Art begins the discussion by referring to a previous conversation with Richard Durbin, who mentioned the capability to intercept missiles during their launch phase. However, Art and Steven Quale argue that low-technology delivery systems and the sheer number of potential targets make it unlikely to intercept all threats effectively. They reference the difficulty in locating Scud missiles during Desert Storm as a similar challenge. They emphasize the unpredictable nature of nuclear capabilities, particularly in countries like Pakistan, which may have more weapons than publicly disclosed. The conversation shifts to the global implications of a nuclear conflict, considering the involvement of major powers like Russia, China, and the United States, and the potential for such a conflict to serve as a catalyst for global governance changes. The idea of using a conflict as a “guinea pig” to alter world perspectives is discussed, albeit with a sense of macabre fascination. They touch on the readiness conditions of China, Russia, and the US in the event of a conflict between India and Pakistan, noting the alliances and military support these countries have pledged.
Steven Quale highlights Russia’s support for India and China’s backing of Pakistan, suggesting a complex geopolitical dynamic. They speculate on the strategic interests of these nations, including the potential for China to use the conflict as a springboard for actions regarding Taiwan. The clustering of significant military and geopolitical events is likened to a nuclear reactor reaching critical mass, with a sense of impending crisis. They express concern over the escalating tensions and the potential for a major global conflict. The conversation turns to the mental and emotional burden of contemplating such scenarios, with one speaker admitting to coping by maintaining a detached attitude. They discuss the importance of preparedness and the availability of survival resources like the book “Nuclear War Survival Skills” by physicist Crescent Kearney. The guest stresses the seriousness of the situation and criticizes the general public’s lack of prioritization and awareness, arguing that the United States is not adequately addressing these threats.
Art and Steven Quale continue to discuss the importance of civil defense programs, comparing the preparedness of countries like Switzerland and Finland to the lack of such programs in the United States. They touch on the potential for a major nuclear war involving India, Pakistan, Russia, China, and the US, and the general public’s attitude towards surviving such a conflict. The conversation explores the challenges of civil defense and the inefficiency of government responses to crises, using hurricanes and potential terrorist attacks as examples. They stress the need for individual preparedness and acknowledge the difficulty in addressing such dire scenarios without becoming cynical.
The discussion delves into the specific threats posed by nuclear weapons, including the potential impact on densely populated cities and the differences between surface and airbursts. The guest explains the calculations behind casualty estimates, noting that Pakistani warheads are estimated to be about 35 kilotons, significantly larger than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They discuss the likelihood of using low-tech delivery methods, such as driving a nuclear device into a city. The conversation also covers the concept of mutually assured destruction, highlighting that no side would emerge victorious in a nuclear exchange. Despite this, some countries, like China, believe a nuclear war is survivable, as stated in their strategic documents.
The idea of a limited nuclear war between India and Pakistan killing millions and potentially leading to global disarmament is debated, with skepticism about the willingness of major powers to disarm. Steven Quale argues that deeply ingrained national interests and power dynamics make global disarmament unlikely, despite the catastrophic consequences of nuclear conflict.
Art and Steve Quayle continue to discuss the inevitability of conflict between India and Pakistan, given their deeply ingrained hostilities. They predict that India would likely initiate the conventional war, while Pakistan would respond with nuclear weapons. The conversation touches on the historical context of nuclear war references in ancient Indian texts, such as the Mahabharata, and parallels are drawn to the current situation. They express skepticism towards mainstream news sources, preferring to rely on foreign news outlets for more accurate information. The guest criticizes the failures of the American intelligence community and stresses the importance of listening to direct statements from those involved in the conflict.
The discussion ends with Art thanking his guest and providing contact information for listeners. Art then transitions to the next segment, introducing Bruce Moen, who will discuss the afterlife and proof of its existence. Art clarifies a previous statement, noting that it was Ed Dames, not Richard Hoagland, who claimed the ability to stop a nuclear war between India and Pakistan during the launch phase. He addresses a few administrative details before moving on to the interview with Moen.
Art recounts his experience during the Cuban Missile Crisis while stationed at Amarillo Air Force Base, describing the heightened alert and the sense of imminent nuclear war. He compares this historical event to the current tensions between India and Pakistan, noting that both situations involved the potential for catastrophic conflict. He emphasizes the seriousness of the crisis by recalling the Defcon notifications and the frequent takeoffs of B-52 bombers, highlighting the palpable fear and urgency of the time.
Art introduces Bruce Moen, who is an ordinary individual driven by a deep curiosity about the afterlife. Moen, a mechanical engineer by profession, began exploring the afterlife after attending a program at the Monroe Institute in 1992. Despite initial skepticism and a belief that he might be fabricating his experiences, Moen had a pivotal moment when he received verifiable information from a deceased friend’s father, convincing him of the afterlife’s reality. Moen has since developed techniques to help others explore the afterlife and plans to share these methods during the show.
Following this introduction, Art transitions into promoting a high-quality LED flashlight as a potential Father’s Day gift, emphasizing its durability, brightness, and waterproof features. He then shifts to discussing anti-aging science, specifically human growth hormone (HGH), which purportedly helps individuals feel and look younger. He highlights the documented benefits of HGH, such as improved vision, memory, and cholesterol levels.
Art and Bruce Moen dive into a deep conversation about the afterlife and the existential questions that have intrigued Bruce since childhood. Bruce shares how his curiosity about where he was before his current life, his purpose during it, and what happens after death drove him to explore these themes. He recounts a recurring daydream from his childhood that later led him to believe in reincarnation, which became part of his truth after reading extensively on the subject.
Bruce discusses his journey from being a mechanical engineer to actively exploring the afterlife, inspired by techniques he learned at the Monroe Institute. Despite initial skepticism, he had a transformative experience where he received verifiable information from a deceased friend’s father, solidifying his belief in the afterlife. He now teaches simple techniques to help others explore this realm.
The conversation turns to the concept of unconditional love, which Bruce identifies as the primary purpose of human existence. Art challenges this notion by asking if such love should extend to individuals who commit atrocities, such as terrorists. Bruce concedes that while the idea of unconditional love is something to strive for, it is extremely difficult to practice, especially in the face of such acts. He admits that he has not yet learned to love unconditionally and initially reacted with anger and a desire for retribution following the 9/11 attacks.
Art redirects the discussion back to the afterlife, confirming that Bruce has become convinced of its existence through his explorations.
Bruce confirms that he has no doubt about the existence of the afterlife, despite not being religious in the traditional sense. Raised as a Lutheran, he left the church in his teens due to unanswered questions and has since pursued a more personal exploration of spiritual matters. As a critical-minded engineer, Bruce approached the question of the afterlife with a need for hard evidence. He aimed to gather verifiable information from deceased individuals, using techniques learned at the Monroe Institute’s Lifeline program.
The Monroe Institute, founded by Robert Monroe, teaches methods to communicate with the deceased. Bruce explains that the program is based on the idea that some people get “stuck” after death and require assistance to move on. He describes how this communication involves obtaining information from the deceased that can be verified by the living. Bruce is confident in his findings due to the strong, repetitive evidence he has encountered.
Bruce elaborates on the concept of being “stuck,” giving an example from a workshop where a participant communicated with a woman who had died suddenly and was unaware of her death. This woman, killed instantly by a car while waiting for a bus, continued to exist in a state of confusion, not realizing she had died. This state is akin to the portrayal of ghosts in popular culture, where spirits remain earthbound due to sudden or traumatic deaths.
Art Bell and Bruce Moen continue their discussion on the afterlife, focusing on Bruce’s experiences and methods for verifying contact with deceased individuals. Art emphasizes the show’s goal of potentially proving the afterlife’s existence to the audience by the end of the program.
Bruce shares an example of a woman who was killed instantly by a bus but continued her conversation, unaware of her death, as an illustration of a “stuck” spirit. Art questions the verifiability of such accounts, and Bruce concedes that in the specific workshop case, no verification was possible. However, he provides examples from his personal experiences where verifiable information was obtained.
One such example involves a person asking Bruce to check on her deceased grandmother. Bruce used Monroe Institute techniques and perceived the grandmother in a confused state, likely due to Alzheimer’s. During this interaction, the grandmother recognized another spirit named Maggie, which turned out to be a nickname for her mother, providing some level of verification.
In another instance, Bruce’s friend asked him to check on his recently deceased father, who had died after being hit by a truck. Bruce made contact and perceived details, including the presence of the man’s mother, who had died when he was young. The crucial piece of verification came when Bruce repeatedly received the word “funky” or “punky,” which held significant meaning to his friend’s father.
Bruce Moen continues his discussion with Art Bell about his methods for communicating with the deceased. He shares a compelling story about receiving a message from a deceased man who was concerned about his dog, Punky. Bruce did not know the man or his dog, and this specific detail, which was later confirmed by the man’s daughter, convinced Bruce of the validity of his communication techniques.
Bruce explains that his approach involves using imagination to perceive communication with the deceased. He emphasizes that the hardest part is believing that what you’re doing is real. To start, he suggests entering a relaxed state using breathing techniques. For beginners, he recommends imagining a detailed scene, such as sitting on a porch with a deceased relative, and starting an imaginary conversation. The key is to continue until something unexpected happens—something that you did not consciously fabricate.
Art questions the potential dangers of this practice, suggesting that one might inadvertently invite unwanted entities. Bruce acknowledges this concern, sharing that he has encountered non-physical beings he would avoid in real life. He explains that his workshops include techniques for dealing with such situations, emphasizing the power of love and suggesting that fear-based encounters often stem from one’s own beliefs and fears. By understanding that thoughts can manifest as perceived entities, individuals can better navigate these experiences.
Bruce Moen explains the concept of the “law of love and fear,” which states that love and fear cannot coexist. He suggests that if someone encounters something that causes fear, they should project love towards it. If the fear is self-created, it will disappear; if it’s masking something real, the mask will disappear, revealing the true nature of the encounter. Bruce acknowledges that opening a door to the afterlife can bring unexpected experiences, and one’s beliefs play a significant role in what they might encounter. He discusses working with people who have schizophrenia and hear voices, suggesting that these individuals might be in contact with entities they perceive as demons.
Art expresses caution and reluctance about communicating with the dead, stating that he has enough trouble dealing with the living. Bruce agrees, emphasizing that beliefs can shape nonphysical realities and potentially lead to encounters with imagined demons. He explains that not everyone gets stuck in the afterlife; most people transition naturally. Bruce classifies the afterlife into three specific areas using labels from Robert Monroe’s out-of-body explorations: Focus 23, the Belief System Territories, and another area he will describe later.
Focus 23 is where people get stuck, often trapped in isolated, self-created realities due to their beliefs or the circumstances of their death. The Belief System Territories are created by group beliefs, such as religious afterlives. For example, a Catholic or Lutheran afterlife might exist based on the collective beliefs of their followers. Bruce reflects on Martin Luther, who sought truth for himself, and expresses disappointment that the Lutheran church tells its followers to believe what Luther found instead of encouraging them to seek their own truths.
Bruce explains that after entering a state of relaxation through methods like breathing exercises, one should use imagination to set a scene with the deceased person and start a conversation. The key is to wait for unexpected responses that didn’t originate from one’s imagination, indicating communication with the deceased.
Art questions Bruce about where people go after they die if they don’t get stuck. Bruce describes the “Belief System Territories,” areas in the afterlife created by collective beliefs. For example, a Catholic might go to a Catholic heaven, and these realities are populated by those who share similar beliefs. Bad adherents, such as bad Lutherans, might end up in a version of hell created by their group’s beliefs. Bruce emphasizes that people often go where they expect based on their beliefs, but this isn’t always the case.
The conversation shifts to those who commit acts of terrorism, such as the 9/11 hijackers, and their belief in an afterlife with rewards like 72 virgins. Bruce suggests that such individuals might end up in a belief system territory where they are surrounded by others with similar beliefs and behaviors. This could result in an environment more akin to hell, where they continuously perpetrate acts of terrorism on each other.
Bruce introduces the concept of “Thief’s Hell,” a place populated entirely by thieves. This idea, explored in his book “Voyage to Curiosity’s Father,” describes a belief system where being a thief is the core belief, leading to a reality where such individuals are trapped in their own destructive behaviors.
Bruce Moen continues to describe his explorations of various afterlife territories, focusing on “Thieves’ Hell.” He recounts an interview with a deceased man who had escaped from this realm. Upon his death, the man found himself in a reality resembling an inner city, where he engaged in continuous theft and was constantly being stolen from. Over time, he formed a relationship with a woman, and together they worked various cons.
Bruce explains that belief systems in the afterlife create specific realities, including traditional heavens and hells, as well as unique environments like Thieves’ Hell. The man he interviewed described his life in Thieves’ Hell as a never-ending cycle of theft and deceit. Eventually, he grew weary of this futile existence and started to lose his belief in the system. This change in belief allowed him to see a “back door” out of Thieves’ Hell.
One night, a master thief arrived at the man’s door, running a con called “Innocent Sucker.” Recognizing the con, the man decided to counter it by pretending to be taken in, planning to steal from the master thief later. However, when the moment came, he chose not to go through with it. This decision led to a profound shift in his experience. He found himself floating in darkness, approaching a light. The light turned out to be the master thief, who revealed himself as a helper monitoring the man’s activities.
The helper explained that the man’s changing beliefs had caused him to be “spit out” of Thieves’ Hell. He was then offered choices: return to Thieves’ Hell, reincarnate into physical reality, or work at a place called the Rehabilitation Center in the afterlife.
Bruce Moen continues to explain the different areas of the afterlife, introducing Focus 27, which includes a rehabilitation center for individuals who have escaped from hell or were offered a way out. This center helps them learn how to become helpers who assist others in escaping hell. Bruce highlights that most people believe hell is eternal and that someone else sentences them there, but his explorations suggest that it’s more about one’s beliefs and lifestyle that draw them to a place resonating with those.
Art asks about the possibility of falling from heaven. Bruce shares an account of encountering a man who described being in a “hollow heaven”—a heaven that wasn’t as real or fulfilling as expected. This man, a minister in a small fundamentalist Christian circle, preached about a heaven where all rules must be followed, including going to church on Sabbath. He faced a dilemma with a couple living together unmarried, which went against the rules. Despite counseling them, he had to perform a “casting out” ritual, resulting in their expulsion to outer darkness.
Art reflects on the notion of time in the afterlife and its differences from earthly time. The conversation moves to the idea that expectations shape afterlife experiences. Bruce confirms that various belief system territories exist, including different heavens and hells. Art expresses concern about the justice of such systems, particularly for those who commit heinous acts, like terrorists believing they’ll be rewarded in the afterlife.
Bruce explains that these belief systems might indeed create such afterlives, though he acknowledges the discomfort this idea brings. Art suggests that there are people with different, often disturbing beliefs about the afterlife, questioning the justice of such arrangements. The discussion continues to explore the complexities of afterlife experiences shaped by individual and collective beliefs.
Bruce Moen discusses the concept of afterlife experiences being shaped by individual belief systems. He explains that those with specific beliefs, such as cannibals, might find themselves in an afterlife environment where similar beliefs prevail, creating a reality like a “cannibal’s hell.” This suggests a form of justice where individuals experience the consequences of their beliefs and actions.
Art Bell inquires about the fate of atheists. Bruce suggests that atheists, who deny the existence of an afterlife, might find themselves in Focus 23, a state of nothingness and isolation. This could be a shocking realization for those expecting oblivion. However, Bruce mentions the process of retrieval, where trained individuals can help “stuck” souls like atheists move to a better place in the afterlife.
The conversation shifts to the existence of angels and demons. Bruce admits to encountering non-human beings but hasn’t definitively identified them as angels or demons. He discusses the skepticism from some, particularly Christians, who believe such encounters might be demonic deceptions. Bruce argues that verifiable information received from deceased individuals suggests genuine communication rather than demonic trickery.
Bruce shares a story of a woman from his workshop who believed she was haunted by demons. Using an exercise to project love, she visualized a squirt gun connected to her heart and “squirted” the demons, causing them to disappear. This exercise highlights the power of love to dispel fear-based entities.
Art questions whether it is natural or intended for the living to communicate with the dead. Bruce acknowledges that this is a matter of belief and does not seek to change anyone’s views but shares his experiences and findings.
Bruce Moen and Art Bell discuss the idea that the veil between the living and the dead is thinning, leading to increased communication and interaction between the two realms. Bruce suggests that this phenomenon could be part of Earth’s transition into a higher state of consciousness, influenced by a beam of unconditional love energy from the universe. This shift is making supernatural occurrences more frequent and opening people’s awareness.
Art raises the concern that while the world is experiencing this spiritual awakening, it is also facing the threat of physical destruction, such as nuclear war. Bruce expresses hope that humanity will choose the path of unconditional love and recognize the futility of conflict. He acknowledges the dual forces at play—spiritual awakening and the potential for self-destruction—and believes that the momentum towards love and unity will prevail.
The conversation shifts to the nature of the soul. Bruce describes the soul as an individual expression of a larger being, often referred to as the higher self or greater self. He shares that he has had conversations with Robert Monroe, both during Monroe’s physical life and after his death, suggesting that Monroe remains active in the afterlife.
Art asks if some individuals in the afterlife are unreachable. Bruce confirms that this can happen, sometimes temporarily. He recounts an experience with his mother, who was unreachable for a week after her death because she was undergoing a process in the afterlife. A nonphysical helper explained that it would be inappropriate to interrupt her during this time, likening it to an “in-processing” phase.
Bruce Moen continues to share his experiences with the afterlife, recounting an instance where his mother communicated with him after her death. She initially carried over habits from her physical life, including pain and discomfort, but eventually transitioned and communicated with Bruce, asking him to relay messages to his family.
Bruce describes a place in the afterlife called the Health and Rejuvenation Center, part of Focus 27, where individuals can heal from the trauma and habits carried over from their physical lives. He recounts witnessing a man who had died in a fire being brought into this center. The man was offered instant healing or a slower recovery. Skeptical but curious, he chose instant healing. The room filled with unconditional love, and within seconds, the man was completely healed and standing without any scars.
Art Bell shifts the discussion to broader topics, asking Bruce about the existence of God and the devil. Bruce expresses his belief in God, describing God as a vast, encompassing presence. However, he hasn’t encountered a singular devil like Lucifer in his explorations. Instead, he has found that each hell has its own figure aspiring to be its “devil” or “satan.”
Bruce elaborates that both heavens and hells are part of the greater construct created by God. He compares God to a vast mind, with the universe and everything within it being thoughts in God’s mind. This perspective has helped him understand the complex nature of the afterlife and the roles of various entities within it.
Art then opens the discussion to the public, inviting listeners to ask Bruce questions about his experiences and insights. Before taking calls, Art allows Bruce to mention his books, specifically highlighting “Voyages into the Unknown,” the first in a series exploring the afterlife, with the latest being “Voyages into the Afterlife.”
Bruce Moen continues the story of the preacher in the “hollow heaven.” This preacher, while enforcing the rules he believed were necessary, encountered a couple who challenged his teachings using a passage from the Bible. According to them, Jesus stated that no one is given in marriage in the kingdom of heaven. Despite the couple’s insistence and love for each other, the preacher felt compelled to cast them out because they refused to conform to the rule of either getting married or living separately.
After the ceremony, where the couple seemingly disappeared, the preacher experienced a profound spiritual encounter. In his office, while praying for guidance, he was visited by a radiant figure he believed to be Jesus Christ. This figure conveyed a message of unconditional love, even for those the preacher had cast out. The preacher’s internal conflict deepened when he shared his experience with other preachers, who dismissed it as a deception by Satan, as they believed Satan couldn’t enter heaven.
This experience led the preacher to change his message, preaching about the inclusive love of Christ. This change, however, went against the established rules, and he was eventually cast out of the hollow heaven by the other preachers. Upon being cast out, he found himself in darkness, approached by the same figure who had visited him earlier. This figure explained that the preacher had been in a hollow heaven and now had choices: return to the hollow heaven (against the rules), reincarnate, or work at the House of God Center in Focus 27.
Bruce explains that Focus 27 is a significant area in the afterlife, which they had yet to discuss in detail. This area, created by Robert Monroe’s explorations, includes various centers like the Health and Rejuvenation Center and the House of God Center, where souls can heal, learn, and help others.
Bruce Moen explains Focus 27, a major area of the afterlife where people are in free association without anyone’s beliefs or will being imposed on others. In this realm, thoughts become things, and whatever one desires can be created through imagination, making it as real as physical reality. For instance, if someone imagines living in a large house overlooking the ocean, it becomes their reality in Focus 27. There’s no need to work for a living, and anything one desires, such as food or comfort, can be instantly manifested.
Art Bell comments on the physicality of this afterlife, comparing it to earthly experiences with food, drink, and even sports. Bruce confirms that the surroundings and experiences in Focus 27 are as real to its inhabitants as our physical world is to us.
The discussion then opens up to callers. The first caller, Jenny, who has attended one of Bruce’s workshops, shares her experience. Jenny was initially skeptical but decided to apply Bruce’s techniques. She imagined a park from her childhood and enhanced it with flowers and trees. During this exercise, she encountered a bright, shiny figure she intuitively recognized as her deceased mother. Despite her skepticism, she followed this figure, which led her to a familiar place resembling her grandfather’s lake home. There, she found her grandfather, who had been in a state of depression, isolated and believing himself responsible for his daughter’s (Jenny’s mother’s) problems.
Jenny’s grandfather was in a self-imposed hell, similar to what Bruce described as Focus 23. He had internalized guilt and responsibility for his daughter’s issues, leading to his isolation. Jenny sat with him and began the process of helping him understand and move past his self-imposed punishment.
Jenny continues to share her retrieval experience with her grandfather. She explains that after the initial contact, she went back to visit him the next day. Despite her apprehension, she shared her beliefs about reincarnation and the possibility of living many lives. Her grandfather, who had always been nonreligious and refused to attend church, listened intently. He then revealed something surprising: “The Masons believe in reincarnation too.” This revelation shocked Jenny, as she had no prior knowledge of his association with the Masons or their beliefs.
Her grandfather’s openness to the idea of reincarnation indicated his willingness to move on. As they were about to leave, Jenny’s mother and another helper arrived to escort him. This encounter profoundly affected Jenny, who ran to the computer to verify the information about the Masons. She confirmed that they accept members of various religious beliefs, including Wicca. She then contacted her aunt, her grandfather’s only surviving child, who confirmed that he had indeed been a Mason. This knowledge had been kept from the grandchildren due to its perceived conflict with Christian beliefs.
This verification profoundly impacted Jenny, affirming the authenticity of her experience. Bruce Moen emphasizes that while his seminars provide detailed guidance, Jenny’s experience demonstrates that individuals can achieve verification of afterlife contacts even without extensive training. However, he notes that there are many concepts and ideas to understand, and attending a seminar can provide a more comprehensive framework for these experiences.
Bruce Moen continues discussing the nature of beliefs and perceptions in the nonphysical reality of the afterlife, explaining that inaccuracies can arise based on individual beliefs. He emphasizes that while people can use his methods to explore the afterlife, there’s more to learn and understand, which is why he conducts seminars worldwide.
Art Bell and Bruce then take calls from listeners. One caller asks how relationships play out in the afterlife when someone has had multiple spouses they deeply loved. Bruce suggests that in the afterlife, all parties can coexist harmoniously without the constraints of earthly beliefs about exclusive love. In Focus 27, no one forces their will or beliefs on others, allowing individuals to find a way to exist beneficially for all involved.
Another caller shares an experience of visiting Dr. Mudd’s cell in the Dry Tortugas. Dr. Mudd was imprisoned for treating John Wilkes Booth after he assassinated Abraham Lincoln. The caller recounts smelling strong women’s perfume in the cell, which later disappeared, and experiencing a peaceful feeling in the second room of the cell. They later learned that Dr. Mudd’s wife had visited him there, which might explain the presence of the perfume.
Art comments on the possibility of contacting the dead and how it can be done. Bruce confirms that while his seminars offer comprehensive guidance, listeners can still attempt these explorations on their own with some success. He emphasizes the importance of understanding various concepts and beliefs that influence perceptions in the afterlife.
Bruce Moen addresses the idea that people can get stuck in places of significant importance from their physical lives. He notes that during his seminars, a significant portion of attendees are interested in communicating with the dead. However, he estimates that only about 10% of the general population listening to the show might be willing to attempt such contact.
A caller from Tucson, Arizona, asks if Bruce can reach relatives of people on the phone with him. Bruce clarifies that he is not a medium like John Edward but rather teaches others how to make these contacts themselves. Another caller, Linda from Scottsdale, inquires about non-human beings that Bruce has encountered. Bruce explains that in his third book, “Voyages into the Afterlife,” he discusses a group of beings he calls the “second Earth group.” These beings claimed to live on a physical planet within our universe and were observing Earth’s changes.
Bruce describes this group as a telepathic race with a hive mentality, sharing a single collective mind. Their existence required extreme cooperation, as any individual expression could disturb their shared consciousness. This concept expands on the idea of telepathic communication beyond what humans typically understand.
Bruce Moen concludes his segment with Art Bell, who expresses his appreciation for Bruce’s work and mentions that they will likely have him back on the show. The show then transitions to another guest, Steven Quayle, who discusses the potential for nuclear war and survival strategies.
Steven Quayle’s discussion revolves around the danger and implications of a potential nuclear conflict, particularly between India and Pakistan. He explains that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not sufficient lessons for the world and that a nuclear detonation in a contemporary conflict might serve as a stark reminder of the devastation such weapons can cause. He also raises the possibility of terrorist groups obtaining nuclear weapons, posing a significant threat to global security.
The conversation touches on tools available on Steven Quayle’s website, such as nuclear war survival skills and damage maps showing the impact of nuclear blasts. These resources are meant to educate and prepare the public for potential nuclear threats. Quayle emphasizes the importance of understanding fallout patterns and survival strategies in the event of a nuclear explosion.
The discussion continues with the potential geopolitical fallout of a nuclear conflict, suggesting that such an event could lead to calls for a world government and global police force to prevent future nuclear wars. Steven Quayle expresses concerns about the control of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, especially with the influence of terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and the Taliban, which complicates the security situation in the region.
Steven Quayle continues the discussion about the potential for nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan, emphasizing the high likelihood of a provocative incident escalating into war. He estimates an 80% chance of conflict between these two nations. Quayle notes that while Pakistan claims to be stopping extremist infiltrations, India disputes this, and there is skepticism about Pakistan’s assertions.
Art Bell brings up the idea that the U.S. might have the technology to intercept missiles during their launch phase, which could prevent a nuclear war. Quayle agrees but points out the challenges, such as low-technology delivery systems and the difficulty of targeting all potential launch sites. He mentions that Pakistan would likely use aircraft like F-16s and various delivery methods for their nuclear weapons, complicating interception efforts.
Quayle discusses the broader implications of a nuclear conflict, including the involvement of major powers like Russia and China. Russia supports India, while China backs Pakistan, creating a complex geopolitical dynamic. He suggests that such a conflict could be used as a “guinea pig” scenario to push for global governance and prevent future wars.
The conversation turns to the readiness conditions of China, Russia, and the U.S. in the event of an India-Pakistan conflict. Quayle notes that Russia has pledged uninterrupted arms supplies to India, while China has a mutual defense pact with Pakistan. This could potentially escalate the situation, involving these major powers directly.
Quayle expresses concern about the clustering of significant military and geopolitical events, likening it to a reactor reaching critical mass. He highlights the simultaneous military activities and war games by China and other nations, suggesting a heightened risk of broader conflict.
The discussion underscores the gravity of the current geopolitical landscape and the potential for a catastrophic escalation if tensions between India and Pakistan lead to a nuclear exchange. Quayle advises listeners to prepare and stay informed, mentioning resources like “Nuclear War Survival Skills” by Cresson Kearny.
Steven Quayle concludes his discussion with Art Bell, emphasizing the dire potential of a nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan. He predicts that India would likely initiate the conventional aspect of the war, while Pakistan would escalate it to a nuclear exchange. The involvement of terrorists could also spark the conflict, adding another layer of unpredictability. Quayle references ancient Indian texts, such as the Mahabharata, which some believe describe ancient nuclear warfare, suggesting a historical precedent for the current tensions.
Quayle criticizes the reliability of mainstream news, suggesting that real insights often come from non-Western sources like Hindustan Times and Pakistan’s English-language outlets. He emphasizes the importance of being informed by reliable sources, given the frequent failures of the American intelligence community.
Art Bell ends the segment with a somber reflection on the possibility of a nuclear war and its global implications. He then transitions back to the topic of the afterlife, preparing to reintroduce Bruce Moen for further discussion on the exploration of the afterlife and proof of its existence.
Art Bell begins by clearing up a previous statement, clarifying that it was Ed Dames, not Richard Hoagland, who claimed the ability to stop a nuclear war between India and Pakistan during the launch phase. He then shares his own experience during the Cuban Missile Crisis, highlighting the intense political situation and the very real threat of nuclear war with the Soviet Union, comparing it to the current tensions between India and Pakistan.
Art introduces Bruce Moen, describing him as an ordinary person with an intense curiosity about the afterlife. Despite not having a near-death experience or special psychic abilities, Bruce’s curiosity led him to explore the afterlife. He began this journey by learning techniques from the Monroe Institute’s Lifeline program in 1992. Over three and a half years, he used these techniques to gather evidence, initially doubting its authenticity. However, a verifiable contact with a deceased friend’s father convinced him of the afterlife’s reality.
Since then, Bruce has developed simple techniques and exercises to help others explore the afterlife. He teaches these in a two-day workshop, enabling people to prove the afterlife’s existence through their own direct experiences. Art promises that Bruce will guide listeners through some of these techniques during the show.
Bruce Moen begins his segment with Art Bell, discussing his interest in the afterlife and how it originated in childhood. As a young boy, Bruce pondered three major questions: “Where was I before I was here?” “What am I supposed to do while I’m here?” and “Where do I go when I leave here?” These questions led him on a lifelong quest for answers, particularly focusing on the concept of reincarnation, which he encountered in his twenties and accepted as part of his truth.
Bruce explains that his explorations into the afterlife, particularly through techniques learned at the Monroe Institute, have further solidified his belief in reincarnation. He shares that his purpose in life, which he discovered through his afterlife explorations, is centered on learning to experience and express unconditional love. This notion, he believes, is the primary purpose of human existence.
Art challenges Bruce’s concept of unconditional love by bringing up extreme scenarios, such as the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks. Bruce acknowledges the difficulty of practicing unconditional love in such cases and admits that he has not yet learned to love unconditionally. The conversation highlights the complexity and aspirational nature of unconditional love.
Art and Bruce agree that while the idea of unconditional love is a noble goal, it is not easy to achieve, especially in the face of extreme acts of violence and hatred. Bruce’s honesty about his own struggles with this concept adds a layer of authenticity to the discussion, emphasizing that the journey towards unconditional love is a challenging but worthwhile endeavor.
Bruce Moen shares his journey from being a critical-minded engineer to becoming someone who explores and believes in the afterlife. He explains that his scientific background led him to seek hard, verifiable evidence of the afterlife, which he aimed to achieve through the Monroe Institute’s Lifeline program. This program teaches techniques for communicating with deceased individuals who may be “stuck” and need assistance moving to a better place.
Art Bell inquires about Bruce’s conviction in the afterlife. Bruce confirms that he is certain of its existence, despite not being religious or affiliated with any organized religion. His approach to exploring the afterlife was methodical, gathering information from deceased individuals that could be verified by people who knew them when they were alive. This process helped Bruce to obtain strong, repetitive, and overwhelming evidence of the afterlife.
Bruce describes the concept of being “stuck” in the afterlife, which can happen due to various circumstances of death. For instance, people who die suddenly and unexpectedly may not realize they are dead and continue to exist in a confused state. He shares an example from a workshop where a participant communicated with a woman who was hit by a car while waiting for a bus. This woman, unaware of her death, continued to interact with her environment as if she were still alive.
Bruce explains that the Lifeline program at the Monroe Institute teaches people how to contact and assist these “stuck” souls, helping them transition to a better place. This process, known as retrieval, is akin to using training wheels while learning to explore the afterlife. Bruce emphasizes that it is also possible to communicate with those who are not stuck but have already moved on to other realms of the afterlife.
Bruce Moen shares more about his experiences in the afterlife exploration. He recounts how a workshop participant communicated with a woman who had been killed instantly by a car while waiting for a bus. The woman, unaware of her death, continued to exist in a state where she was alone and waiting for the bus, unable to interact with the living.
Art Bell probes deeper into Bruce’s methods, asking how one could verify such an experience. Bruce admits that in the workshop participant’s case, there was no verification. However, he provides examples from his own experiences where information gathered during afterlife communications was verified by living individuals.
One example involved checking on a friend’s deceased grandmother. Bruce described seeing the grandmother sitting confused in a kitchen chair, which matched the description of her Alzheimer’s condition. During the interaction, the grandmother recognized a non-physical person named Maggie, who turned out to be her mother, providing a piece of verifiable evidence.
Another instance involved checking on a friend’s father who had been hit by a truck. Bruce made contact with the deceased man and described seeing a woman in her 30s with him, who was his mother. This information, along with other details, was verified by the friend, further convincing Bruce of the afterlife’s reality.
Bruce Moen continues discussing his techniques for communicating with the deceased, sharing more verifiable experiences and explaining how anyone can attempt this process. He recounts another significant verification where he communicated with a friend’s father who had been hit by a truck. During this contact, the father insisted on the word “punky,” which Bruce initially misunderstood as “funky.” This turned out to be a reference to the man’s dog, Punky, whom he had repeatedly asked his daughter to take care of while he was in the hospital. Bruce had no prior knowledge of the dog, providing strong evidence of genuine communication.
Art Bell asks Bruce to simplify and explain the techniques used to communicate with the dead. Bruce emphasizes that the most crucial aspect is using imagination as a means of perceiving. He suggests starting with a state of relaxation, often achieved through simple breathing techniques. Then, one should create a detailed imaginary scene where they intend to meet and converse with the deceased.
For instance, if someone wanted to communicate with a grandfather they never met, they should imagine a specific setting, like sitting on a back porch on a hot day, sharing a cold beer. The initial conversation would be entirely fabricated, but the goal is to continue until something unexpected happens—something that the person did not intentionally imagine.
Art raises the concern that inviting the dead for a conversation could potentially open a door to unwanted entities. Bruce acknowledges this risk and shares that he has encountered nonphysical beings he would avoid in real life. However, he teaches a technique that uses the power of love to address fear-based encounters. He suggests that projecting love can either dissolve self-created fears or reveal the true nature of any real threats.
Bruce Moen elaborates on the potential dangers and safeguards when communicating with the deceased. He explains that fear can sometimes manifest as perceived entities, which are either a person’s own fears taking form or masks over something real. Using the law of love and fear, Bruce suggests that projecting love towards anything causing fear will either dissolve the fear if it’s self-created or reveal the true nature of the entity if it’s real.
Bruce acknowledges that opening a door to the afterlife can bring unexpected experiences and advises caution. He mentions working with people who hear voices, often perceived as demons, suggesting they might be experiencing something similar to his explorations. He advises people to proceed with caution, acknowledging that those who are not prepared might end up in difficult situations.
Art Bell expresses a personal reluctance to communicate with the dead, highlighting the challenge of dealing with the living. Bruce agrees, emphasizing that beliefs can significantly influence nonphysical experiences and that someone convinced of demons may encounter them. He reassures that not everyone gets stuck in the afterlife and explores where people go if they don’t get stuck.
Bruce describes three specific areas in the afterlife based on Robert Monroe’s labels from out-of-body explorations:
- Focus 23: An area for people who are stuck, often due to their expectations, beliefs, or the circumstances of their death. These individuals are isolated in self-created realities, akin to being trapped in their own dreams.
- Belief System Territories: Realities created by group beliefs, such as Catholic or Lutheran afterlives. These are areas shaped by the collective beliefs of their followers.
- Another area to be described later.
Bruce emphasizes that in the natural process of dying, most people do not get stuck and move on to these areas based on their beliefs and expectations.
Art Bell and Bruce Moen continue discussing the nature of the afterlife and the different places where people might go after death, depending on their beliefs and expectations. Bruce explains that one major area is the “belief system territories,” where individuals are drawn to realities that match their beliefs. For example, good Lutherans might find themselves in a Lutheran heaven, populated exclusively by those who share similar beliefs. Conversely, those who believe they are destined for hell might find themselves in a hell created by their group’s beliefs.
Art asks about the fate of terrorists who believe they will be rewarded with 72 virgins. Bruce suggests that such individuals might end up in a belief system territory where they are surrounded by others with similar beliefs and behaviors. This could result in a reality more akin to hell, where they continuously perpetrate acts of terrorism on each other, rather than finding the rewards they expected.
Bruce also mentions “Thief’s Hell,” a place populated entirely by thieves. This concept is explored further in his book, describing a reality where the inhabitants are trapped in a cycle of theft and deceit, illustrating how the afterlife can reflect one’s earthly behaviors and beliefs.
Art recaps Bruce’s technique for communicating with the dead, emphasizing the importance of relaxation and using imagination to create a detailed setting for the conversation. He cautions listeners about the potential consequences of opening a door to the afterlife, as one can never be certain who or what might come through.
Bruce Moen describes a vivid account of “Thief’s Hell,” a place populated entirely by thieves who spend their existence stealing from and being stolen from by others. He recounts an interview with a deceased man who had been in Thief’s Hell and managed to escape. The man described arriving in a reality that seemed as real as the physical world, resembling an inner city. There, he engaged in constant theft and formed a partnership with a woman, running cons together.
Bruce explains that belief systems play a crucial role in shaping afterlife experiences. This man eventually began to see the futility of his existence in Thief’s Hell. One night, a master thief knocked on his door, running a con called “Innocent Sucker.” The man recognized the con and decided to run a counter-con. However, when the time came to act, he realized the futility of it all and chose not to go through with the con. Instead, he revealed his most precious item and allowed the thief to take it.
At that moment, he felt like he was “spit out” of Thief’s Hell and found himself floating in darkness, approaching a light. The light turned out to be the helper who had monitored his activities. The helper explained that the man’s changing beliefs had caused him to be released from Thief’s Hell. The man was then offered choices: return to Thief’s Hell, reincarnate into physical reality, or work at a place called the Rehabilitation Center in Focus 27.
Bruce emphasizes that belief systems can create various heavens and hells in the afterlife, shaped by the collective beliefs of those who hold them. People can end up in these realities based on their beliefs and actions during their lives. He also mentions that while some hells might seem eternal, most people eventually change their beliefs and move on to other experiences.
Bruce Moen continues explaining the nature of different afterlife realms, specifically addressing the possibility of falling from a “heaven” or being cast out. He recounts an exploration where he communicated with a man who described being in a “hollow heaven.” This man was a minister in a small fundamentalist Christian circle, and his version of heaven required continued obedience to all earthly rules, including going to church on the Sabbath.
The minister encountered a problem with a couple in his congregation who lived together without being married, violating the rules. Despite counseling them, they refused to separate or marry, forcing him to perform a ritual to cast them into “outer darkness.” This demonstrated that even in his version of heaven, it was possible to be expelled for breaking the rules.
Art Bell finds this concept fascinating and asks if it’s possible to fall from heaven. Bruce affirms that it is, sharing how this minister eventually realized the limitations of his “hollow heaven.” He began questioning the rigid rules and the authenticity of his experiences. This process led him to understand that his beliefs were confining him to a limited version of heaven.
Bruce emphasizes that while most people believe hell is eternal and that someone else sends them there as punishment, his explorations suggest that it’s more about one’s beliefs and lifestyle drawing them to a place resonating with those. Conversely, people in heaven-like realms can also face changes based on their evolving beliefs and understandings.
Bruce Moen and Art Bell continue their discussion about the afterlife, addressing where different types of individuals might end up based on their beliefs. Bruce suggests that atheists, who believe there is nothing after death, might find themselves in a state of isolation, similar to Focus 23. This would be a place of utter loneliness and darkness, which would be a surprising experience for someone expecting non-existence.
Bruce emphasizes the role of the retrieval process, where someone trained in this art can help guide stuck souls, including atheists, to better places in the afterlife. This process involves helping individuals accept that there are other possibilities beyond their current state.
Art asks about the existence of angels and demons, and Bruce admits he hasn’t encountered traditional demons or angels but has met beings who have never lived human lives. These encounters are intriguing, as these beings have different perspectives and knowledge.
Art brings up a common Christian belief that such encounters might be deceptive, with demons pretending to be deceased individuals to trick people. Bruce acknowledges this belief but counters with his own experiences, where he received verifiable information from the deceased that he couldn’t have known otherwise. He uses Occam’s razor to argue that the simplest explanation is often the correct one.
Bruce shares a story from his workshop, where a woman who believed in demons encountered them every time she tried to sleep. Using an exercise that involved projecting love, she visualized a squirt gun connected to her heart and “squirted” the demons with love, causing them to disappear. This exercise highlights the power of love to overcome fear-based entities.
Bruce concludes by stating that he is not trying to change anyone’s beliefs but rather sharing his experiences and findings.
Bruce Moen continues his conversation with Art Bell, discussing the increasing interactions between the living and the dead and whether this is a natural progression of human evolution. Bruce suggests that for the last ten years, the physical world has been passing through a beam of unconditional love energy from somewhere in the universe. This energy has been opening people’s awareness and contributing to the thinning of the veil between the living and the afterlife.
Art mentions that all forms of the supernatural seem to be on the rise, which aligns with Bruce’s idea that the veil is dropping. Bruce believes that this could lead humanity to a new form of existence where barriers between different states of being are dissolved. However, Art points out the contrasting possibility of global destruction through nuclear conflict, given the current geopolitical tensions.
Bruce expresses hope that humanity will embrace unconditional love and recognize that we are all part of the same species, making acts like nuclear warfare counterproductive. Art, skeptical but hopeful, acknowledges that while betting on love can sometimes be a losing game, it is a noble pursuit.
The discussion then shifts to the nature of the soul. Bruce explains that each individual is an expression of a larger being, which he refers to as the greater or higher self. This larger self encompasses the individual and continues to exist beyond physical death. Bruce shares that he has communicated with Robert Monroe, the founder of the Monroe Institute, both during Monroe’s life and after his death. He suggests that Monroe remains active and interested in afterlife exploration.
Art asks if there are individuals in the afterlife who cannot be contacted. Bruce confirms that this can happen, sometimes temporarily. He recounts an experience with his mother, who was unreachable for a week after her death because she was undergoing a process in the afterlife.
Bruce Moen continues his explanation about the transition to the afterlife, sharing more about the temporary conditions that newly deceased individuals might experience. He describes how his mother, after her death, was initially unreachable because she was undergoing a process of unlearning physical habits, such as disease and discomfort. A week later, she was able to communicate with Bruce, providing messages for his family.
Bruce introduces Focus 27, a place in the afterlife with a Health and Rejuvenation Center where individuals who carry the habits of their physical life, like illness or pain, are assisted in healing. He recounts an exploration where he observed a man who had died in a fire being brought into this center. The man was given the choice to be healed instantly or over time. Skeptical but curious, he chose instant healing. The room filled with unconditional love, and within seconds, the man was completely healed, standing scar-free before the doctor.
Art Bell then poses a broader question about the existence of God and the devil. Bruce affirms his belief in God, describing God as a vast, encompassing presence. However, he has not encountered a singular devil like Lucifer in his explorations. Instead, each hell seems to have its own figure aspiring to be the “devil” or “satan.” Bruce suggests that both heavens and hells are part of the greater construct created by God.
As they prepare to take calls from listeners, Art summarizes that Bruce’s experiences suggest a multifaceted afterlife shaped by individual and collective beliefs. Bruce confirms that he is ready to answer questions from the public, eager to share his insights and findings.
Bruce Moen continues sharing the story of the preacher who was in a “hollow heaven.” The preacher, who had been strict about following religious rules, particularly struggled with a couple in his congregation who lived together without being married. They repeatedly cited a Bible passage where Jesus said that in the afterlife, no one is taken or given in marriage. Despite their reasoning, the preacher felt compelled to follow his rules and decided to cast them out.
One Sabbath, he confronted the couple in front of the congregation, giving them an ultimatum to get married or live separately, or face being cast out. The couple chose to uphold their love and the words of Jesus, accepting their fate. The preacher performed the casting out ceremony, and the couple disappeared. This deeply troubled the preacher, who then prayed for guidance and was visited by a bright figure he believed to be Jesus Christ. Jesus told him that the love of Christ is for all, even those he had cast out.
The preacher’s encounter with Jesus deeply conflicted him, especially when other preachers dismissed it as a deception by Satan. They argued that Satan could never enter heaven, contradicting the preacher’s experience. This led him to question everything he had taught. Eventually, he began preaching the inclusive love of Christ, which led to his own expulsion from heaven by other preachers for violating their rules.
After being cast out, he found himself in darkness, where he was again approached by the figure of Jesus. This profound encounter shifted his beliefs and led him to a deeper understanding of unconditional love, beyond the rigid rules he had once enforced.
Bruce emphasizes that these experiences demonstrate the complex and dynamic nature of the afterlife, shaped significantly by individual and collective beliefs. He highlights how even in the afterlife, evolving understanding and acceptance of love can lead to profound changes in one’s experience.
Bruce Moen continues explaining Focus 27, an area of the afterlife where individuals can exist in free association without anyone’s beliefs or will being imposed on others. In Focus 27, thoughts are things, and anything a person desires can be created by imagining it. This place allows for an experience that is as real to its inhabitants as the physical world is to us. Art Bell comments on the physicality of this afterlife, where people can enjoy food, drinks, and other physical pleasures just by imagining them.
Art then opens the discussion to callers. The first caller, Jenny, shares her experience of attending Bruce’s workshop. Initially skeptical, she decided to apply the simple techniques she learned. Jenny describes creating a park from her childhood using her imagination and having a surprising encounter with a bright, shiny figure she recognized as her deceased mother. Although she initially thought she was making it up, she decided to go along with the experience.
Following her mother, Jenny found herself in a place resembling her grandfather’s lake home. She discovered her grandfather, who had been in a state of depression since his death, feeling responsible for his daughter’s (Jenny’s mother’s) problems. This revelation came through a combination of emotional intuition and the scenario unfolding in her mind’s eye.
Bruce emphasizes that these experiences can start as imaginary but often lead to unexpected events that the person did not consciously create, indicating genuine communication with the afterlife. Jenny’s story exemplifies this, as she moved from skepticism to a profound and emotionally significant experience.
Jenny continues her story, explaining how she went back to see her grandfather the next day. Despite feeling apprehensive, she shared her beliefs about reincarnation and assured him he didn’t need to stay in isolation. Her grandfather, who had always been nonreligious, listened intently. He then revealed something surprising: “The Masons believe in reincarnation too.” This shocked Jenny, as she hadn’t known about his involvement with the Masons or their beliefs.
Her grandfather’s openness indicated his willingness to move on. As they were about to leave, Jenny’s mother and another helper arrived to escort him. This experience profoundly affected Jenny, who verified her grandfather’s Masonic membership with her aunt. Her aunt confirmed it, explaining that their grandmother had kept this from the grandchildren due to its perceived conflict with Christian beliefs.
This verification reinforced Jenny’s belief in the reality of her experience. Bruce Moen emphasizes that while attending his seminars provides detailed guidance, Jenny’s story demonstrates that individuals can achieve verification of afterlife contacts even without extensive training.
Art Bell praises Jenny for sharing her story and assures listeners that while Bruce’s seminars offer more comprehensive guidance, the basic techniques discussed can also yield significant results.
Bruce Moen explains that while Jenny’s verification of her afterlife contact was immediate, there are many more nuances to understanding and perceiving the nonphysical reality. He highlights that our beliefs significantly influence what we perceive in the afterlife. He shares that in his two-day seminars, he covers various concepts and ideas that help participants understand and navigate the afterlife more accurately.
Bruce describes how his workshops are often hosted by volunteers who manage the logistics, allowing him to conduct seminars across the United States and internationally, including Australia, Korea, Ireland, and Germany. He recounts the challenge of conducting a workshop in Korea with a translator, where despite the language barrier, participants had significant experiences.
A caller asks Bruce how relationships play out in the afterlife when someone has had multiple deeply loving marriages. Bruce suggests that in the afterlife, such relationships can coexist harmoniously, as the concept of only loving one person is a physical-world belief. In Focus 27, where no one’s will is imposed on another, individuals can exist in a way that is beneficial for all involved, potentially forming communal-like relationships.
Another caller shares an experience of visiting Dr. Mudd’s cell in the Dry Tortugas, where they encountered a strong scent of women’s perfume in one room, which vanished upon returning, despite the room temperature remaining the same. This unexpected and unexplainable experience left a strong impression on the caller, highlighting their belief in life after death.
Bruce reiterates that these types of experiences, where something unexpected happens beyond one’s imagination, often serve as validation for the reality of afterlife contacts.
A caller shares an experience involving Dr. Mudd’s cell in the Dry Tortugas, where he encountered a strong scent of women’s perfume in one room, which later disappeared. The caller later learned that Dr. Mudd’s wife had met him at that cell after obtaining a presidential pardon for him. Bruce Moen suggests that people who are stuck in the afterlife often remain in places of great significance from their lives.
Bruce discusses the demographics of his seminars, noting that a disproportionate number of attendees are interested in communicating with the dead. He estimates that about 10% of the general population might be willing to attempt afterlife communication, while the rest are either uninterested or cautious.
A caller from Tucson, Arizona, asks if Bruce can reach relatives of people on the phone. Bruce clarifies that he is not a medium like John Edward; instead, he teaches others how to make these contacts themselves.
Another caller from Scottsdale, Arizona, inquires about non-human beings Bruce has encountered. Bruce describes a group of beings from his third book, “Voyages into the Afterlife,” known as the second Earth group. These beings claimed to live on a physical planet within our universe and were observing Earth changes. They had a hive mentality, sharing a collective mind, which required extreme cooperation and suppression of individual thoughts to maintain harmony.
Art Bell wraps up his conversation with Bruce Moen, thanking him for sharing his fascinating and somewhat controversial experiences and insights into the afterlife. Art acknowledges the potential dangers but compares Bruce’s explorations to Columbus’ risky voyages, emphasizing the importance of venturing into the unknown. Bruce’s email address is provided again for those interested in learning more or contacting him directly.
Art promises to have Bruce back on the program in the future and bids him goodnight, reflecting on the unique nature of the show. He closes the program, noting that there is no other show like Coast to Coast AM, and thanks his audience for joining him.
The discussion concludes, and Art signs off from the high desert.