1997-07-14 – Richard C. Hoagland – Live from the Phoenix Connection Seminar

Show: Coast To Coast AM

Air Date: July 14, 1997

Guest(s): Richard C. Hoagland

Topic(s): Live from the Phoenix Connection Seminar

Art greets listeners across various time zones from the American Southwest. The show features a live broadcast from the Civic Plaza Ballroom in Phoenix, Arizona, with a special split-screen operation allowing listeners to see both the Phoenix event and Art’s Nevada studio. The evening includes discussions about new crop circles, a grand experiment in technology, and a live connection with guests Linda Moulton Howe and Doug Ruby. Richard Hoagland joins the show from Phoenix, speaking to a live audience about their 15-year investigation into a mystery on another world, involving hyperdimensional geometry and connections to ancient Egypt and NASA missions. Richard introduces Kinsey, the art director of the Enterprise Mission, who discusses her work sculpting 3D renderings of Mars’ face and its connection to the Sphinx in Egypt.

Kinsey describes her artistic journey of recreating the face on Mars over 14 years, emphasizing the challenge of adhering to data rather than artistic freedom. She recounts the process of simulating sun angles and repeatedly sculpting the face to match the data. Kinsey’s work was validated by Dr. Marc Parlato’s imaging techniques, which confirmed the face’s profile and shapes. She also shares a project with Jim Grassroots to honor researchers like Richard Hoagland by creating a commemorative Mars tetrahedron. Art praises Richard for his contributions and discusses the Pathfinder mission’s landing spot, noting the presence of red rocks similar to Earth’s. They engage the audience for comments, and a comparison is made between the red rocks of Sedona, Arizona, and Mars. Richard expresses disappointment that the Pathfinder mission did not land in the more intriguing area of Cydonia, which might have revealed more significant findings. He criticizes the mission’s planning and the missed opportunity to discover evidence of life on Mars.

Richard explains that he predicted the Pathfinder spacecraft might disappear en route to Mars and reappear, landing in accordance with an ancient Masonic pattern. This did not occur, leading to some disappointment. Despite the initial letdown, he analyzes the mission’s landing site at 19.5 degrees in Cydonia, highlighting suspiciously Earth-like rocks. Richard introduces the idea of a hidden agenda influenced by Masonic traditions, noting the significant date of July 4th, 1776, when a branch of the Masons, the Illuminati, was formed. He provides historical context from an ancient journal of Freemasonry, connecting the term “sojourner” to significant roles in restoring Israelites to Jerusalem. The show then reconnects with presenters who discuss new information on the Phoenix Lights and the alignment of flight paths with the Masonic pattern. Frances Barwin summarizes recent events related to the Phoenix Lights, providing insight into their trajectory and potential significance.

Frances Barwin recounts the aftermath of the Phoenix Lights sighting on March 13th, detailing how she was approached by TV crews in May, who revealed that no official investigation was being conducted. During a policy session, she raised the issue, only to be met with silence and warnings that she was opening “Pandora’s box.” The city’s reluctance to address the incident and the dismissive statement from the mayor’s office spurred Frances to demand answers, emphasizing the importance of transparency and accountability in leadership. She received a sarcastic letter from the mayor’s assistant, reflecting the overall dismissive attitude towards the incident. The Phoenix Lights continued to generate public interest and concern, with numerous calls from citizens seeking explanations. Despite the city’s claims of receiving minimal reports, media coverage indicated otherwise, highlighting the discrepancy between official statements and public perception.

Frances recounts how she was ridiculed by local officials and the media for her inquiries about the Phoenix Lights, including being dubbed as someone from the “planet Xenon.” She describes writing to Senator McCain requesting an investigation, but his responses and subsequent actions did not address the actual sightings over Phoenix. Instead, there were dismissive references to lights on South Mountain. The city officials, including the mayor, continued to trivialize the situation, even distributing business cards mocking her. Despite the backlash, Frances emphasizes the importance of seeking truth and not being intimidated by political consequences. Art supports her stance and appreciates her dedication to transparency.

Richard then introduces Ken Johnston, a former NASA astronaut and 32nd-degree Mason, and Vance Davis, a former NSA analyst, who discuss the Masonic influences in Phoenix’s history and their connection to the evening’s topics. They highlight new archaeological findings and the historical significance of Phoenix as a special site, suggesting deeper connections that date back to ancient Egypt.

Richard explains that the ancient Hohokam Indians and previous civilizations in the Valley of the Sun used the phoenix bird as a symbol of rebirth, similar to the ancient Egyptians. He connects the Phoenix Lights sighting on March 13th to a pattern involving key stars, including a spacecraft on Mars at 19.5 degrees. Richard predicts that between July 20th and 26th, a significant event linked to this pattern will occur, potentially something wonderful if the citizens of Phoenix are alert and inquisitive. Art presses Richard for more specifics, questioning whether the event might be worrisome. Richard responds that the times are interesting and notes a report of a large UFO hovering over LaGrange, Georgia, seen by thousands. He urges for video evidence and information to be shared online. Richard emphasizes the importance of viewing the upcoming event positively, suggesting it could signify a profound and karmic rebirth, akin to the phoenix rising from the ashes.

Richard and Art discuss the implications of the phoenix rising from the ashes, which suggests that before rebirth, there will be destruction. Richard emphasizes the metaphorical nature of this symbolism, comparing it to historical rebirths from previous dark ages. They talk about the possibility of discovering we are not alone in the universe, which could metaphorically throw our entire civilization into chaos, much like the phoenix’s rebirth. Art mentions the internet rumors of military movements and troops, which Richard relates to possible preparations for an extraordinary event. He draws a parallel with the movie “Close Encounters,” suggesting that the latitude given in the film aligns with Cydonia on Mars, hinting at a coded message from Steven Spielberg, influenced by his friendship with Carl Sagan. Richard suggests that the military might be preparing for the unknown, indicating they have more information about potential upcoming events.

Art and Richard discuss the alignment of LaGrange, Georgia with the latitude of Phoenix, emphasizing the potential significance of such alignments. Richard encourages sending information about the large UFO sighting over LaGrange via fax to verify and discuss further. Ken Johnson then outlines the historical connections of modern masonry, tracing its roots back through American presidents, the formation of the U.S. Constitution, England, the Knights Templar, and ultimately to ancient Israel and Egypt. He highlights the preservation of Masonic knowledge through allegory and symbols, known to only a small percentage of Masons.

Vance Davis continues by tracing the history of the word “Phoenix” from Egypt through Greece, Spain, and Columbus’s discovery of America. He shares that Columbus was given a map by Queen Isabella, indicating he knew where he was headed, including the location of the seven cities of gold. Vance explains that the last command from the Spanish monarchs was to claim the land in their name. The discussion touches on Montezuma’s flight into the southwest and the discovery of the Grand Canyon by Coronado.

Vance Davis continues his discussion, mentioning that Coronado referred to the Grand Canyon as the “big ditch” and it was not included on maps until much later. He highlights the ancient city of the Hohokam, rumored to be one of the Seven Cities of Cibola, with a population of 100,000. Vance notes that the Salt River in Phoenix flows in the same direction as the Nile, suggesting a symbolic connection.

During the broadcast, a caller from Sugar Hill, Georgia, mentions that after Atlanta was burned down, it adopted the phoenix as its symbol, symbolizing rebirth. Art receives a note referencing “The Keys of Enoch,” which connects Atlanta and the phoenix to ushering in a new age. Although there are no current UFO reports from Georgia, the discussion underscores the significance of similar latitudes.

Richard briefly interrupts to address the technical issues on the web servers due to high traffic and then passes the conversation back to Vance, who explains that the Hohokam people, like the Anasazi, mysteriously left their cities around 1400 AD. He draws parallels between the Hohokam’s city layout and the Giza Plateau, suggesting symbolic representations of the Milky Way.

Finally, Vance introduces Larry Hunter, an experienced navigator and researcher, who has been studying the connections between Phoenix and ancient Egyptian symbols. Larry’s findings will be shared live on the internet and over the airwaves, reinforcing the idea of Phoenix as a significant symbol in both ancient and modern contexts.

Larry Hunter discusses his work in Egypt, focusing on astroarchaeology, which combines astronomy and archaeology to understand ancient sites. He explains how he used GPS technology to survey the Great Pyramid, emphasizing the accuracy and ease of modern tools. Larry reveals that his findings suggest that the layout of the stars in the Orion constellation correlates with the positioning of the pyramids, indicating an ancient understanding of the stars. This discovery challenges orthodox Egyptology, which does not recognize these patterns.

Richard supports Larry’s findings, noting that the patterns Larry identified are much older than those suggested by Robert Bauval, who linked the pyramids to the three belt stars of Orion. Richard suggests that the ancient Egyptians were modeling a version of Orion that existed possibly a million or more years ago, implying a much deeper historical significance.

Art, seeking clarification, asks for a more straightforward explanation. Richard reiterates that traditional Egyptology might not be entirely truthful and that Larry’s work provides new evidence that challenges established historical narratives. The discussion highlights the need to reassess what is known about ancient Egyptian civilization based on new technological insights and astroarchaeological evidence.

Larry Hunter elaborates on his findings in Egypt, highlighting discrepancies in the work of other researchers and emphasizing the significance of astroarchaeology. He mentions that his GPS-based surveys have identified precise locations corresponding to the Orion constellation, including the stars Betelgeuse, Bellatrix, and Rigel, which align with the layout of the pyramids. Larry points out that these alignments suggest an ancient understanding of celestial patterns much older than previously thought.

Richard Hoagland supports Larry’s findings, noting that the patterns identified by Larry indicate a more ancient model of Orion than what has been proposed by other researchers. This suggests that the ancient Egyptians, and possibly even older civilizations, had a profound understanding of astronomy that has not been fully acknowledged by mainstream Egyptology.

Art Bell presses for clarity, and Larry explains that his work challenges traditional Egyptology, presenting new evidence that supports a deeper historical connection to celestial patterns. Larry also describes recent activities in the Great Pyramid, including illegal digging and the installation of modern equipment, which he believes are part of a broader effort to uncover and understand these ancient secrets.

Richard and Larry suggest that these findings, combined with contemporary events such as the Phoenix Lights and activities on Mars, point to an impending significant event. They emphasize the need for people to be alert and aware, as these patterns and activities could signal a major shift or revelation in human understanding and history.

Richard and Larry explain an experiment involving a piece of rock from the Great Pyramid. Larry had sent Art a piece of limestone, and Art conducted a test with a luminous watch. After allowing the watch to dim, placing it next to the rock caused the watch to glow brightly again. This suggested the rock had unusual properties that Art couldn’t replicate with other rocks from the desert. Richard and Larry discuss the implications, suggesting the presence of unknown technology or hyperdimensional physics.

Larry describes how access to certain areas of the Great Pyramid has been restricted, but in his past visits, he experienced similar phenomena. Laying in the subterranean chamber, his watch glowed so brightly it illuminated the surroundings. This suggests the presence of energy or technology beyond current understanding.

Richard further elaborates on hyperdimensional physics and references a video shown at the event, demonstrating the reduction of radioactivity in a uranium isotope by a factor of two, an event deemed impossible by current physics. This aligns with the mysterious properties of the limestone from the Great Pyramid, indicating a need for further investigation into these phenomena.

Richard explains that the limestone being excavated from the Great Pyramid possesses remarkable properties that challenge known physics. This limestone, subjected to some unknown process, aligns with hyperdimensional physics, a concept derived from Stan Tenen’s work. Contrary to official claims that the limestone is being brought in for restoration, Richard asserts that it’s being taken out due to its unique properties.

The Great Pyramid, composed of 65 million tons of highly geometric limestone, is believed to have been built to harness hyperdimensional properties, acting as a pump, gate, or even a stargate. Richard emphasizes that the alignment of these properties with the broader cosmic patterns, particularly on July 20th, suggests a significant event is imminent. He urges listeners to stay tuned for further developments, hinting that between July 20th and 26th, something monumental, either metaphorical or real, will occur, connecting back to the pyramids of Giza.

Art summarizes the discussion, thanking Richard and everyone involved for their work, and concludes the broadcast.