, filled with artificial trees and unfamiliar decor. Strieber felt a sense of déjà vu, as if he had always known this place.
He then realized he was in the house he lived in as a child, which in his current reality had been sold and replaced with a new building. In this parallel universe, he was still living there, and his life circumstances were markedly different. Strieber eventually found himself back in his bedroom, without any dogs or changes in the room, leading him to question the nature of his experience.
Strieber goes on to describe living or being aware of existing in five different parallel universes simultaneously. In one universe, he had never met his wife, Anne; in another, he had a small child; and in yet another, he was with his grandson. These experiences were so vivid and detailed that Strieber doubted they were mere products of his imagination.
He explains how he seemed to exist in all these universes at once, experiencing different consciousnesses and lives simultaneously. Strieber references a scientist, David Papineau, who discusses the multiverse theory, suggesting that every possible outcome of an event actually occurs in some parallel universe. This theory resonates with Strieber’s experiences, leading him to believe that there might be a filter in our minds preventing us from perceiving these multiple realities regularly.
In this segment Whitley Strieber continues to discuss his experiences with parallel universes, suggesting that human consciousness might be more like a waveform moving through time on an incredible journey. He proposes that we might be prevented from seeing our true nature, which could be a collective or wave-like existence rather than individual entities.
Strieber describes feeling like his soul was expressing itself through multiple lives and for a brief moment, he experienced a greater consciousness. He felt that being human is much more significant than we typically understand. During his experiences, he was aware of a small entity physically interacting with him, pulling his fingers to keep him awake and conscious. He speculates that this was done to make him aware of the nature of these various realities.
Art Bell suggests that Strieber’s role as a communicator and author might be the reason for these experiences, as it could help others in the future understand the nature of reality and consciousness. Strieber agrees, believing that future generations might use his experiences to unlock the laws of consciousness and life.
Regarding control over his experiences, Strieber felt he had little to none. He was mainly trying to return to bed, and some experiences, like being in a universe where his wife was not alive, were particularly distressing. He suggests that each person’s consciousness might be like a searchlight moving across different universes without our realization.
The segment concludes with a discussion about the nature of physical death in relation to these experiences. Strieber hypothesizes that when we die in one universe, we might continue existing in others. He suggests that each person’s consciousness might span across a limited number of universes, and upon death in one, there might be a sense of loss or transition in the others.
He suggests that when we die in one universe, we might feel a sense of growing older or more mortal in another, or experience a sensation like a goose walking over your grave. Strieber believes that eventually, we run out of universes and either leave this process or return to it in some way.
He speculates that the planets with complex life, like Earth, are rare in the universe, but what happens on them is astonishing due to the vast expression of being and consciousness. Strieber discusses the theoretical physicists’ view on parallel universes, including the enormous amount of power it would take to cross into one. He wonders if the craft he saw supplied the power for his experiences or if less power is required than previously thought.
Strieber shares a conversation with Martin Rees, the Astronomer Royal, about parallel universes. Rees had mentioned that crossing the tiny distance between universes might take more energy than exists in either universe. However, Strieber’s experience felt like his consciousness was moving through different bodies in different universes seamlessly, suggesting a different kind of interaction.
Art Bell questions whether Strieber’s experience could have been a dream or nightmare. Strieber acknowledges this possibility but points out that the emails he wrote at 2:17 AM were coherent, suggesting he was awake. He admits he can’t prove what happened but shares his perception of the events.
Strieber then recounts another incident from 20 years ago, which was witnessed. He describes driving a friend’s child and unexpectedly entering a different world. They found themselves in a place with wide streets, big trees, sun-dappled foliage, and buildings that were oblong, flat-roofed, and sandstone-colored. This experience, like his more recent ones, suggests to Strieber that our understanding of reality might be more complex and multifaceted than we typically acknowledge.
Strieber was terrified, fearing he had become lost in another world and might not be able to return.
He eventually found his way back to a familiar road, but the experience left him feeling “unstuck” and concerned about the possibility of getting trapped in an alternate reality. Strieber mentions waking up around 4:30 AM since his first close encounter in 1985, often feeling like something is about to go wrong.
Strieber also discusses the possibility of people disappearing into these alternate realities and never returning. He notes that while there are cases of people vanishing in well-organized societies, it’s more common in less organized parts of the world. He speculates that some of these disappearances could be related to people falling into “rabbit holes” of alternate realities.
The conversation then shifts to the topic of drones in ufology. Strieber observes that the UFO community has largely dismissed the clear imagery of drones as too strange or impossible. He suggests that these sightings are real and not hoaxes, as evidenced by credible witnesses, including retired army officers. Strieber ponders the possibility that there might be another world inhabited by human beings and that the presence of visitors (aliens) for the past 60 years could be related to these alternate realities. He expresses frustration with the scientific community and media for not taking these phenomena more seriously.
Strieber recounts a bizarre incident from the night before his drive through the alternate reality. He woke up in the middle of the night and found himself without a physical body. He describes the terrifying experience of being conscious but bodiless, and when he tried to move, he went through the floor and saw his body standing in the bedroom talking to the two boys. He then re-entered his body, confused about what had transpired.
The next morning, Strieber shared this experience with his wife, Anne. Later, the two boys came out of their room, excitedly talking about seeing Strieber come down through the ceiling. This corroboration by the boys added a layer of credibility to his experience, making it hard for Strieber to dismiss it as a dream.
Art Bell reflects on the nature of these experiences, suggesting that they are backed up not just by theoretical physicists but now by mathematicians as well, lending credibility to the possibility of parallel universes. Strieber’s story resonates with listeners who have had similar experiences, suggesting that he is not alone in these extraordinary encounters.
The segment concludes with Strieber expressing that it’s not that he is crazy, but rather that something crazy is happening around him, indicating a mysterious and unexplained aspect of reality.
He suggests that acknowledging these experiences would disrupt our ability to make sense of the world and carry out our daily lives. Strieber emphasizes that while his experiences are extraordinary, he leads a rational and well-organized life, indicating that these occurrences are not the result of an overactive imagination or mental instability.
Strieber then recounts an incident from the night before his drive through the alternate reality. He woke up without a physical body and, upon trying to move, found himself looking at his body talking to two boys. The next morning, the boys confirmed seeing Strieber come down through the ceiling, adding credibility to his experience.
Art Bell reflects on the possibility of parallel universes and how Strieber’s experiences, backed by witnesses, challenge the dismissal of these phenomena as mere flights of fancy. Strieber also mentions his wife Anne’s intuitive ability to predict who would have close encounters and their unsuccessful attempts to capture imagery of the visitors with low-light cameras.
The conversation shifts to the current UFO flap happening worldwide, which remains localized in reporting and thus not widely recognized. Strieber mentions a recent announcement by Nick Pope, a former Ministry of Defense UFO researcher, about a clear UFO video taken in England. He also discusses the impending release of previously classified UFO sightings by the British government, though he suspects the most revealing information will not be disclosed.
Strieber recalls a conversation with General Arthur Exon, who believed UFOs were scout ships preparing for an invasion. He notes the lack of official government investigation into UFOs since Project Blue Book and shares an anecdote about Dr. Walter or Robert Roberts, who was initially chosen to chair the Blue Book committee but declined due to its predetermined conclusion. Roberts and other committee members acknowledged that the data did not support the conclusion that there was nothing to UFO sightings.
Strieber discusses the government’s inability to address and deal with UFO phenomena in a meaningful way. He believes that the knowledge left unexplored due to government inaction is tragic and that real science could have made a significant difference in understanding these phenomena.
Strieber shares two theories about why the government might keep UFO information secret. The first, suggested by his uncle, is that the government wouldn’t admit to alien abductions if they couldn’t do anything about it. The second theory, from physicist Dr. John Neumann, posits that our perception mediates reality, and acknowledging the existence of extraterrestrial beings could irreversibly open a door to their world.
Strieber then speculates on the consequences of the government admitting the reality of UFOs and extraterrestrials. He suggests that such an admission could change everything, potentially allowing these beings to enter our world freely. This scenario raises concerns about the irreversible nature of such an event and the possibility that we might not like what we find.
Art Bell and Strieber discuss the idea that both humans and extraterrestrials might fear the opening of this door. Strieber notes that the visitors seem to be around a lot in recent years, engaging in new and unusual ways. He mentions strange phenomena being reported worldwide, such as holes in clouds, which could indicate the visitors’ presence.
The conversation then turns to the idea of plausible deniability in contact with extraterrestrials. Strieber reflects on his own position as a horror novelist and how his professional background makes his claims easy to dismiss. He suggests that both humans and extraterrestrials might have reasons to fear the full opening of the door between worlds, as it could lead to unintended consequences for both parties.
The segment concludes with speculation that the probes or drones being observed might be a way for extraterrestrials to initiate contact while keeping both worlds essentially intact. This cautious approach could be an attempt to avoid disrupting the natural unfolding of life in both dimensions.
Art Bell opens the phone lines to listeners, inviting them to share their experiences and questions. Before doing so, Strieber reflects on the widespread response to his book “Communion,” noting that many people have had far stranger experiences than his own. He emphasizes the prevalence of mutual or group experiences in the letters he received, often involving encounters with extraterrestrials and the appearance of deceased friends and relatives.
A caller shares her vivid dream or experience of being surrounded by beings and manipulated with light and sound, wondering if it could be related to listening to “Coast To Coast.” Strieber acknowledges that it could be a dream influenced by the show but notes that the light and sound elements are familiar aspects of such experiences. He mentions that entire towns have experienced similar phenomena, indicating a broader pattern.
Strieber and Bell discuss the possibility that our understanding of life and death is limited and that we might be merely guessing about the nature of death. The conversation highlights the mysterious and often unexplained nature of these experiences, suggesting that they could be more than just dreams or flights of fancy.
The segment concludes with Strieber affirming the caller’s experience, particularly the aspects of light and sound, which resonate with many other accounts he has encountered.
A caller shares her experience of feeling completely out of control of her body during an encounter with beings that seemed devoid of emotion. Strieber relates this to the experiences of wild animals when captured, noting that he too has felt this way during his encounters but eventually became accustomed to it.
Strieber also discusses the nature of life and what is considered alive. He suggests that life may attach to many different manifestations of nature besides physical bodies, indicating that energetic forces could be behind some UFO phenomena. He notes, however, that the drones he’s seen are incredibly physical, which is why many UFO investigators dismissed them.
Another caller, Becky from Indiana, asks if the drones could be manned by energetic beings. She shares her experience of photographing orbs and a UFO, wondering if these could be related to sentient energetic entities. Strieber responds that while we don’t fully understand the nature of life, the drones he’s encountered seem more physical than energetic.
A caller shares her experience with orbs and a UFO sighting, leading to a discussion about the nature of life and what is considered alive. Strieber suggests that life may not be limited to biological entities and could attach to different manifestations of nature. He shares a personal experience where he felt the presence of his mother while photographing orbs, adding a layer of complexity to the understanding of these phenomena.
Another caller questions the lack of physical evidence for abductions, such as video recordings. Strieber responds by mentioning his own attempts to capture evidence and discusses the mysterious nature of implants found in some abductees. He recounts an incident where an implant was invisible to X-ray machines and another where it moved away from a surgeon’s scalpel.
Art Bell then announces an upcoming show about the bird flu, warning listeners that it will be frightening. The segment concludes with a caller sharing a recurring dream about two young boys who are not his sons, seeking an explanation. Strieber suggests that the dream could be related to parallel universes, a topic discussed earlier in the show, and advises the caller to listen to the show on stream link or visit his website for more information.
A caller from Florida, Susan, brings up Howard Menger, a UFO contactee from the 1950s, and his experiences with extraterrestrial beings that appeared angelic and compassionate. She mentions that Menger believed extraterrestrials resembling humans live among us and collaborate with governments and medical institutions. Susan also raises the point that advanced civilizations contacting less advanced ones have historically led to the destruction of the latter, suggesting a gradual integration of extraterrestrial knowledge to avoid such outcomes.
Responding to Susan’s question about overcoming fear in his experiences, Strieber explains that his journey involves exploring and gradually dissipating fear by confronting it directly. He agrees with the idea that there might be extraterrestrial beings on Earth who appear human, and he reflects on the challenge of a higher technological civilization interacting with a lower one without disempowering the latter.
Another caller, Kevin from Ontario, asks if the Grays have been in contact with humankind before recent times. Strieber references a book by Jacques Vallée, “Passport to Magonia,” which documents instances of these beings being present for hundreds or even thousands of years.
A caller from Alberta shares his ability to communicate with celestial beings or entities since childhood, although he doesn’t understand their language. Strieber responds by describing his own communication experiences with visitors, which were mostly non-verbal and involved images rather than speech. He recalls hearing emotionally rich cries from these entities and explains how he learned to ask questions in his mind and receive answers in the form of pictures.
Another caller, Larry from Fort Lauderdale, brings up the technological aspect of abductions. He points out the paradox of the visitors being extremely secretive while leaving implant devices in abductees that scientists cannot understand. He also questions why, with the proliferation of surveillance technology, there is no definitive proof of extraterrestrial visitations, such as a landing craft captured on camera.
Strieber acknowledges the anomaly and suggests that the visitors’ technology and methods are far beyond our current understanding. He implies that their ability to avoid detection and leave behind inexplicable implants might be part of a deliberate strategy to maintain a level of mystery and ambiguity around their presence.
In this segment of “Coast To Coast AM,” Whitley Strieber discusses his efforts to capture evidence of extraterrestrial visitations at his house in upstate New York. He describes how he surrounded his house with alarm systems, installed a bank of switches to turn on lights around the property, and set up cameras to try to capture any unusual activity. Strieber also mentions using talcum powder on the floor, which once revealed scuffed footprints and what appeared to be sweeping marks from a tail.
Despite these measures, Strieber acknowledges the difficulty in obtaining definitive proof. He notes that the cameras were often avoided, and while he found physical evidence like footprints, it wasn’t conclusive enough to be considered proof of extraterrestrial presence.
The conversation highlights the contradiction between the physical evidence of implants found in people’s bodies and the elusive nature of these encounters. Strieber points out the strange contradiction between the undeniable physicality of the implants and the visitors’ ability to avoid detection.
The segment concludes with Art Bell thanking Strieber for his participation in the program and mentioning Strieber’s upcoming appearance in the chat room on his website, Unknown Country. The show then wraps up, with a teaser for the next night’s program featuring Dr. Gary Ridenour discussing the topic of pandemics.